No Successful NFL Team Drafts Best Player Available

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The Baltimore Ravens have been taking best player available for two decades, and their drafts have been awesome.

They make the playoffs routinely as a result.

Ridiculous thread.

If all teams took BPA no players would drop. BPA dies somewhere around midway through first round. If Dallas took BPA instead of Drafting Diggs we would have drafted Mims. Would that make any sense to you? If no one had taken RB Swift, would it make sense we take him because he was BPA in the 2nd?
 

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I hear Cowboys fans talk a lot about drafting the best player available. No team is successful drafting the best player available (BPA). Ask the Detroit Lions who drafted Charles Rodgers, Roy Williams, Mike Williams, and Calvin Johnson in almost consecutive drafts.

You draft the best available player of need (BAPON), ranking the players by grade, then by positions, ranking your needs in priority (prioritized needs), and then you make your BAPON draft board. You can trade up or down using BAPON but you better stick with the board. The 2005 draft that is on ESPN2 today shows how it worked correctly. Parcells wanted to change to a 3-4 Defense and need players. To go to a 3-4 D you better have and outstanding pass rusher at OLB that can also drop in coverage when needed. You also need a DL that can hold up at the line of scrimage and then be able to rush the passer (275 to +300 pound DL).

The Cowboys had DL as there no.1 priority position of need in 2005, and no. 2 was OLB. When the Cowboys came to pick in the 1st round of the 2005 draft, they had a dilemma. Demarcus Ware was the BAPON on the draft board, but the no.1 priority position of need fit was Marcus Spears, DL, LSU from Southern Lab High in Baton Rouge, and Nick Saban Coached. Parcell's loved Ware saying he reminded him of a retired LB in FL (LT), however his no. 1 priority need was not the no.1 player on the draft board. So the Cowboys personnel department (Jeff Ireland, others) had to conveince him to stick to the board and draft Ware then hope that Spears fell to their 20 pick in the 1st round or they could trade up to snatch him. Parcells did not want to take the risk but he also knew about the Cowboys not sticking with the BAPON draft board leading the all the sorry Larry Lacewell drafts that he required Jerry Jones to fire for Parcells to Coach the Cowboys. So, the Cowboys stuck with the BAPON and drafted future Hall of Fame and Ring of Honor OLB Demarucs Ware. The remainder of the draft BAPON was used and the Cowboys went for 4-3 to 3-4 in one draft, creating a playoff/super bowl caliber defense that continued through the lousy coaching and coaching carousel of Son of Bum, and that Red Head clapping idiot who finally wasted what was drafted in 2005.

BAPON was the method used by Gil Brandt/Wooten during the Landry years (20 consecutive winning seasons) before Landry got more involved in personnel decisions in the mid/late 80's. BAPON was used masterfully by Jimmy Johnson/Ackles/Wooten to build the Cowboys Dynasty of the 90's. BAPON was totally neglected during the Jerry Jones/Lacewell years. BAPON was brought back during the Parcells years (see the trade down in 2004 that lead to the 2 1st round picks in 2005). Neglected again during the Jerry Jones/Tom Ciskowski years. After the 2013 fiasco (trade down not using BAPON) BAPON was brought back by Will McClay. However Jerry still can mess it up when he listens to coaches vs. scouts see the Hill DT pick, and the waste of former 1st round pick Taco Charlton, who had as many sacks as Demarcus Lawrence in less games last year for the Dolphins as Lawrence cost per sack total was $4M less than Taco.

When you draft the Best Available Player of Need according to your draft board, you will pass on Johnny Football, and draft a OG from Notre Dame named Zach Martin. Keep yourself and your coaches out of the selection process, and never draft the best available player without looking at prioritized needs or you will end up with 4 WR as your number one pick 4 out of 5 years.
Lol!!!! What makes you an expert? Madden? ESPNplus? Or, do you have real cred??? I would really like to know?
 

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Mike Tyson said it best... Everyone has a plan till you get punched in the mouth.

The draft you can’t go in with a gameplan that’s set in stone. You’ll have dudes that will fall in to your lap that are BPA that you can’t pass on... I.e Calvin Johnson’s, Dez Bryant’s, CeeDee Lamb etc

but then you’ll be in the draft have a dude who is way higher on the board let’s say RB who you then can be a great RB #2 in the 5th round but you know that safety joe blow is the last safety you feel can make the roster and be a difference maker

I subscribe to the let the draft play out and see what happens... you’ll take some reaches/gambles... you’ll take the safe pick you feel... and you’ll take the easy calls when someone who shouldn’t be there is and you draft them.

