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[atlantacowboy]

You’re associating 1st round picks and top paid players as a priority in Bills scheme to his defense.

They are better indicators than anything you got.

 

[Diehardblues]

What are you arguing? The patriots value offensive line and the secondary the most. Thats what their cap dollars say and that's what their drafting says. .......maybe its just a coincidence that Bill was a secondary coach before he was anything.

You literally have no supporting evidence which is why I accused you arguing for its own sake.

That doesn’t equate into Bills defensive scheme is focused on DL pressure.

 

[Diehardblues]

They are better indicators than anything you got.

You’re simply using stats to support your narrative .

I simply don’t agree that Bill places more importance on his secondary than DL.

 

[atlantacowboy]

That doesn’t equate into Bills defensive scheme is focused on DL pressure.

I am not arguing for DL pressure. Obviously, that's a byproduct of a great secondary. At least that's the way it works in NE.

 

[atlantacowboy]

You’re simply using stats to support your narrative .

I simply don’t agree that Bill places more importance on his secondary than DL.

Stats are better than "nothing" which is what you currently have supporting your point of view.

 

[Diehardblues]

I am not arguing for DL pressure. Obviously, that's a byproduct of a great secondary. At least that's the way it works in NE.

I think from what I’ve read and understand is that Bills philosophy with Brady is he wants a defense that doesn’t give up big plays changing field position. He knows with Brady at least for most of his career he could march up and down the field.

So, he’s invested in some top CB’s while continuing to churn the front 4 and 7 with more mid level picks not over investing but continuing to provide that core of pressure to cause havoc up front supporting his secondary. The fact he’s paid a couple of positions in secondary more than the positions in front seven might be more about the sheer numbers of drafting.

So while he’s invested more Cap on that position I’d argue the strength of their defense is still coming from their DL and front 7. They’re just churning them over more not investing after their Rookie contracts because of the strong rotation he continues to draft.

 

[Diehardblues]

Stats are better than "nothing" which is what you currently have supporting your point of view.

If you believe based on their Cap or big contracts that Bill places more emphasis on his defense in secondary than front 7. That’s fine. I see your argument.

I’d want to look further into it. Maybe he just hasn’t drafted as well in secondary as he has in rotation of front 4 and 7. And once he lands a strong CB wants to retain them as it’s more difficult to draft an Elite one.

My bigger point is the front 4 and 7 is the bigger cause of his top defenses not his CB’s which is more about limiting big plays.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I think from what I’ve read and understand is that Bills philosophy with Brady is he wants a defense that doesn’t give up big plays changing field position. He knows with Brady at least for most of his career he could march up and down the field.

So, he’s invested in some top CB’s while continuing to churn the front 4 and 7 with more mid level picks not over investing but continuing to provide that core of pressure to cause havoc up from front supporting his secondary. The fact he’s paid a couple of positions in secondary more than the positions in front seven might be more about the sheer numbers of drafting more quality picks in draft not needing to retain or seeking as much in secondary.

So while he’s invested more Cap on that position I’d argue the strength of their defense is still coming from their DL and front 7. They’re just churning them over more not investing after their Rookie contracts because of the strong rotation he continues to draft.

There is no possible way a rational human being can look at their DL and conclude that is the strength of their team. Literally, you should go look.

 

[atlantacowboy]

If you believe based on their Cap or big contracts that Bill places more emphasis on his defense in secondary than front 7. That’s fine. I see your argument.

I’d want to look further into it. Maybe he just hasn’t drafted as well in secondary as he has in rotation of front 4 and 7. And once he lands a strong CB wants to retain them as it’s more difficult to draft an Elite one.

My bigger point is the front 4 and 7 is the bigger cause of his top defenses not his CB’s which is more about limiting big plays.

He also invest in LBs........but I'm not including them in the DL. Donte Hightower is as good as their is at LB.

 

[Diehardblues]

He also invest in LBs........but I'm not including them in the DL. Donte Hightower is as good as their is at LB.

