Can somebody help me understand the numbers on Zeke’s Contract?

[aria]

you might want to read the comments section of the article where several posters question the statistical validity of the analysis.

Oh that’s right, all stats are invalid unless it favors Zeke (ie total yards and that’s about it).

Do they question broken tackles, fumbles, yards from scrimmage, yards after contact, total yards...or are those all skewed as well?

I swear, zeke could rob a bank live on national tv and his fan boys would make excuses for him.

BTW, if we’re going based off comments than check out the comments on every Zeke or Dak article that is on the Internet. The only people that think Zeke’s contract was worth it and that he’s not one of the biggest idiots in the league are the Cowboys fans that support him.

 

[iceberg]

It’s really a four year deal because the Cowboys can get out after 2022

4 YRs $50,088,964 —- $6,700,000 Dead Cap

That’s why it’s really not nearly as bad as everyone freaked out about. After 2022, the cowboys can cut him and only owe 6.7m dead cap and move on

4 years and 50m isn’t nearly as ridiculous as it sounded when people said $90,000,000 !?$&@!

there is also a clause in it to where if zeke gets in trouble the league again, it will cost him millions.

 

[StuckMojo]

It’s a very informative article with objective data. Perception is a powerful thing to overcome and some people’s perception of Zeke causes blinders. Zeke is a good running back but he’s not as great as many would have you believe regardless of how many false claims like “he always pushes the pile 4 yards” they throw out to try and make him appear to be better than he is.

Zeke is better than just a “good” running back

 

[MaineBoy]

Oh that’s right, all stats are invalid unless it favors Zeke (ie total yards and that’s about it).

Do they question broken tackles, fumbles, yards from scrimmage, yards after contact, total yards...or are those all skewed as well?

I swear, zeke could rob a bank live on national tv and his fan boys would make excuses for him.

BTW, if we’re going based off comments than check out the comments on every Zeke or Dak article that is on the Internet. The only people that think Zeke’s contract was worth it and that he’s not one of the biggest idiots in the league are the Cowboys fans that support him.

Melt down much ? You flip out attacking comments before you read them ? I have no dog in the fight and was just giving another point of info. But anyone like you who attacks before looking at info has very low credibility.

 

[Aviano90]

Zeke is better than just a “good” running back

Yeah he is a decent back.

 

[aria]

Melt down much ? You flip out attacking comments before you read them ? I have no dog in the fight and was just giving another point of info. But anyone like you who attacks before looking at info has very low credibility.

Actually, I kind of do because most of the time comments like that are coming from zeke homers who refuse to acknowledge any stat that doesn’t make him look as good as they say he is. Apologies if I misinterpreted your statement. I have read the comments, and like any stat, it can be dissected several ways. In this instance, I think they do a great job and that it’s well written with some very valid points.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Just because he may be a top player doesn’t mean he’s worth what he wants. Sometimes you just have to cut bait but since Jerry wasted a 4th round pick on him we all knew he would cave.

Here’s a very good article that dispels the myth of how great Zeke is in short yardage situations and why his contract wasn’t worth it. I’ll be referencing this often when his defenders talk about how great he is on short yard downs.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ezekiel-elliott-is-not-worth-the-money-he-wants/

Still odd that fans have to defend a very good player from other fans...on a fan message board.

I mean...I get it if you don;t agree...on say...a contract. But to hound at it incessantly is...like I said...odd.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Melt down much ? You flip out attacking comments before you read them ? I have no dog in the fight and was just giving another point of info. But anyone like you who attacks before looking at info has very low credibility.

He's obsessed. ZDS.

 

[Big_C_KU]

People just need to forget about 32 million $ of the contract. That all comes in the final 2 years of Zeke’s contract and Dallas could cut him before those 2 years hit with no dead cap space. Zeke won’t reach those final 2 years of the contract. So really this is a 5 year 50 mil $ contract with outs after year 3 of only 6.7 in dead money and year 4 of only 2.6 in dead money. Edit: Sorry read it wrong. 5 year 68.7 mil contract basically. 13.4 mil a year on average.