Drafts get crowned or hated way too soon.
 

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Yea, but there was a 11 rank disparity here. You are picking 17th and a player ranked 6th is available. I can see if he was like 12th ranked or something similar then I would think passing on him would be wise. But 6th ranked is hard to pass on.
 

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Here is the BAPON for the 6th round:
#69
DE Bradlee Anae
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(DS#6 DE/Overall: #69) Utah 2nd 2-3 3rd 6-3 257 4.82 - 4.95
#103
OT Prince Tega Wanogho
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(DS#11 OT/Overall: #107) Auburn 2-3rd 3-4 4th-5th/INJ 6-5 308 4.74 - 4.93
#108
FS J.R. Reed
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(DS#4 FS/Overall: #108) Georgia 3rd 3-4 4-5th 6-1 202 4.46 - 4.60
#109
TE *Thaddeus Moss
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(DS#6 TE/Overall: #113) LSU 2-3rd 3-4 4th 6-2 250 4.54 - 4.73
#115 - Pick him since you pass on his Dad Randy Moss.
TE *Hunter Bryant
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(DS#7 TE/Overall: #117) Washington 2-3rd 3-4 4th 6-2 248 4.63 - 4.80 - Convert to FB/HB
#124
C Darryl Williams
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(DS#4 C/Overall: #124) Mississippi State 3rd 3-4 5-6th 6-2 304 5.12 - 5.30
#125
FS Alohi Gilman
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(DS#5 FS/Overall: #125) Notre Dame 3rd 3-4 5-6th 5-10 201 4.52 - 4.67 - former transfer from Navy
#133
SS Antoine Brooks Jr.
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(DS#4 SS/Overall: #133) Maryland 3-4th/S or OLB 4 5-6th 5-11 220 4.53 - 4.68
#136
P Braden Mann
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(DS#1 P/Overall: #136) Texas AM 3rd 4 5th 5-11 198 4.75 - 4.90
#137
OLB Brian Cole II
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(DS#13 OLB/Overall: #140) Mississippi State 3rd/S or LB 4 5th 6-2 213 4.42 - 4.59 - Special teams with development to either SS or OLB passing downs. CB *Harrison Hand
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(DS#16 CB/Overall: #142) Temple 3rd 4 5th 5-11 197 4.43 - 4.58
#146
DT Benito Jones
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(DS#13 DT/Overall: #146) Mississippi 4th 4 6th 6-1 316 5.17 - 5.32
#149
DE *Nick Coe
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(DS#14 DE/Overall: #149) Auburn 3-4th 4-5 5th 6-5 280 4.80 - 4.95
#152
SS Josh Metellus
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(DS#5 SS/Overall: #152) Michigan 4th 4-5 6-7th 5-11 209 4.48 - 4.64
#155
WR K.J. Hill
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(DS#23 WR/Overall: #155) Ohio State 3-4th 4-5 5th 6-0 196 4.48 - 4.65
#157
DT Khalil Davis
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(DS#14 DT/Overall: #157) Nebraska 3-4th 4-5 6th 6-1 308 4.70 - 4.83
#158
OLB Cam Brown
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(DS#15 OLB/Overall: #160) Penn State 4th 4-5 6th 6-5 233 4.65 - 4.78
#162
TE Jake Breeland
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(DS#10 TE/Overall: #163) Oregon 4th 5 HPFA/INJ 6-5 252 4.70 - 4.88
 

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Yea, but there was a 11 rank disparity here. You are picking 17th and a player ranked 6th is available. I can see if he was like 12th ranked or something similar then I would think passing on him would be wise. But 6th ranked is hard to pass on.
You do not Passover Lamb. The Cowboys have drafted BAPON and this draft feels better than the last 2 drafts that you have players that can challenge for starting positions.
 

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The moment you make a rule and say "you must always do this all the time every time"...is a recipe for failure. Cooking may be a science...but if you NEVER bring some art into it...you will fail.

Make a rule for general principles, then be prepared to be flexible enough to break the rule when the situation calls for it.
 