Bill continues to draft DL in draft while not drafting them in 1st round because he believes in the rotation. He obviously believes it’s not built on one key talent but a group and why he must be continually churning it.

In the secondary once he has a big talent wants to retain them. Or if he doesn’t have feels better about pursuing it in FA than draft. That’s doesn’t mean he places a higher priority on secondary than Front 4 or 7. But I can see how someone could draw that conclusion.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Bill continues to draft DL in draft while not drafting them in 1st round because he believes in the rotation. He obviously believes it’s not built on one key talent but a group and why he must be continually churning it.

In the secondary once he has a big talent wants to retain them. Or if he doesn’t have feels better about pursuing it in FA than draft. That’s doesn’t mean he places a higher priority on secondary than Front 4 or 7. But I can see how someone could draw that conclusion.

Its beyond obvious to me. The fact 4 of their top 10 paid are secondary players says a lot. They have one the least talented DLs in the NFL. So, to call it a priority flies in the face of what we actually see them doing. I think Bill views those guys as interchangeable parts and he uses his defensive cap resources on LBs and CBs.

 

[Blackrain]

Kraft deserves a lot more credit than he gets. He was the reason Belichick spurned the Jets when Parcells had that set up. Kraft studied him when he was in NE and he listened to what the players and coaches said about him. Kraft made a judgement call, and a good one at that, that his time in CLE still carried scars because he had no control. The very thing Parcells had complained about when they were with the NYG bit him in CLE because he had been anxious to get his first HC gig. Kraft gave him exactly what he wanted.

He also deserves credit for being the intermediary between Belichick and Brady and brokered the deal that kept both in NE. He got Brady to take less money in exchange for Belichick dealing Garoppolo away. Kraft realized early on that Belichick was that rare breed, like Jimmy Johnson, he could coach and pick the players.

Agreed Coach, Kraft sits quietly behind the scenes with his name tag covered employing the best and letting his people do there jobs, knowing all the while if you are really great at something you dont have to shout it from the house tops EVERYBODY KNOWS !!!!

Conversely Jerry has been on a 24 -7 mission to keep his name on the presses lips and prove to the world that he and family are football people, dont need elite coaching and are in full control of the failed product we have been watching for the last 25 yrs

 

[Diehardblues]

Agreed Coach, Kraft sits quietly behind the scenes with his name tag covered employing the best and letting his people do there jobs, knowing all the while if you are really great at something you dont have to shout it from the house tops EVERYBODY KNOWS !!!!

Conversely Jerry has been on a 24 -7 mission to keep his name on the presses lips and prove to the world that he and family are football people, dont need elite coaching and are in full control of the failed product we have been watching for the last 25 yrs

Yep
Basically Jerry bought the Cowboys because he wanted to be a football celebrity. But he didn’t want to be subject to the direct accountability that a hired hand would face.

 

[Johnny23]

Are you talking about Jamie Collins? LeGarette Blount left to the Eagle and is now at Detroit

I thought Blount's also been to new England twice. I know Collins,Chung, maybe Browner did as well. Might be missing someone. Know Blount was with the eagles.

 

[Blackrain]

Yep
Basically Jerry bought the Cowboys because he wanted to be a football celebrity. But he didn’t want to be subject to the direct accountability that a hired hand would face.

Whats really sad at this point is his ego has been so big and caused him to be in denial of how bad his process has failed that he has not been accountable to himself or the fans .

All these failed years he could have been compiling an Elite coaching staff that could have taken a few of these teams to a championship game but instead he compiled a staff of lesser talented people that would be satisfied to let him have all the say and credit.

He had no conscience about the players careers he was wasting

Now all of a sudden when faced with the end coming at warp speed he decides discretion is the better part of valor and lets a real coach assemble an NFL staff .

I just cant believe the amount of failure it took for him to finally VALUE COACHING over his own football celebrity status .