Another aspect is the timing it has with Tony Pollard’s rookie contract. Tony Pollard’s rookie contract is up after the 2022 season. Dallas will then have a strong idea of what they will do with their future at RB. Keep Zeke for 2 more seasons at 10 mil a year and let Pollard walk and try and find Zeke’s replacement. Cut Zeke for 6.7 mil in dead money and sign Pollard to a cheaper contract and move forward with him at RB and try and find another RB in the draft as well. Or cut Zeke and let Pollard walk and draft a RB early for an immediate starter.

The contract really only sucks if there is a major drop off in Zeke’s play in 2020 or 2021.

 

[aria]

Still odd that fans have to defend a very good player from other fans...on a fan message board.

I mean...I get it if you don;t agree...on say...a contract. But to hound at it incessantly is...like I said...odd.

Because his contract hurts the team, it was dumb, just like he is.

Do you go to all the new multiple Dak threads that start every day and tell all the people that don’t think he is worth what he wants the same thing?

Likewise, it seems odd to me you know my stance on zeke and it will NEVER change and I’ve stated multiple times I will continue to criticize his contract and his off the field personality yet you keep commenting on me commenting on him.

Odd. But hey, thanks for checking in, it’s been awhile!

 

[Typhus]

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Yummy Chummy, a new Ben and Jerry’s flavor.

I would try it,, cookie dough is for the weak...lol

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Because his contract hurts the team, it was dumb, just like he is.

Do you go to all the new multiple Dak threads that start every day and tell all the people that don’t think he is worth what he wants the same thing?

Likewise, it seems odd to me you know my stance on zeke and it will NEVER change and I’ve stated multiple times I will continue to criticize his contract and his off the field personality yet you keep commenting on me commenting on him.

Odd. But hey, thanks for checking in, it’s been awhile!

It hurts the team...in your head. You ignore Zeke's protection of Dak, in several ways but physically has helped keep him healthy.
There is ZERO proof it hurts the team...YET. If you had any sanity about this...you'd let him play for his contract and THEN judge it.

But then...you're more interested in "See I told ya so"...than any kind of fair objective analysis.

Why not cheer him on....to be an ASSETT to the team> If he performs to his potential.....he will be. If he falls flat, it will hurt the team.

But we see what side you are rooting for.

 

[Starforever]

Oh that’s right, all stats are invalid unless it favors Zeke (ie total yards and that’s about it).

Do they question broken tackles, fumbles, yards from scrimmage, yards after contact, total yards...or are those all skewed as well?

I swear, zeke could rob a bank live on national tv and his fan boys would make excuses for him.

BTW, if we’re going based off comments than check out the comments on every Zeke or Dak article that is on the Internet. The only people that think Zeke’s contract was worth it and that he’s not one of the biggest idiots in the league are the Cowboys fans that support him.

Zeke, could also win another rushing title, on the way to a championship, and some would still hate, criticize, be petty, and find fault.

 

[Verdict]

When you secretly hate on your team you need to use a vast assortment of tools to spread it without just coming right out and say you are rooting for their failure

1. Performance - a legitimate reason to complain
2. Contract - performance is good but I still hate. He makes too much money
3. Personality - performance and contract are ok but he has an ego, doesn’t put the team first, tweets too much, etc
4. Endorsements - ok, performance, contract and personality are ok but I don’t make any money and I hate it that the player has a side hustle. He’s clearly not focused on football,
5. Mystery reasons - performance, contract, personality and endorsements aren’t problems. I just have an agenda but don’t dare speak it aloud for fear of ridicule

Nice, creative post. Glad to see you posting stuff like this.

 

[Verdict]

Zeke, could also win another rushing title, on the way to a championship, and some would still hate, criticize, be petty, and find fault.

If you are going to start arguing facts, that’s no fair. That’s a hit below the belt. Two point deduction.