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If all teams took BPA no players would drop. BPA dies somewhere around midway through first round. If Dallas took BPA instead of Drafting Diggs we would have drafted Mims. Would that make any sense to you? If no one had taken RB Swift, would it make sense we take him because he was BPA in the 2nd?

teams have their own boards...that aren’t the same...
 

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If all teams took BPA no players would drop. BPA dies somewhere around midway through first round. If Dallas took BPA instead of Drafting Diggs we would have drafted Mims. Would that make any sense to you? If no one had taken RB Swift, would it make sense we take him because he was BPA in the 2nd?
Do you know Dallas’ board?
Do you really think Mims was a full tier group ahead of Diggs, if at all?
No way
 

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I bet the first post would be twice as long if they passed on Lamb
 

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The moment you make a rule and say "you must always do this all the time every time"...is a recipe for failure. Cooking may be a science...but if you NEVER bring some art into it...you will fail.

Make a rule for general principles, then be prepared to be flexible enough to break the rule when the situation calls for it.
You know why this draft feels better...They are drafting the Best Available Players Of Need. Not the best available player the Jerry likes or Marinelli likes. Drafting BAPON is an art that only happens when every one in the kitchen is on the same page looking at the same recipe book which in the NFL draft is the Draft Board. Grade, Rank, Prioritize, Draft, and Repeat.

CB - Diggs, Robinson DT - Gallimore C- Tyler Baldasz OLB/DE Anae WR-3 - Lamb (can allow Cooper or Gallup movement in/out slot)
 

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BAPON for the 7th Round..
#107
OT Prince Tega Wanogho
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(DS#11 OT/Overall: #107) Auburn 2-3rd 3-4 4th-5th/INJ 6-5 308 4.74 - 4.93 - I really like him to develop at LT and switch to DT
#108
FS J.R. Reed
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(DS#4 FS/Overall: #108) Georgia 3rd 3-4 4-5th 6-1 202 4.46 - 4.60
#113
TE *Thaddeus Moss
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(DS#6 TE/Overall: #113) LSU 2-3rd 3-4 4th 6-2 250 4.54 - 4.73
#115
TE *Hunter Bryant
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(DS#7 TE/Overall: #117) Washington 2-3rd 3-4 4th 6-2 248 4.63 - 4.80
#124
C Darryl Williams
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(DS#4 C/Overall: #124) Mississippi State 3rd 3-4 5-6th 6-2 304 5.12 - 5.30
#140
OLB Brian Cole II
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(DS#13 OLB/Overall: #140) Mississippi State 3rd/S or LB 4 5th 6-2 213 4.42 - 4.59
#146
DT Benito Jones
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(DS#13 DT/Overall: #146) Mississippi 4th 4 6th 6-1 316 5.17 - 5.32
#149
DE *Nick Coe
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(DS#14 DE/Overall: #149) Auburn 3-4th 4-5 5th 6-5 280 4.80 - 4.95
#152
SS Josh Metellus
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(DS#5 SS/Overall: #152) Michigan 4th 4-5 6-7th 5-11 209 4.48 - 4.64
#155
WR K.J. Hill
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(DS#23 WR/Overall: #155) Ohio State 3-4th 4-5 5th 6-0 196 4.48 - 4.65
#158
TE Jake Breeland
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(DS#10 TE/Overall: #163) Oregon 4th 5 HPFA/INJ 6-5 252 4.70 - 4.88
#165
CB Javaris Davis
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(DS#20 CB/Overall: #165) Auburn 4th 5 6th 5-08 183 4.35 - 4.46
#167
QB Nate Stanley
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(DS#9 QB/Overall: #167) Iowa 4th 5 HPFA 6-4 235 4.75 - 4.90
#169
OLB Carter Coughlin
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(DS#16 OLB/Overall: #172) Minnesota 3-4th 5 6th 6-3 236 4.50 - 4.65
#173
DE *Jonathan Garvin
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(DS#15 DE/Overall: #173) Miami (FL) 3-4th 5 5-6th 6-4 263 4.75 - 4.87
#174
OT Alex Taylor
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(DS#15 OT/Overall: #175) South Carolina State 4-5th 5 HPFA 6-8 308 5.04 - 5.17
#177
CB *Javelin K. Guidry
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(DS#21 CB/Overall: #177) Utah 4th 5 7th 5-09 191 4.21 - 4.35
#182
TE Stephen Sullivan
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(DS#12 TE/Overall: #186) LSU 4-5th 5-6 HPFA 6-5 248 4.57 - 4.74
 

