Do people really believe there is a better option than Dak this year?

[Hadenough]

how did Keenum outplay dak when he was with the Vikings?

and in the end you say this is not about Keenum, yet you want keenum? but then switching this to being about Dak? Dak never had a defense like the Minn. defense neither.... I put more value to a great dominating defense than a running game...

In 2018 Denver traded away Demaryius Thomas and Emanuel Sanders ruptured his achilles. And we saw the first few games in 2017 when Dak didnt have a number one guy.
These numbers are close. You put Keenum on Dallas and he has similar production offensively. The Vikings defense wasnt throwing the football for Keenum. Neither QB is winning a SB though. They just arent good enough.

2017 Yds Comp % TDs INts
Keenum 3547 67.6 22 7
Prescott 3324 62.9 22 13

2018
Keenum 3890 62.3 18 15
Prescott 3885 67.7 22 8

 

[Super_Kazuya]

It seems pointless to be to argue with someone who claims that Keenum has "outplayed Dak" at any point in their respective careers. I went and looked up the numbers.. Keenum's best season, the one in Minnesota, would rank no better than a virtual tie for third among Dak's 4 seasons and Dak's worst season is better than all but two of Keenum's 8. Like it or not people are going to have to accept that Dak is no worse than a top 10 QB in the NFL and {my favorite journeyman} is not going to be better than him. People also need to recognize that Dak's arrow is pointed up. QBs who work as hard at it as he does continue to improve until their mid-to-late 30's. I suspect that if you give Dak a defense that can make a stop and maybe get a turnover once in a while so he is not under pressure to put up 30 points or lose we will be fine.

Keenum’s 2017 is just as good as any season Dak has had. You must not be good at either math or reading.
Also I looked up Dak’s career numbers when he wasn’t surrounded by All-Pros (Keenum has played with 0 offensive All-Pros in his career).
0 att 0 comp 0 yds 0 TDs 0 INTs
Stick that in your computer and run the analysis, genius.

 

[Rockport]

Keenum’s 2017 is just as good as any season Dak has had. You must not be good at either math or reading.
Also I looked up Dak’s career numbers when he wasn’t surrounded by All-Pros (Keenum has played with 0 offensive All-Pros in his career).
0 att 0 comp 0 yds 0 TDs 0 INTs
Stick that in your computer and run the analysis, genius.

Troll.

 

[Aviano90]

I find it very interesting anyone wants to go to bat for a scrub like Keenum, particularly ones who spent 4 years whining about a mediocre at best QB like Dak. You’d think these crybabies would have higher standards for Dak’s potential replacement. Tells you there was something about Dak personally they didn’t like, instead of his play on the field.

 

[cern]

based off his performance with the saints last year in the absence of brees, i'd prefer Bridgewater to any other names I've heard.

 

[RonnieT24]

Keenum’s 2017 is just as good as any season Dak has had. You must not be good at either math or reading.
Also I looked up Dak’s career numbers when he wasn’t surrounded by All-Pros (Keenum has played with 0 offensive All-Pros in his career).
0 att 0 comp 0 yds 0 TDs 0 INTs
Stick that in your computer and run the analysis, genius.

Be happy to.. Let's do it shall we?

In 2017 Keen threw 22 TDs.. That would tie for 3rd best for Dak..His INT percentage that year was 1.5 which would tie for 2nd best for Dak.. Keenum threw for 3547 yards that year.. That would get him no better than 4th on Dak's list. His completion percentage that year was 67.6. Again.. that would come in third behind Dak's two best years. His 98.3 passer rating would be third on Dak's list. His 74.3 QBR would be second. His 7.4 yards per attempt would again be tied with Dak's third best year. Seems like every whatever category I look at Keenum comes up short against Dak. "But he has outplayed Dak." Based on what exactly? The numbers say otherwise and they do so somewhat emphatically. Oh and I would argue that Theilen, Diggs and Rudolph are better than any combination of receivers and tight end than Dak has played with in Dallas. Finally if you need an indication of how great those "All Pros" were in Dallas without a good QB to pilot the ship.. count up all the All Pros earned in 2015.. It's the strangest thing.. guys seem to earn more accolades when the team is good and the team seems to be good when the QB is good. Who knew?

