Multiple Teams In Multiple Years Is A Part Of The New NFL

[817Gill]

One poster made a thread asking if we thought these new 1-2 year deals would become the norm or more common place as they have the last few years. With the signing of Clinton-Dix, I think the topic needs to be rediscussed.

I see people using “he’s been on 4 teams in as many years” as the reasoning for him not being an upgrade at S.

When we traded for Quin you had a segment of fans use this same excuse that it was his “3rd team in 3 years”, now his 4th in 4. Was he perfect? No. Was he still an impactful above league average starter? Heck yeah. Some people try to claim the comparison isn’t valid because Quin JUST signed a deal. So, if Haha signs a big deal next offseason it is? The comparison was completely valid 2 weeks ago.

We need to get used to the new NFL. Guys are more open to becoming mercenaries and taking short deals to become FA’s a year or two later. Adam Schefter spoke on it recently and said guys want to test the market annually as that always nets them their highest value. Market wise, being a free agent drives up your price as teams bid on you. A long term deal keeps you at a fixed rate of pay or fixed rate of increase, while the market is fluid around you. Business wise, unless you are looking at an elite contract, it’s smarter to play the year to year game. Yes injuries are a risk, but there’s a risk to every business move.

Also like Quin showed, it takes one splash season to get PAID in this league. If Haha finishes the season with 4-5 picks like he did in 2016, you don’t think people will be knocking at his door? Also, the Safety market is very wierd, only the elite guys get paid, the others gotta get in where they fit in.

All the analytics point to an above average S, the sole fact that he’s worn 3 jerseys means nothing lol. Suh’s been a mercenary his whole career, doesn’t mean he wasn’t impactful on all his teams. Clinton Dix will be an above average S, a huge upgrade from what we’ve had.

 

[Batman1980]

Ha Ha Clinton-Dix is a ballhawk who misses at times and can be had in run-blocking. Why you want him back there as a center fielder and not anywhere near the line of scimmage.

 

[817Gill]

Ha Ha Clinton-Dix is a ballhawk who misses at times and can be had in run-blocking. Why you want him back there as a center fielder and not anywhere near the line of scimmage.

Heard we have interest in Vonn Bell, would make a great pairing as Von is all about the LOS

 

[JBS]

Heard we have interest in Vonn Bell, would make a great pairing as Von is all about the LOS

Source?

 

[OmerV]

While 1 year deals are not uncommon, 4 teams in 4 years is, and I get that being a concern. If a player is good enough logic dictates that one of those 4 teams would have offered to keep him around longer than 1 year. Of course, with Dix, one of those teams was a mid-season rental deal where it was known all along that after the season he would be a free agent and able to find a new team. Chicago is really the only 1 year deal he had prior to the Cowboys.

 

[817Gill]

Source?

I don’t like posting this account because it’s new this offseason. They’ve picked up a lot of steam and broke some stories so I feel ok with them so far, they’ve been pretty spot on about most of their updates, here’s what they’ve been saying about us

 

[Batman1980]

I believe they meant Morgan Burnett, looks like a typo.

 

[817Gill]

While 1 year deals are not uncommon, 4 teams in 4 years is, and I get that being a concern. If a player is good enough logic dictates that one of those 4 teams would have offered to keep him around longer than 1 year. Of course, with Dix, one of those teams was a mid-season rental deal where it was known all along that after the season he would be a free agent and able to find a new team. Chicago is really the only 1 year deal he had prior to the Cowboys.

Yup, looking in between the lines helps too. Dude wasn’t cut 3 times or anything, Packers had a coaching change on D, skins were a rental, and Chicago already paid big money to Eddie Jackson at S and weren’t gonna pay 2 Safeties lol. Nothing to do with his play

 

[Batman1980]

Bell, Clinton-Dix, Lewis and a draft pick works for me.