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BAPON for the 7th Round..
#107
OT Prince Tega Wanogho
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(DS#11 OT/Overall: #107) Auburn 2-3rd 3-4 4th-5th/INJ 6-5 308 4.74 - 4.93 - I really like him to develop at LT and switch to DT
#108
FS J.R. Reed
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(DS#4 FS/Overall: #108) Georgia 3rd 3-4 4-5th 6-1 202 4.46 - 4.60
#113
TE *Thaddeus Moss
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(DS#6 TE/Overall: #113) LSU 2-3rd 3-4 4th 6-2 250 4.54 - 4.73
#115
TE *Hunter Bryant
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(DS#7 TE/Overall: #117) Washington 2-3rd 3-4 4th 6-2 248 4.63 - 4.80
#124
C Darryl Williams
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(DS#4 C/Overall: #124) Mississippi State 3rd 3-4 5-6th 6-2 304 5.12 - 5.30
#140
OLB Brian Cole II
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(DS#13 OLB/Overall: #140) Mississippi State 3rd/S or LB 4 5th 6-2 213 4.42 - 4.59
#146
DT Benito Jones
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(DS#13 DT/Overall: #146) Mississippi 4th 4 6th 6-1 316 5.17 - 5.32
#149
DE *Nick Coe
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(DS#14 DE/Overall: #149) Auburn 3-4th 4-5 5th 6-5 280 4.80 - 4.95
#152
SS Josh Metellus
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(DS#5 SS/Overall: #152) Michigan 4th 4-5 6-7th 5-11 209 4.48 - 4.64
#155
WR K.J. Hill
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(DS#23 WR/Overall: #155) Ohio State 3-4th 4-5 5th 6-0 196 4.48 - 4.65
#158
TE Jake Breeland
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(DS#10 TE/Overall: #163) Oregon 4th 5 HPFA/INJ 6-5 252 4.70 - 4.88
#165
CB Javaris Davis
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(DS#20 CB/Overall: #165) Auburn 4th 5 6th 5-08 183 4.35 - 4.46
#167
QB Nate Stanley
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(DS#9 QB/Overall: #167) Iowa 4th 5 HPFA 6-4 235 4.75 - 4.90
#169
OLB Carter Coughlin
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(DS#16 OLB/Overall: #172) Minnesota 3-4th 5 6th 6-3 236 4.50 - 4.65
#173
DE *Jonathan Garvin
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(DS#15 DE/Overall: #173) Miami (FL) 3-4th 5 5-6th 6-4 263 4.75 - 4.87
#174
OT Alex Taylor
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(DS#15 OT/Overall: #175) South Carolina State 4-5th 5 HPFA 6-8 308 5.04 - 5.17
#177
CB *Javelin K. Guidry
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(DS#21 CB/Overall: #177) Utah 4th 5 7th 5-09 191 4.21 - 4.35
#182
TE Stephen Sullivan
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(DS#12 TE/Overall: #186) LSU 4-5th 5-6 HPFA 6-5 248 4.57 - 4.74
Who are those rankings in parenthisis? Yours?

For example
Trey Adams is currently the highest-ranked player on ESPN's best available at 73
Wanogho is 3rd at 91

And no telling what Dallas' board looks like
 

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Do you know Dallas’ board?
Do you really think Mims was a full tier group ahead of Diggs, if at all?
No way

I'm assuming when you say BPA you mean the entire draft, not someone's specific draft board. Of course if you have a specific set of players on your board you're going to go BPA, you're the one that made the list!
 

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Who are those rankings in parenthisis? Yours?

For example
Trey Adams is currently the highest-ranked player on ESPN's best available at 73
Wanogho is 3rd at 91

And no telling what Dallas' board looks like
First # is his standing at his position with all OT (11) and the 2nd # is his rank overall regardless of position (101).
 

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I hear Cowboys fans talk a lot about drafting the best player available. No team is successful drafting the best player available (BPA). Ask the Detroit Lions who drafted Charles Rodgers, Roy Williams, Mike Williams, and Calvin Johnson in almost consecutive drafts.