 

[garyo1954]

Troll.

Let me help you....

TRO-PHY post!

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Be happy to.. Let's do it shall we?

In 2017 Keen threw 22 TDs.. That would tie for 3rd best for Dak..His INT percentage that year was 1.5 which would tie for 2nd best for Dak.. Keenum threw for 3547 yards that year.. That would get him no better than 4th on Dak's list. His completion percentage that year was 67.6. Again.. that would come in third behind Dak's two best years. His 98.3 passer rating would be third on Dak's list. His 74.3 QBR would be second. His 7.4 yards per attempt would again be tied with Dak's third best year. Seems like every whatever category I look at Keenum comes up short against Dak. "But he has outplayed Dak." Based on what exactly? The numbers say otherwise and they do so somewhat emphatically. Oh and I would argue that Theilen, Diggs and Rudolph are better than any combination of receivers and tight end than Dak has played with in Dallas. Finally if you need an indication of how great those "All Pros" were in Dallas without a good QB to pilot the ship.. count up all the All Pros earned in 2015.. It's the strangest thing.. guys seem to earn more accolades when the team is good and the team seems to be good when the QB is good. Who knew?

Yeah your comparisons across years are bad, try again. Dak’s rating was higher last year but was only good for 10th in the league... because QB rating goes up every year. Similarly QBR is a season adjusted stat, and Dak has never finished as high in a season in QBR as Keenum did in 2017. Also Keenum only started 14 games in 2017, which suppressed his totals a bit... not that raw passing totals are any kind of indicator of quality anyway (as Dak standing around padding his stats with a 3 score lead against the Commanders while they were being eliminated from the playoffs shows). So I’ll say it again since you aren’t great with this kind of stuff, Keenum’s 2017 was as good as any season that Dak has ever had, and better when you tack on the team accomplishment of making the championship game (as opposed to the usual Dak fizzle).

 

[basel90]

so Dak lost it all by himself? not the team? not the coaches fault? its all Dak? and what about 2016, 2017, 2018?

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I agree it is not all on Dak . Jason and team are to blame indeed . Jason is gone. Most of the staff is gone . My point is that Dak was painfully not the answer . Try to show me a game where Dak saved the team with his talent .
The previous years , especially the rookie year , he was excelling for whatever group of factors . The team may have all been. Better . But we are in today and the recent two years show that Dak has trouble winning games against winning teams .

 

[RonnieT24]

Yeah your comparisons across years are bad, try again. Dak’s rating was higher last year but was only good for 10th in the league... because QB rating goes up every year. Similarly QBR is a season adjusted stat, and Dak has never finished as high in a season in QBR as Keenum did in 2017. Also Keenum only started 14 games in 2017, which suppressed his totals a bit... not that raw passing totals are any kind of indicator of quality anyway (as Dak standing around padding his stats with a 3 score lead against the Commanders while they were being eliminated from the playoffs shows). So I’ll say it again since you aren’t great with this kind of stuff, Keenum’s 2017 was as good as any season that Dak has ever had, and better when you tack on the team accomplishment of making the championship game (as opposed to the usual Dak fizzle).