 

[NotForLong]

I don’t like posting this account because it’s new this offseason. They’ve picked up a lot of steam and broke some stories so I feel ok with them so far, they’ve been pretty spot on about most of their updates, here’s what they’ve been saying about us

Cameron Wake is interesting

 

[Tussinman]

Alot of times you can get solid mid level veterans for not much money and upgrade postions on your team all while 1. Not having long term cap implications and 2. Giving your draft picks time to develop/rotate versus just throwing them to the wolfs aka connor williams rookie season and praying that they can do a decent enough job

You don't just draft more unproven talent and go "hey go mess around with those other unproven guys, maybe something magical will happen".........

This is what teams that our poorly run do, they go "uhh we like our guys" (i'm sure you've heard that quote from out mangement quite a few times)

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

We need to get used to the new NFL. Guys are more open to becoming mercenaries and taking short deals to become FA’s a year or two later. Adam Schefter spoke on it recently and said guys want to test the market annually as that always nets them their highest value. Market wise, being a free agent drives up your price as teams bid on you.

So does this apply to QBs as well? If so, interesting.

 

[NotForLong]

I don’t like posting this account because it’s new this offseason. They’ve picked up a lot of steam and broke some stories so I feel ok with them so far, they’ve been pretty spot on about most of their updates, here’s what they’ve been saying about us

I also like Dorsett in slot

 

[NotForLong]

One poster made a thread asking if we thought these new 1-2 year deals would become the norm or more common place as they have the last few years. With the signing of Clinton-Dix, I think the topic needs to be rediscussed.

I see people using “he’s been on 4 teams in as many years” as the reasoning for him not being an upgrade at S.

When we traded for Quin you had a segment of fans use this same excuse that it was his “3rd team in 3 years”, now his 4th in 4. Was he perfect? No. Was he still an impactful above league average starter? Heck yeah. Some people try to claim the comparison isn’t valid because Quin JUST signed a deal. So, if Haha signs a big deal next offseason it is? The comparison was completely valid 2 weeks ago.

We need to get used to the new NFL. Guys are more open to becoming mercenaries and taking short deals to become FA’s a year or two later. Adam Schefter spoke on it recently and said guys want to test the market annually as that always nets them their highest value. Market wise, being a free agent drives up your price as teams bid on you. A long term deal keeps you at a fixed rate of pay or fixed rate of increase, while the market is fluid around you. Business wise, unless you are looking at an elite contract, it’s smarter to play the year to year game. Yes injuries are a risk, but there’s a risk to every business move.

Also like Quin showed, it takes one splash season to get PAID in this league. If Haha finishes the season with 4-5 picks like he did in 2016, you don’t think people will be knocking at his door? Also, the Safety market is very wierd, only the elite guys get paid, the others gotta get in where they fit in.

All the analytics point to an above average S, the sole fact that he’s worn 3 jerseys means nothing lol. Suh’s been a mercenary his whole career, doesn’t mean he wasn’t impactful on all his teams. Clinton Dix will be an above average S, a huge upgrade from what we’ve had.

Great insight

 

[jnday]

One poster made a thread asking if we thought these new 1-2 year deals would become the norm or more common place as they have the last few years. With the signing of Clinton-Dix, I think the topic needs to be rediscussed.

I see people using “he’s been on 4 teams in as many years” as the reasoning for him not being an upgrade at S.

When we traded for Quin you had a segment of fans use this same excuse that it was his “3rd team in 3 years”, now his 4th in 4. Was he perfect? No. Was he still an impactful above league average starter? Heck yeah. Some people try to claim the comparison isn’t valid because Quin JUST signed a deal. So, if Haha signs a big deal next offseason it is? The comparison was completely valid 2 weeks ago.

We need to get used to the new NFL. Guys are more open to becoming mercenaries and taking short deals to become FA’s a year or two later. Adam Schefter spoke on it recently and said guys want to test the market annually as that always nets them their highest value. Market wise, being a free agent drives up your price as teams bid on you. A long term deal keeps you at a fixed rate of pay or fixed rate of increase, while the market is fluid around you. Business wise, unless you are looking at an elite contract, it’s smarter to play the year to year game. Yes injuries are a risk, but there’s a risk to every business move.