You draft the best available player of need (BAPON), ranking the players by grade, then by positions, ranking your needs in priority (prioritized needs), and then you make your BAPON draft board.

"Need" is a funny word.

Arguably we didn't "need" a center. But getting a starting quality one sure did straighten out our oline.

This was the victory of our approach to free agency. We fill holes, so we don't have starting needs we're desperate to fill that make us pass up on better players.

We didn't *need* a WR in the first round. But we could take one because we weren't desperate to fill a starting hole at C, 3T, or CB. We weren't desperate at C largely because we picked McGovern as BPA last year. Not desperate at 3T because we signed McCoy. Not desperate at CB because we signed Brown.
 

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I hear Cowboys fans talk a lot about drafting the best player available. No team is successful drafting the best player available (BPA). Ask the Detroit Lions who drafted Charles Rodgers, Roy Williams, Mike Williams, and Calvin Johnson in almost consecutive drafts.

You draft the best available player of need (BAPON), ranking the players by grade, then by positions, ranking your needs in priority (prioritized needs), and then you make your BAPON draft board. You can trade up or down using BAPON but you better stick with the board. The 2005 draft that is on ESPN2 today shows how it worked correctly. Parcells wanted to change to a 3-4 Defense and need players. To go to a 3-4 D you better have and outstanding pass rusher at OLB that can also drop in coverage when needed. You also need a DL that can hold up at the line of scrimage and then be able to rush the passer (275 to +300 pound DL).

The Cowboys had DL as there no.1 priority position of need in 2005, and no. 2 was OLB. When the Cowboys came to pick in the 1st round of the 2005 draft, they had a dilemma. Demarcus Ware was the BAPON on the draft board, but the no.1 priority position of need fit was Marcus Spears, DL, LSU from Southern Lab High in Baton Rouge, and Nick Saban Coached. Parcell's loved Ware saying he reminded him of a retired LB in FL (LT), however his no. 1 priority need was not the no.1 player on the draft board. So the Cowboys personnel department (Jeff Ireland, others) had to conveince him to stick to the board and draft Ware then hope that Spears fell to their 20 pick in the 1st round or they could trade up to snatch him. Parcells did not want to take the risk but he also knew about the Cowboys not sticking with the BAPON draft board leading the all the sorry Larry Lacewell drafts that he required Jerry Jones to fire for Parcells to Coach the Cowboys. So, the Cowboys stuck with the BAPON and drafted future Hall of Fame and Ring of Honor OLB Demarucs Ware. The remainder of the draft BAPON was used and the Cowboys went for 4-3 to 3-4 in one draft, creating a playoff/super bowl caliber defense that continued through the lousy coaching and coaching carousel of Son of Bum, and that Red Head clapping idiot who finally wasted what was drafted in 2005.

BAPON was the method used by Gil Brandt/Wooten during the Landry years (20 consecutive winning seasons) before Landry got more involved in personnel decisions in the mid/late 80's. BAPON was used masterfully by Jimmy Johnson/Ackles/Wooten to build the Cowboys Dynasty of the 90's. BAPON was totally neglected during the Jerry Jones/Lacewell years. BAPON was brought back during the Parcells years (see the trade down in 2004 that lead to the 2 1st round picks in 2005). Neglected again during the Jerry Jones/Tom Ciskowski years. After the 2013 fiasco (trade down not using BAPON) BAPON was brought back by Will McClay. However Jerry still can mess it up when he listens to coaches vs. scouts see the Hill DT pick, and the waste of former 1st round pick Taco Charlton, who had as many sacks as Demarcus Lawrence in less games last year for the Dolphins as Lawrence cost per sack total was $4M less than Taco.

When you draft the Best Available Player of Need according to your draft board, you will pass on Johnny Football, and draft a OG from Notre Dame named Zach Martin. Keep yourself and your coaches out of the selection process, and never draft the best available player without looking at prioritized needs or you will end up with 4 WR as your number one pick 4 out of 5 years.
This isn't how it works.

You group players in tiers.

Within tiers you have flexibility. But you should never drop down a tier for need.

This clearly was what happened with Ceedee and the Cowboys. He was the best player within the tier...maybe the only player left in that tier. They simply had to take him or violate best practice.
 
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