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Dak isn't elite, but he's been much more than mediocre. And, the reality is, the notion some have of dumping Dak and getting an elite guy like Mahomes or Rodgers is mostly a fantasy. QBs at that level aren't available to go pick up at Walmart. They are rare, and far and away most teams have to find a way to win without that. So, a team either has to find a way to latch onto one of the next tier after the few elite level guys, or take a shot in the dark that is much more likely to leave you much worse off than you were than to land one of the rare elite guys.

I would rather roll the dice with Dalton and sink Dak's money into the defense. I am aware there are many more bus drivers (or worse) than elite guys out there. Dak can flash greatness, and his play in the 4th quarter when the game is on the line can be clutch. But at the end of the day, he isn't worth being the top paid QB, regardless of what the market says. I see very little difference between him and Dalton with this offense. And if we really are in win-now mode? I'd prefer to go with the cheaper option and boost the defense.
 

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Not to mention that in today's NFL having a top defense and a top offense is hard to do. For most teams it is either or.
Yep, need either an Elite defense or QB. Not sure a top offense is enough without an Elite QB if you don’t have a good defense. Certainly wasn’t last year.
 

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I would rather roll the dice with Dalton and sink Dak's money into the defense. I am aware there are many more bus drivers (or worse) than elite guys out there. Dak can flash greatness, and his play in the 4th quarter when the game is on the line can be clutch. But at the end of the day, he isn't worth being the top paid QB, regardless of what the market says. I see very little difference between him and Dalton with this offense. And if we really are in win-now mode? I'd prefer to go with the cheaper option and boost the defense.
If we were just talking about 1 year, I might not disagree. But to have a chance year after year there needs to be consistency at the QB position, and Dalton is on a one year deal and is 6 years older than Dak. I certainly don't want to flounder without a reasonable QB like we did for years after Aikman.
 

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I would rather roll the dice with Dalton and sink Dak's money into the defense.

I see very little difference between him and Dalton with this offense.
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I would rather roll the dice with Dalton and sink Dak's money into the defense. I am aware there are many more bus drivers (or worse) than elite guys out there. Dak can flash greatness, and his play in the 4th quarter when the game is on the line can be clutch. But at the end of the day, he isn't worth being the top paid QB, regardless of what the market says. I see very little difference between him and Dalton with this offense. And if we really are in win-now mode? I'd prefer to go with the cheaper option and boost the defense.

I guarantee if this was Aikman/Romo instead of Dak (with almost 5,000 yards passing) holding out, you wouldn't say this.
 

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Dak is not going to sign a 5 year deal with a 35m average regardless of the guarantee and only take an average of 26m per season the 1st 4 years it's too low any agent that would leave that much money on the table isn't a good agent. We all know that non guaranteed money is backloaded on to later years of a contract to make the average look higher but what you are saying is that in the 5th year of a 5 year deal he would sign, his salary would be 68m in the 5th year if he gets 107m over the 1st 4 years..it just won't happen like that, maybe 48m (and even that is high) but not 68 and that extra 20 would have to be paid and spread out over the 1st 4 years. None of this changes what you are saying except that his cap hit for the 1st 4 years is going to be higher each year then you are predicting it would be. After the guarantee is paid they can cut him without a cap hit except for the pro-rated portion of any signing bonus he receives

Contracts are usually set up to be cleared off or renegotiated when the guaranteed money runs out or gets lower than the nonguaranteed money.

Seattle, for instance, can get out of Wilson's deal in 2022. The Seahawks would absorb $26 million in dead cap, but save $11 million in cap space. At that point, Wilson will never have had a year where his salary reached his APY of $35 million. He will have gotten $26.2 in this first year, $31 in his second and $32 in his third. The difference is, and here's where it pays off for the player, is he still receives the rest of his guaranteed money, so he'd receive that $26 million not to play, which means that he would make a total of $115 million over three years played (four years total), which would make his APY actually be $38.4 million if you just consider the years played.

For cap purposes, all that matters is how much they get yearly. For the player, what matters is the guarantee because they are going to get paid even if they get cut. If Dak signs a five-year deal with $107 million guaranteed, then he'll get that $107 and maybe a little nonguaranteed money whether or not he plays a fifth season here (again that's $26.75 per year). Now, as I mentioned in another post, I don't think he'll settle for $107 million on a five-year deal either; I think it will be more like $120 guaranteed.
 

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I would have said pay him a couple years ago...that was before he quit running the ball, and before I reminded myself that you can't learn to be accurate.
 
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