Also like Quin showed, it takes one splash season to get PAID in this league. If Haha finishes the season with 4-5 picks like he did in 2016, you don’t think people will be knocking at his door? Also, the Safety market is very wierd, only the elite guys get paid, the others gotta get in where they fit in.

All the analytics point to an above average S, the sole fact that he’s worn 3 jerseys means nothing lol. Suh’s been a mercenary his whole career, doesn’t mean he wasn’t impactful on all his teams. Clinton Dix will be an above average S, a huge upgrade from what we’ve had.

Things have got worse since free agency. Came to the NFL. Even with free agency, there is no excuse for the lack of team loyalty. The game has become a showcase for greed and selfishness. There is no coming back from the direction that the league is headed, so why not only allow one year contracts for everybody? Every team has to reload every year and players have to find a new home every year.

 

[817Gill]

Cameron Wake is interesting

Wouldn’t mind him rotating in on pass rush downs, made some noise last year on limited opportunities. He’s one of those ageless dudes lol

 

[gjkoeppen]

One poster made a thread asking if we thought these new 1-2 year deals would become the norm or more common place as they have the last few years. With the signing of Clinton-Dix, I think the topic needs to be rediscussed.

I see people using “he’s been on 4 teams in as many years” as the reasoning for him not being an upgrade at S.

When we traded for Quin you had a segment of fans use this same excuse that it was his “3rd team in 3 years”, now his 4th in 4. Was he perfect? No. Was he still an impactful above league average starter? Heck yeah. Some people try to claim the comparison isn’t valid because Quin JUST signed a deal. So, if Haha signs a big deal next offseason it is? The comparison was completely valid 2 weeks ago.

We need to get used to the new NFL. Guys are more open to becoming mercenaries and taking short deals to become FA’s a year or two later. Adam Schefter spoke on it recently and said guys want to test the market annually as that always nets them their highest value. Market wise, being a free agent drives up your price as teams bid on you. A long term deal keeps you at a fixed rate of pay or fixed rate of increase, while the market is fluid around you. Business wise, unless you are looking at an elite contract, it’s smarter to play the year to year game. Yes injuries are a risk, but there’s a risk to every business move.

Also like Quin showed, it takes one splash season to get PAID in this league. If Haha finishes the season with 4-5 picks like he did in 2016, you don’t think people will be knocking at his door? Also, the Safety market is very wierd, only the elite guys get paid, the others gotta get in where they fit in.

All the analytics point to an above average S, the sole fact that he’s worn 3 jerseys means nothing lol. Suh’s been a mercenary his whole career, doesn’t mean he wasn’t impactful on all his teams. Clinton Dix will be an above average S, a huge upgrade from what we’ve had.

Some of what you said is true, but having to go back now four seasons to make a point on Clinton-Dix is also making the point that there's a reason beside the want for more money is the reason he has jumped from team to team.
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[817Gill]

Some of what you said is true, but having to go back now four seasons to make a point on Clinton-Dix is also making the point that there's a reason beside the want for more money is the reason he has jumped from team to team.
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Glad you brought that up. When his contract year was upcoming in GB, there was a defensive coaching change as Dom Capers was fired. This lead to the new regime valuing S differently (again the S market is wonky due to the variances in schemes and overall importance). Nothing to do with his play, simply a regime change. They subsequently traded him to the Skins.

His trade to the Skins basically turned into a half year rental. Once Alex Smith got hurt their season went into the tank. Did he play great while there? Not really. But nobody did, that’s why they lost like 6 of their last 8 games. He knew he was outta there once the season ended. This is the only period in the shuttle amongst teams in which HHCD played under his ability.