You can repeat this nonsense until the Cows(boys) come home and it still won't be true. The fact that Dak has finished in the top 5 in QBR in 3 of his 4 seasons easily trumps Keenan's ONE season where he finished 2nd. You know 3 of a kind beats a single ace in just about every brand of poker I know. I know you will never accept that Keenum is a journeyman who rode a great defense to one magical season after which the team he did it with could not wait to dump him and sign KIRK FRIGGIN COUSINS!!! to replace him. Need I say more? The raw numbers say Dak is better.. the won-loss record says Dak is better.. but YOU almighty whoever you are say Keenum is better... so yeah. let's just go with that.. When you buy your team you can sign Keenum. Nobody else seems all that interested.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

You can repeat this nonsense until the Cows(boys) come home and it still won't be true. The fact that Dak has finished in the top 5 in QBR in 3 of his 4 seasons easily trumps Keenan's ONE season where he finished 2nd. You know 3 of a kind beats a single ace in just about every brand of poker I know. I know you will never accept that Keenum is a journeyman who rode a great defense to one magical season after which the team he did it with could not wait to dump him and sign KIRK FRIGGIN COUSINS!!! to replace him. Need I say more? The raw numbers say Dak is better.. the won-loss record says Dak is better.. but YOU almighty whoever you are say Keenum is better... so yeah. let's just go with that.. When you buy your team you can sign Keenum. Nobody else seems all that interested.

Because you are a clueless troll who has nothing left, you have now resorted to the same changing of the argument and logical fallacies that the other losers on here are spouting. Didn’t say anything about who has the most top QBR seasons or any of the nonsense you are trying to change to. I said Cousins best season is better than anything Dak has mustered to this point. So go ahead and live in your troll fantasy world while everybody laughs at you, because DAK FRIGGIN PRESCOTT is the poster boy for being carried by his loaded team while you make excuses why Keenum had success. You’re a complete joke.

 

[Captain-Crash]

Because you are a clueless troll who has nothing left, you have now resorted to the same changing of the argument and logical fallacies that the other losers on here are spouting. Didn’t say anything about who has the most top QBR seasons or any of the nonsense you are trying to change to. I said Cousins best season is better than anything Dak has mustered to this point. So go ahead and live in your troll fantasy world while everybody laughs at you, because DAK FRIGGIN PRESCOTT is the poster boy for being carried by his loaded team while you make excuses why Keenum had success. You’re a complete joke.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Keenum’s 2017 is just as good as any season Dak has had. You must not be good at either math or reading.
Also I looked up Dak’s career numbers when he wasn’t surrounded by All-Pros (Keenum has played with 0 offensive All-Pros in his career).
0 att 0 comp 0 yds 0 TDs 0 INTs
Stick that in your computer and run the analysis, genius.

keenum had the benefit of playing on a #1 defense, #1 scoring defense and #7 rushing attack....and he still produced average results.

Keenum has been on 6 teams and nobody wants him. his average stay anywhere is 1 year.....

and now he is being let go for a rookie QB who sucked and potentially drafting another rookie.

Keenum SUCKS. Keenum is modern day Dilfer, perhaps less since Dilfer was able to ride a good defense to a title, Keenum got blown out in NFCCG...his fantasy ride was over in 2017.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

keenum had the benefit of playing on a #1 defense, #1 scoring defense and #7 rushing attack....and he still produced average results.

Keenum has been on 6 teams and nobody wants him. his average stay anywhere is 1 year.....

and now he is being let go for a rookie QB who sucked and potentially drafting another rookie.

Keenum SUCKS. Keenum is modern day Dilfer, perhaps less since Dilfer was able to ride a good defense to a title, Keenum got blown out in NFCCG...his fantasy ride was over in 2017.