 

[aria]

It hurts the team...in your head. You ignore Zeke's protection of Dak, in several ways but physically has helped keep him healthy.
There is ZERO proof it hurts the team...YET. If you had any sanity about this...you'd let him play for his contract and THEN judge it.

But then...you're more interested in "See I told ya so"...than any kind of fair objective analysis.

Why not cheer him on....to be an ASSETT to the team> If he performs to his potential.....he will be. If he falls flat, it will hurt the team.

But we see what side you are rooting for.

I always hopes he does well on game day and that’s where it begins and ends. I’ve never criticized his blocking and have always said he was a top 3 RB, last year maybe top 5, but that doesn’t mean his contract is worth it.

Of course there’s no way to prove it, just like there’s no way there’s no way to definitively say we would have had the same record with or without him last year (I think we would have had the same record).

Also, just because he’s a Cowboy doesn’t mean I have to support him off the field, he’s a selfish dbag bully punk diva and I can’t wait for him to go another team. That day will be one of my favorite moments as a Cowboys fan.

So are you going to answer my question, do you go to all the Dak threads and ask all his critics how they can possibly be a fan and still be so critical and unsupportive of one of their best players, statistically speaking?

 

[aria]

It hurts the team...in your head. You ignore Zeke's protection of Dak, in several ways but physically has helped keep him healthy.
There is ZERO proof it hurts the team...YET. If you had any sanity about this...you'd let him play for his contract and THEN judge it.

But then...you're more interested in "See I told ya so"...than any kind of fair objective analysis.

Why not cheer him on....to be an ASSETT to the team> If he performs to his potential.....he will be. If he falls flat, it will hurt the team.

But we see what side you are rooting for.

And actually, if you look at the statistical and factual history of RB’s and championship teams there is a very strong argument that his contract does on fact hurt the team because RB is one of the most expendable positions and the money could have been more useful to the success of the team IF used properly.

Outside of his fan boys, you won’t find many football fans or analysts who think his contract was worth it but I can find you several that say it wasn’t and why, many of which I’ve already posted. I may be the most vocal about it but it’s far from an uncommon opinion outside of the Cowboys bubble.

I would say the same about Gurley, as many others did, with or without his injury and I’ll say the same about the idiotic Giants when they resign Barkley. McCaffrey is about the only RB who I think is worth it because he’s so much more than just a “typical” RB.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I always hopes he does well on game day and that’s where it begins and ends. I’ve never criticized his blocking and have always said he was a top 3 RB, last year maybe top 5, but that doesn’t mean his contract is worth it.

Of course there’s no way to prove it, just like there’s no way there’s no way to definitively say we would have had the same record with or without him last year (I think we would have had the same record).

Also, just because he’s a Cowboy doesn’t mean I have to support him off the field, he’s a selfish dbag bully punk diva and I can’t wait for him to go another team. That day will be one of my favorite moments as a Cowboys fan.

So are you going to answer my question, do you go to all the Dak threads and ask all his critics how they can possibly be a fan and still be so critical and unsupportive of one of their best players, statistically speaking?

Sure thing buddy

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

And actually, if you look at the statistical and factual history of RB’s and championship teams there is a very strong argument that his contract does on fact hurt the team because RB is one of the most expendable positions and the money could have been more useful to the success of the team IF used properly.

Outside of his fan boys, you won’t find many football fans or analysts who think his contract was worth it but I can find you several that say it wasn’t and why, many of which I’ve already posted. I may be the most vocal about it but it’s far from an uncommon opinion outside of the Cowboys bubble.

I would say the same about Gurley, as many others did, with or without his injury and I’ll say the same about the idiotic Giants when they resign Barkley. McCaffrey is about the only RB who I think is worth it because he’s so much more than just a “typical” RB.

Sure thing buddy

 

[jaythecowboy]

there is also a clause in it to where if zeke gets in trouble the league again, it will cost him millions.

That is the only thing "team-friendly" about Zeke's contract. The dead money decreasing over the life of the contract happens for almost every contract.