Last year on the Bears he played very well and was the 19th ranked S according to PFF. Why didn’t they keep him? They already inked Eddie Jackson to a big deal the year before. No way any team in the league pays top dollar extensions for two Safeties. In fact, the reason they brought in HHCD was because they let their stud FS Amos go and sign with Green Bay. No FS would’ve gotten an extension there, not really an indictment on Clinton-Dix’s play.

He’s probably seen all this unfold in his career, and wants to take one more crack at an ‘elite’ level deal. And if he balls out here, he’s in a much better position to do so (see Robert Quinn). If he has another above average but not 2016-esque season, he probably continues on the mercenary train with another 1-3 year deal somewhere else.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Glad you brought that up. When his contract year was upcoming in GB, there was a defensive coaching change as Dom Capers was fired. This lead to the new regime valuing S differently (again the S market is wonky due to the variances in schemes and overall importance). Nothing to do with his play, simply a regime change. They subsequently traded him to the Skins.

His trade to the Skins basically turned into a half year rental. Once Alex Smith got hurt their season went into the tank. Did he play great while there? Not really. But nobody did, that’s why they lost like 6 of their last 8 games. He knew he was outta there once the season ended. This is the only period in the shuttle amongst teams in which HHCD played under his ability.

Last year on the Bears he played very well and was the 19th ranked S according to PFF. Why didn’t they keep him? They already inked Eddie Jackson to a big deal the year before. No way any team in the league pays top dollar extensions for two Safeties. In fact, the reason they brought in HHCD was because they let their stud FS Amos go and sign with Green Bay. No FS would’ve gotten an extension there, not really an indictment on Clinton-Dix’s play.

He’s probably seen all this unfold in his career, and wants to take one more crack at an ‘elite’ level deal. And if he balls out here, he’s in a much better position to do so (see Robert Quinn). If he has another above average but not 2016-esque season, he probably continues on the mercenary train with another 1-3 year deal somewhere else.

This a nice array of excuses. The problem with that is why is it that there are players that are considered as one of the best who play on losing teams? Now some or many may have moved on after their contracts were up, but that didn't stop them from playing well for losing teams.

Now your point about new coordinators does have dome validity but usually those players that don't fit the new scheme are either traded away before the the season starts or just let go and are then usually referred to as cap casualties. Also if there was questions about him fitting into the new scheme why did the packers exercise the 5th year option? Clinton-Dix wasn't traded away until after week 8. and then did nothing with the skins. So maybe he either wasn't as good as he or you thought he was or he was angry that he got traded to a losing team and then show his character by not trying as hard. He then was a free agent and had to sign a prove it 1 year contract with the bears. Now Clinton-Dix has signed another 1 year prove it contract with a guaranteed 2.5 mi salary with a 500K signing bonus and a possible 1 mil in incentives. As far as his 19th ranking there are 32 starting safeties in the league so that puts him in the bottom half of safeties. Again we have to go all the way back to the 2016 season when he played like the safety you think bounces around just for big pay checks and doesn't explain why he's had to sign prove it contracts on his last two teams including the Cowboys.
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[817Gill]

This a nice array of excuses. The problem with that is why is it that there are players that are considered as one of the best who play on losing teams? Now some or many may have moved on after their contracts were up, but that didn't stop them from playing well for losing teams.