Logical fallacy after logical fallacy... somewhere whatever school system spit you out is embarrassed at this point. Do you even know what logical fallacy you are committing? 5 free likes if you can name it.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Logical fallacy after logical fallacy... somewhere whatever school system spit you out is embarrassed at this point. Do you even know what logical fallacy you are committing? 5 free likes if you can name it.

why is it a fallacy? the record speaks for itself.....his best season was 2017, doing exactly what dilfer did in his run to the championship....#1 defense, #1 scoring defense. and had #7 rushing attack to boot....its reality that you have tough time to come to grips with given your penchant not wanting to sign Dak….that's all you have argued and Keenum just popped up, otherwise, any other situation you would be going WTTF are we doing signing Keenum…..come on be honest

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Keenum’s 2017 is just as good as any season Dak has had. You must not be good at either math or reading.
Also I looked up Dak’s career numbers when he wasn’t surrounded by All-Pros (Keenum has played with 0 offensive All-Pros in his career).
0 att 0 comp 0 yds 0 TDs 0 INTs
Stick that in your computer and run the analysis, genius.

lies after lies after lies.... you all keep going back

Dak's worst season: 3324, 22, 13
Keenum's 2017 season 3547, 22, 7


Keenum's best ever season: 3890, 18, 15....that's only 18 TDs mind you
Dak in 2019: 4902, 30, 11


Keenum, kiss Dak's arse!!!

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

based off his performance with the saints last year in the absence of brees, i'd prefer Bridgewater to any other names I've heard.

at least you would have an argument.....but Keenum!! seriously.....they must be cousins or something

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Be happy to.. Let's do it shall we?

In 2017 Keen threw 22 TDs.. That would tie for 3rd best for Dak..His INT percentage that year was 1.5 which would tie for 2nd best for Dak.. Keenum threw for 3547 yards that year.. That would get him no better than 4th on Dak's list. His completion percentage that year was 67.6. Again.. that would come in third behind Dak's two best years. His 98.3 passer rating would be third on Dak's list. His 74.3 QBR would be second. His 7.4 yards per attempt would again be tied with Dak's third best year. Seems like every whatever category I look at Keenum comes up short against Dak. "But he has outplayed Dak." Based on what exactly? The numbers say otherwise and they do so somewhat emphatically. Oh and I would argue that Theilen, Diggs and Rudolph are better than any combination of receivers and tight end than Dak has played with in Dallas. Finally if you need an indication of how great those "All Pros" were in Dallas without a good QB to pilot the ship.. count up all the All Pros earned in 2015.. It's the strangest thing.. guys seem to earn more accolades when the team is good and the team seems to be good when the QB is good. Who knew?

owned!

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Yeah your comparisons across years are bad, try again. Dak’s rating was higher last year but was only good for 10th in the league... because QB rating goes up every year. Similarly QBR is a season adjusted stat, and Dak has never finished as high in a season in QBR as Keenum did in 2017. Also Keenum only started 14 games in 2017, which suppressed his totals a bit... not that raw passing totals are any kind of indicator of quality anyway (as Dak standing around padding his stats with a 3 score lead against the Commanders while they were being eliminated from the playoffs shows). So I’ll say it again since you aren’t great with this kind of stuff, Keenum’s 2017 was as good as any season that Dak has ever had, and better when you tack on the team accomplishment of making the championship game (as opposed to the usual Dak fizzle).

SMH...because QB ratings go up every year? is it like the stock market...its amazing the shiet you just make up as you go along...you must be leeblair in disguise...

Dak had a 99.7 QB rating in 2019.....oh, I forgot, he had a 104.9 rating his rookie year..


and I find it funny that you are accusing Dak to pad stats, yet looking back at Minn in 2017, didn't Keenum do the same thing? given they were in a bunch of blow out games? so when its Dak, its padding stats, in the meanwhile Keenum is put the entire Minn team on his back, on a broken leg, with one hand, 4 fingers hanging by a skin and lead them to victory!!! is that it?

 

[Super_Kazuya]

why is it a fallacy? the record speaks for itself.....his best season was 2017, doing exactly what dilfer did in his run to the championship....#1 defense, #1 scoring defense. and had #7 rushing attack to boot....its reality that you have tough time to come to grips with given your penchant not wanting to sign Dak….that's all you have argued and Keenum just popped up, otherwise, any other situation you would be going WTTF are we doing signing Keenum…..come on be honest

Did you really say why is it a fallacy?