News: What’s the market like for Seahawks targets Clowney and Griffen?

[BAT]

I hope Fowler is right.

“I know he has multiple offers out there,” Fowler said. “I believe Arizona is interested, Dallas is interested, I believe Seattle at least has mild interest as sort of a backup plan at pass rusher. In that case, a guy like Griffen, you know (he) can wait knowing that at least one of those deals is going to stay there and (he doesn’t) have to sign right now. So it’s just at a bit of a stagnant point.”

 

[Beaker42]

DL has already been addressed in FA and the draft.

Neither of these guys are going to be worth the effort as 1 year deal guys.

Dallas has to see what they have in whom they have Trystan Hill has to get developed and we drafted guys in the DL and resigning Woods will help.

If we are going to shore up anything, a LBer seems primary. Lee is game to game and Wolf Hunter we have not a clue. We need a LBer who can cover TEs and backs out of the backfield.

We will lose some games because good teams will just attack the LBers as they and the safeties were below average. That will happen again.

If some cut comes our way, we need to jump on it at LBer.

Just my call to arms.

DL has been addressed? Maybe at DT but we don’t have a RDE at this point. Gregory is a huge ?, Anee is an unproven rookie, Armstrong is a total bust, and Crawford is not an end. It took the former stupid-azz staff 2 seasons to figure that out. We have NO RDE at the present time who I would have confidence in throwing out there.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Who would you rather have at RDE more than Griffen, that's on the roster?

Robert Quinn was very effective on a one year deal, why is this different?

T. Hill isn't worth mentioning... Gallimore has taken his spot. Anae isn't altering any signings.

Cowboys already have a coverage LB, he just needs to be healthy and stay healthy. Also, Joe Thomas can cover.

The coaching/scheme also plays a major part in the coverage of TEs n RBs. This new defense isn't going to be as predictable, supposedly, and I'll take George Edwards or whoever they have now over Bloom.

I get the concern at LB, but the stronger the DL the better the LBs are protected.

I would rather take this year and see if Gregory can be the answer. I think no problem he can have 6-8 sacks. And I like the upside with Aldon. Then there is Crawford that will probably play on first down.

If you go with Griffin, not only do you give up the future possibility of Gregory, but Griffin is just a stop gap for a year or two.

 

[CowboyRoy]

DL has been addressed? Maybe at DT but we don’t have a RDE at this point. Gregory is a huge ?, Anee is an unproven rookie, Armstrong is a total bust, and Crawford is not an end. It took the former stupid-azz staff 2 seasons to figure that out. We have NO RDE at the present time who I would have confidence in throwing out there.

We have 3 RDE's.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

Benson Mayowa is still playing? wow.

I was just going to say the same thing

 

[Stash]

Yeah that number is way off. There are so many things the Cowboys could do if they needed room. There is plenty of room available if the Cowboys wanted to sign Griffen.

Get Crawford off the books, gain $8 million to pay Griffen.

Boom. Done.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Youre right.

But cutting Crawford would net like 9 mil. Give that money to Griffen instead.

I'm so confused by the Crawford situation. There were reports that we were going to approach him regarding a paycut. The reports come out he's willing to take a paycut. Then he gets in trouble with the law.

Now we don't ask him to take a paycut? There's some sort of disconnect. I'd love Crawford back at $4.5M-$5M. $9M we aren't getting value.

 

[Verdict]

I'm so confused by the Crawford situation. There were reports that we were going to approach him regarding a paycut. The reports come out he's willing to take a paycut. Then he gets in trouble with the law.

Now we don't ask him to take a paycut? There's some sort of disconnect. I'd love Crawford back at $4.5M-$5M. $9M we aren't getting value.

It is an odd situation. Maybe they are going to cut him outright after June 1?

 

[HungryLion]

I'm so confused by the Crawford situation. There were reports that we were going to approach him regarding a paycut. The reports come out he's willing to take a paycut. Then he gets in trouble with the law.

Now we don't ask him to take a paycut? There's some sort of disconnect. I'd love Crawford back at $4.5M-$5M. $9M we aren't getting value.

I hope it still happens. I mean. I don’t see anybody paying Crawford more than 5 million on the open market. And the cowboys can cut him without any cap ramifications. So there’s no reason the cowboys shouldn’t get him to take a pay cut.

 

[Rayman70]

I actually like our guys lol..seriously. MAYBE Griffen on a 1 year deal...MAYBE. NO ON CLOWNEY. He's a lot of hot air and little production.

 

[slick325]

I am not averse to Dallas signing either Clowney or Griffen. But, I am very cognizant of the importance of having a good locker room. Not implying that either are not good locker room guys at all but the staff has to balance what they already have with what they may want to add.

 

[TheHerd]

I love how he says Seattle has an awful pass rush (with Clowney), but Clowney would fill a need to improve the pass rush.

 

[Kwyn]

From what I read I would say in the know. However, Dallas having interest isn't saying much, considering they need a DE and George Edwards is in the house.

I must say, DAL should be more attractive if the money is equal.

Cowboys have around $14M in cap space left and that's more than enough to get something done with Griffen around say $7M.