Now your point about new coordinators does have dome validity but usually those players that don't fit the new scheme are either traded away before the the season starts or just let go and are then usually referred to as cap casualties. Also if there was questions about him fitting into the new scheme why did the packers exercise the 5th year option? Clinton-Dix wasn't traded away until after week 8. and then did nothing with the skins. So maybe he either wasn't as good as he or you thought he was or he was angry that he got traded to a losing team and then show his character by not trying as hard. He then was a free agent and had to sign a prove it 1 year contract with the bears. Now Clinton-Dix has signed another 1 year prove it contract with a guaranteed 2.5 mi salary with a 500K signing bonus and a possible 1 mil in incentives. As far as his 19th ranking there are 32 starting safeties in the league so that puts him in the bottom half of safeties. Again we have to go all the way back to the 2016 season when he played like the safety you think bounces around just for big pay checks and doesn't explain why he's had to sign prove it contracts on his last two teams including the Cowboys.
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Ok a lot to address here I'll go 1 by 1.
"The problem with that is why is it that there are players that are considered as one of the best who play on losing teams? Now some or many may have moved on after their contracts were up, but that didn't stop them from playing well for losing teams."
Not quite sure what you mean by this at all frankly but it's not the meat of the discussion so we'll pass it by.

"Now your point about new coordinators does have dome validity but usually those players that don't fit the new scheme are either traded away before the the season starts or just let go and are then usually referred to as cap casualties. Also if there was questions about him fitting into the new scheme why did the packers exercise the 5th year option? Clinton-Dix wasn't traded away until after week 8. and then did nothing with the skins. So maybe he either wasn't as good as he or you thought he was or he was angry that he got traded to a losing team and then show his character by not trying as hard."
The 2018 Green Bay Packers was the low point of the Mike McCarthy years. They went 6-9-1 and the whole coaching staff was let go. On a franchise like Green Bay with floating ownership and upper management, this is about as close as you can get to a regime change. When they traded him is irrelevant, maybe I didn't clarify but the reason he was traded wasn't only schematic. They were just part of the changes that occur when a new regime takes over. They don't sign the last regime's guys to long-term extensions, they trade them and acquire assets to draft their own. If you're one of those guys who feels like every player on a losing team sucks then maybe you see this as a personal blemish on his record, I see it as a part of business in the league. Is Khalil Mack bad because Gruden traded him as part of the regime change? That's an elite player too, not to mention just good players like HHCD. As for the Skins part, I'm not gonna hold it against a guy for not balling out in D.C. How many guys have been studs there recently? It's a dysfunctional mess year in and year out, his 8 game performance in the nation's capital isn't going to outweigh multiple years of film.

"He then was a free agent and had to sign a prove it 1 year contract with the bears. Now Clinton-Dix has signed another 1 year prove it contract with a guaranteed 2.5 mi salary with a 500K signing bonus and a possible 1 mil in incentives"
1-year prove-it deals benefit the player as much as the team, I think you're looking at it solely from the view of "teams were wary of him and only wanted a prove-it deal". The purpose of the thread was to illuminate that good players in the league also choose to take short-term deals to maximize value and increase chances of a "breakout" year that a non-elite player like Quinn just parlayed into 70M. HHCD probably saw his value take a dip after the end of the 2018 season, and saw a dominant Bears defense who just lost their stud FS to GB. A perfect opportunity to play on a competitive team with a good defense. Though the team went 8-8, HHCD performed well and even outplayed the man the Bears had drafted and signed to a long-term deal the year before in Eddie Jackson. But again, absolutely no-one pays two Safeties (unless you have 2 HOF's) top-dollar as that would be gross negligence cap-wise. Since he was good not elite, he's back in the same position as last year. Take a 1-year chance on a favorable situation to get back on the market and see if you can have that 'elite' season that nets you a big deal. Dallas is a great situation for Clinton-Dix to take a chance. His former coach is here, there is a lot of coverage on the team, and there is potential for winning. We'll see if he can do it.

"As far as his 19th ranking there are 32 starting safeties in the league so that puts him in the bottom half of safeties. Again we have to go all the way back to the 2016 season when he played like the safety you think bounces around just for big pay checks and doesn't explain why he's had to sign prove it contracts on his last two teams including the Cowboys."
Lmao sorry for not elaborating, 19th ranked S out of 114 qualifiers lol pretty good if you ask me. Not 19 of 32. Even if it was 32 teams there are two safeties on each team so it would be 19th out of 64th. It's not strictly FS or SS.