And in reality if he had more time he would be satisfied with more failure just to have done it his way

 

[Diehardblues]

Whats really sad at this point is his ego has been so big and caused him to be in denial of how bad his process has failed that he has not been accountable to himself or the fans .

All these failed years he could have been compiling an Elite coaching staff that could have taken a few of these teams to a championship game but instead he compiled a staff of lesser talented people that would be satisfied to let him have all the say and credit.

He had no conscience about the players careers he was wasting

Now all of a sudden when faced with the end coming at warp speed he decides discretion is the better part of valor and lets a real coach assemble an NFL staff .

I just cant believe the amount of failure it took for him to finally VALUE COACHING over his own football celebrity status .

And in reality if he had more time he would be satisfied with more failure just to have done it his way

I’m not surprised at all. I’m only surprised he appears to have made a better decision. But I expect him to spoil it as well before it’s said and done.

I’m still not sure he’s that interested in winning unless it’s his way. This latest coaching decision he made obviously wasn’t welcomed on his behalf as he squirmed until the last gasp.

His ego has really always been this big even in the early years. And why after winning championships he parted ways because he didn’t receive the credit he was pursuing.

Look for Jerry to pull the trigger quickly if it doesn’t turn out well telling us I went along or I told you so and going with someone more of his own choosing under his wing like Moore.

 

[mcmvp]

Good question- Why would BB sign Dak? First of all I probably should have said this premise is based on BB being in charge in Dallas. That said two thoughts on do I think BB would sign Dak?
1. If he didn’t think Dak was worthy of a commitment, he would’ve made the decision a lot earlier than March.
2. Would he sign him here? Yes, because he gives this team the best chance to win now knowing that finding another quality QB is difficult and this org has made a win now commitment.

This is contradictory to a BB roster build. Yes he would want to give his team the best possible chance to win now, but not at the expense of future years. I don’t think BB would sign Dak for anywhere near the money he wants.

I don’t think BB views ‘finding/developing the next QB’ as difficult as many fans apparently do. He doesn’t view it as something that should be avoided.

 

[Bohuntr97]

I thought Blount's also been to new England twice. I know Collins,Chung, maybe Browner did as well. Might be missing someone. Know Blount was with the eagles.

You have it right. He was with NE then spent a year in Pitt and went back to NE. (I only remember this because I have friends that are Pitt fans).

 

[CouchCoach]

This is contradictory to a BB roster build. Yes he would want to give his team the best possible chance to win now, but not at the expense of future years. I don’t think BB would sign Dak for anywhere near the money he wants.

I don’t think BB views ‘finding/developing the next QB’ as difficult as many fans apparently do. He doesn’t view it as something that should be avoided.

That's because of all the NFL people in charge of team building, he understands team better than anyone. You can count on him to be solid in all 3 phases because those aren't buzz words to him, he lives it.

Take QB, it is public knowledge that Brady was getting really fed up with Belichick using him as an example after games that were not played well. Belichick looks at it that he may be the QB but every player spends time in the barrel when they make mistakes.

There is never any question with Belichick who is in charge and he has an owner that knows more about football than Booger ever will. Kraft understood who was the teacher and who was the pupil and never assumed he would be good at a job he'd never performed.

The real problem with Booger is he doesn't learn because of his ego. He's still making the same mistakes and doesn't realize the more he tried to prove he is "football man" the less he looks like it. Any GM that will openly admit, with a certain amount of bravado, that they don't watch film on players isn't a "football man". He prefers to make comments about what they look like in the shower or what player he was thinking about in the shower. He really doesn't realize what a clown he is and that people are not laughing with him.

 

[dwmyers]

When our front office is making decisions about who to keep and who to let go of on our roster; which FA to sign, which to avoid...I wish that our decision makers would consider this: “What Would Bill Belechick Do?”

(snipping some good stuff)

Your thoughts?

We do not follow BB in terms of our talent acquisition philosophy. Belichick builds from the inside out. Dallas builds from the outside in. Expecting Dallas to behave like BB is at best wishful thinking.

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