Where did you see 14.4? Everything I’ve read has us at 7.5m max and likely closer to 5.5

edit: I read your later post. Sure, signing Dak and cutting Crawford might get us unto Giffen range but neither are going to happen and hoping for a trade that depends on parties doinf something they don’t want to do (signing and cutting) is just wishful thinking

 

[Kwyn]

Texans went from an elite defense to an average one with the loss of Clowney.

Clowney is an every down game disruptor vs. BOTH the pass and the run.

Without Clowney, the Texans lost their bridge to sustain competency along their defensive front. This led to a horrendous defense. When Crennel’s defense gets pressure, it’s really great. When it doesn’t, it’s really bad, and it was even worse when the cornerback group talent was as thin and injured as it was last season. Without Clowney, Watt, and Kareem Jackson, the Texans didn’t create the same negative plays in the run game they did in 2019.

The stats speak for themselves. The results are clear. Houston’s defense was worse last season without Clowney. Their all-time great run defense dropped from first to 22nd in defensive DVOA. Their pass defense DVOA dropped from 19th to 26th. They were last in the league in yards per attempt against the short pass. Their pressure rate dropped from 20th to 26th. Their adjusted sack rate from 13th to 29th. Tremendous fell to below average. Passable fell to among the worst in the league.

The difference between then and 2019 was the Texans had Clowney. Clowney could carry a front seven and decimate offenses by being football spectacular, not box score spectacular.

https://www.battleredblog.com/2020/...upthink-revisiting-the-jadeveon-clowney-trade

That’s nice and I appreciate that you appreciate Clowntley. He’s a player.

That being said, there’s almost a zero percent chance the Cowboys could come close to having the cap money to sign him.

He turned down 16m. He’s not going to take less than half that to come to Dallas

 

[BAT]

We have 3 RDE's.

2 are still not eligible to play AND have not played in NFL for YEARS. Trusting in Gregory and/or Aldon to start is foolish. Hope is not a strategy.

Anae is a rookie, 5th rounder to boot.

Neither Crawford or Joe Jackson are RDE, more run stopper than pass rusher at 6'4 275.

Would take 33 year old Griffen but would much rather have the younger (27) much more dynamic much more scheme diverse player in Clowney.

 

[Kwyn]

I hope it still happens. I mean. I don’t see anybody paying Crawford more than 5 million on the open market. And the cowboys can cut him without any cap ramifications. So there’s no reason the cowboys shouldn’t get him to take a pay cut.

they can’t really get him to take a pay cut. He’s in his final year and you can only restructure a contract with remaining years to basically spread the cost out.

Their only real option is to just cut him and come to an agreement on a new contract but he could, of course, just go soenwheee else

as much as people hate on Crawford, he’s still a good football player and can contribute to the team.

Sure, we all wish his cap number was lower but he’s not just a scrub.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/8418...ke-for-seahawks-targets-clowney-and-griffen/? You believe Fowler is in the know or just conjecture at this point?

Rescind Prescott go with Dalton and we can sign both Clowney and Griffen.
Doomsday is back baby!

 

[BAT]

That’s nice and I appreciate that you appreciate Clowntley. He’s a player.

That being said, there’s almost a zero percent chance the Cowboys could come close to having the cap money to sign him.

He turned down 16m. He’s not going to take less than half that to come to Dallas

Clowney is already regretting turning down Seattle's offer as his options are more limited than he realized. But Seahawks have moved on.

Cowboys could offer 8-10M base with 7-9M in incentives including double digit sacks, tackles for loss, turnovers, all pro recognition, top 10 defensive ranking, postseason wins, Superbowl appearance, etc.

 

[Kwyn]

Clowney is already regretting turning down Seattle's offer as his options are more limited than he realized. But Seahawks have moved on.

Cowboys could offer 8-10M base with 7-9M in incentives including double digit sacks, tackles for loss, turnovers, all pro recognition, top 10 defensive ranking, postseason wins, Superbowl appearance, etc.

First - We don’t have 8m, let alone 10m

Second - Incentives like you are proposing aren’t common, at all, for high quality starting level players. That type of 50/50 guarantee/incentive split is usually for backups so they can be rewarded if they are forced to start (see Dalton)

Third - Incentives are not necessarily free against the cap. “Likely To Be Earned” incentives count in the same year they are offered. For a guy like Clowney you could offer him an incentive to repeat performance for the prior year and give big incentives off that but they apply in 2020 up front and have to be accounted for.

You could set some godly sack target out there and tie a big “Not Likely To Be Earned” incentive to it but what elite player is going to sign a deal like that?

Make no mistake, Clowney feels he is elite and he’s not going to just run off and sign some desperate deal with the Cowboys for comparative peanuts just because he will have a Star on his helmet.

Stop trying to make Clowney happen
It’s not gonna happen

 

[Bullflop]

If Dallas was willing to cut someone like Crawford, they could afford to pay Griffin what he wants. It's been said he wants around $10 million to sign with a team but it might be a bit steep for the Cowboys. I imagine they'd be willing to pay about $8 million if they were to cut Crawford. Perhaps that's a gamble they'd be willing to take to resolve their needs at RDE. If not, there are other alternatives for them to consider. Outside of Randy Gregory and Aldon Smith, rookie DE, Bradlee Anae, is one who might be capable in a rotational role.