News: PFT: New CBA will make it harder to hold out

[Reality]

New CBA will make it harder to hold out - ProFootballTalk

First, the daily training-camp fines would become mandatory for players operating under their second contracts. That’s a huge difference, given that most teams usually wipe the slate clean once the player reports. So when, for example, a player incurs $40,000 per day for staying away from camp for 10 days, the full $400,000 comes from his pocket, and neither he nor the team can do anything about it.

And forget about $40,000 per day. Second, the amounts of the fines would be “substantially increased.” The specific numbers aren’t yet known.

Third, the player will lose an accrued season toward free agency by failing to show up for camp on town (time) or by leaving camp for more than five days. This would supersede the rule that removes an accrued year only if the player fails to report within 30 days before the first game of the regular season.


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[Reality]

After reading this article, this is likely one of the main reasons many of the higher tier paid players are coming out publicly against the CBA.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

After reading this article, this is likely one of the main reasons many of the higher tier paid players are coming out publicly against the CBA.

I would not doubt it at all. This has been a tool that many agents have utilized and that's likely a big issue for them. I've no doubt that all of them are speaking to their client base over this and making their opinions know.

 

[Corso]

The Zeke Rule

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The Zeke Rule

Pretty much.... He too should have a T-Shirt and it should read, "In Before Threadlock!" and on the back, "I Got This T From Reality Over At The Zone!"

 

[John813]

Yea, that would end holdouts.

 

[HungryLion]

After reading this article, this is likely one of the main reasons many of the higher tier paid players are coming out publicly against the CBA.

I find it interesting that the union would allow this in the CBA.

Has there been any word on how rookie contracts are affected as far as their value? Or any change to the tags?

I heard but am unsure, that the 5th year option is getting more expensive. Which would alleviate players on their rookie deal from wanting to hold out.

Are rookie in general going to see more on their rookie deals, so they won’t have as much desire/need to possibly hold out?

 

[CouchCoach]

The owners are using this opportunity with a proposed player percentage increase to bring the clamps down and the majority of the player base is still in first contracts. They're playing the %'s to the majority and I will be surprised now if it doesn't work. I've 180'd on this and given the lack of leverage the players have and the "take it or leave it" approach the NFL is taking and if I am a player rep, I'd be thinking about the fact not all of the owners were in favor of this, which could be an effective ploy, and assume they thought this was too good for the players.

I think the other reason the owners have taken this approach is to get this put to bed and go hunting TV. They gave up a couple of points, they're out to get them back from the Golden Geese.

 

[BatteryPowered]

The Zeke Rule

Actually...no. The OP said it would apply to players operating under their second contracts...Zeke was still on his first contract. May make it easier to get Dak to agree to a longer contract term since the holdout tool gets taken out of his tool box.

 

[Sydla]

Lots of tradeoffs. Players probably wanted the tags to go away, so owners agree to drop one but then the payback is players now will find it expensive to hold out.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

New CBA will make it harder to hold out - ProFootballTalk

First, the daily training-camp fines would become mandatory for players operating under their second contracts. That’s a huge difference, given that most teams usually wipe the slate clean once the player reports. So when, for example, a player incurs $40,000 per day for staying away from camp for 10 days, the full $400,000 comes from his pocket, and neither he nor the team can do anything about it.

And forget about $40,000 per day. Second, the amounts of the fines would be “substantially increased.” The specific numbers aren’t yet known.

Third, the player will lose an accrued season toward free agency by failing to show up for camp on town (time) or by leaving camp for more than five days. This would supersede the rule that removes an accrued year only if the player fails to report within 30 days before the first game of the regular season.


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Good. It infuriates me when a player holds out when there's still time left on his contract. I see that as violating your word and hence dishonoring yourself, but I have old school values. I'm one of these old coots who's crazy enough to believe that your word is sacred and should never be broken.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I find it interesting that the union would allow this in the CBA.

Has there been any word on how rookie contracts are affected as far as their value? Or any change to the tags?

I heard but am unsure, that the 5th year option is getting more expensive. Which would alleviate players on their rookie deal from wanting to hold out.

Are rookie in general going to see more on their rookie deals, so they won’t have as much desire/need to possibly hold out?

I actually think the Union might not be as opposed to something like this as one might think. I mean, I doubt that the Union would want to see unsanctioned holdouts. If we are honest, this is driven more by the agent. That translates into less control by the actual Unions and I've never known a Union who liked being in a position where they didn't have control of membership.

 

[HungryLion]

I actually think the Union might not be as opposed to something like this as one might think. I mean, I doubt that the Union would want to see unsanctioned holdouts. If we are honest, this is driven more by the agent. That translates into less control by the actual Unions and I've never known a Union who liked being in a position where they didn't have control of membership.

Interesting thought. I’ve never been in a union so I honestly can’t speak to the inter union politics that I’m sure take place amongst the members.

 

[MarcusRock]

Good. It infuriates me when a player holds out when there's still time left on his contract. I see that as violating your word and hence dishonoring yourself, but I have old school values. I'm one of these old coots who's crazy enough to believe that your word is sacred and should never be broken.

Then what do you think of owners cutting a player still under contract due to enormous cap hits, etc.?

 

[BatteryPowered]

Then what do you think of owners cutting a player still under contract due to enormous cap hits, etc.?

I knew that one was coming. A professional athlete should understand (or his agent should explain to them) that their services can...and will...be terminated at any time for a multitude of reasons. That is why, even the rookie minimum, gets the NFL player more money in one year than the average person can expect to earn in a decade. For those that say, "That's not fair"...show me where is it written that life will be fair.

 

[CouchCoach]

Good. It infuriates me when a player holds out when there's still time left on his contract. I see that as violating your word and hence dishonoring yourself, but I have old school values. I'm one of these old coots who's crazy enough to believe that your word is sacred and should never be broken.

The owners don't keep contracts, why should the players?

 

[Corso]

Actually...no. The OP said it would apply to players operating under their second contracts...Zeke was still on his first contract. May make it easier to get Dak to agree to a longer contract term since the holdout tool gets taken out of his tool box.

I don't care. I'm calling it the Zeke Rule anyway.

 

[fivetwos]

Actually...no. The OP said it would apply to players operating under their second contracts...Zeke was still on his first contract. May make it easier to get Dak to agree to a longer contract term since the holdout tool gets taken out of his tool box.

Who has ever held out under a second contract? They already got paid and more often than not, are underperforming it.

Do we mean someone whose rookie contract expired and hasn't gotten a second deal yet?

Well, why exactly should that player report to work without a contract?

If we are talking about a guy in the situation of Dak, assuming they tag him, and he refuses to report or sign the tag, then ok. That must be the case. Has to be.

 

[MarcusRock]

I knew that one was coming. A professional athlete should understand (or his agent should explain to them) that their services can...and will...be terminated at any time for a multitude of reasons. That is why, even the rookie minimum, gets the NFL player more money in one year than the average person can expect to earn in a decade. For those that say, "That's not fair"...show me where is it written that life will be fair.

Well then owners "should understand" that an athlete and agent will use what bargaining means are at their disposal when they outplay a contract. If an owner doesn't have to adhere to years signed, then neither should a player. And what does what the average person make have to do with anything? Maybe the average person should apply themselves to become the best in the world at what they do if they want more money and what another makes in their particular field "offends" them. If they don't work in a field where that's possible then, as you say, "life's not fair." They just better pay their electric bills.

 

[Kingofholland]

Probably explains why the Cowboys were waiting on Dak and Cooper unless the deal the Cowboys were offering was accepted. More leverage!