Twitter: Stephen: Cowboys spending the amount in total players' salaries, regardless what we spend on Dak

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

That is what he has been saying all along by making comments like analytics showing you are less likely to win if you spend too much on a QB.

I don’t understand your confusion about a cap within a cap logic. We have to spend a certain amount over time no matter what, and there is always a cap on what we can spend each year. So how do you come up with a personal cap? That would only make sense if you thought Jerry was trying to save money and pocket the difference, but we are near the bottom in cap space right now.

Its called a budget. They may want to get into the season some to assess the team. Then see if they need to make any changes. With those changes in mind they may want to hold on to a set money amount.

FYI, there is about a 21 million dollar gap between the teams minimum and the league minimum on player salaries.

 

[Kevinicus]

Why is it that in all of these speculations that sportswriters and insiders have made about the negotiations and what has been offered has there been zero direct quotes from Jerry or Stephen?
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This thread is predicated on a direct quote from Stephen. There have been plenty of others.

They aren't going to come right out and say, "here's the contract we offered." Just because they don't smack you over the forehead with it, doesn't mean it's not there.

 

[Ranched]

 

[gjkoeppen]

That is a league wide rule not an individual team rule. The league must spend 95% of the cap on players. Which is why players get escalators at the end of the year from the league.

But individual teams must spend a minimum of 89% of their cap space per year on players. So Dallas could set their own personal cap in between 89% and 95%.

The league as a whole DOESN'T HAVE A CAP. The owners decide what they will do with their percentage of revenues and have nothing to do with the cap established for players. Per the CBA the players get 48.5% of the revenues generated by the NFL and THAT is what EACH team's year cap is based on and THAT is what teams are required to spend. Even though the minimum in the last CBA was 95%, it is for this season 88.8% but goes back to 90% starting in 2021. Those escalators you said come from the money that gets reverted back to the league from the teams the previous year who didn't spend the minimum amount required That unused money is returned to the league and then evenly divided to all the teams that did spend their minimum. The have to use the previous year because all teams have until the end of the season to spend their cap dollars. That is why we see some contracts sign towards the end of the season to get that minimum spent so they are only carrying the maximum amount for rollover. There was an interview about 2 years ago with Bob Costas and the league vice president of finance Anthony Cardillo where this was all explained.

 

[gjkoeppen]

This thread is predicated on a direct quote from Stephen. There have been plenty of others.

They aren't going to come right out and say, "here's the contract we offered." Just because they don't smack you over the forehead with it, doesn't mean it's not there.

At no time has Stephen or Jerry publicly stated the exact terms of any offer that they have made with the exception of an offer made at the beginning of the 2019 season that was rejected and Prescott told them he will not negotiate during the season so he could just concentrate on what he needed to do to play each week. All of the numbers and years bandied about by sportswriters have been nothing more than speculations. The quote you said this thread is based on is a quote about cap space in general and not any direct quote about the exact negotiations that have been ongoing.
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[Mobinvans]

Like Stephen knows anything about football or winning...

 

[fivetwos]

I think it means that they arent trying to save money by asking Prescott to play at a "discount."

They spend the same number anyway, so it isnt about money, it's about how many good players they can keep for that money because it is capped overall.

 

[Denim Chicken]

I believe he is trying to say:
- Dak's pay comes out of other people's pay
- Dak's pay has no impact on Jerry's wallet

Its a back handed slam on Dak and the "just pay him" group supporting Dak.

Its interesting that SJ has been turning more negative recently. They were really trying hard to not let this get acrimonious or spill into the public. That no longer seems to be the goal as there are public comments and salary offer/demand leaks that seem to be coming from the team. They seem to be trying to set the fanbase up so that if the negotiation fails, the team won't get the blame.

 

[Kevinicus]

At no time has Stephen or Jerry publicly stated the exact terms of any offer that they have made with the exception of an offer made at the beginning of the 2019 season that was rejected and Prescott told them he will not negotiate during the season so he could just concentrate on what he needed to do to play each week. All of the numbers and years bandied about by sportswriters have been nothing more than speculations. The quote you said this thread is based on is a quote about cap space in general and not any direct quote about the exact negotiations that have been ongoing.
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I think you don't have a strong grasp of what "negotiating through the press" means. It has nothing (well rarely anyway) to do with citing specific contract details.

 

[conner01]

Collective bargaining does have stipulations on the minimum amount of the cap a team has to spend. I believe that window got even tighter in the latest agreement, so yeah we are spending what we are spending. It’s about who gets what proportion of the pie.

So much is going to players
No matter how it’s structured
That’s basically true
But how that’s spread around does matter
That why the key to me is sign the guys to a second contract that you don’t think would be possible or probable to find in the draft
Churn the test through good drafting
But player salaries are not a simple as the best guy gets highest pay

 

[conner01]

At no time has Stephen or Jerry publicly stated the exact terms of any offer that they have made with the exception of an offer made at the beginning of the 2019 season that was rejected and Prescott told them he will not negotiate during the season so he could just concentrate on what he needed to do to play each week. All of the numbers and years bandied about by sportswriters have been nothing more than speculations. The quote you said this thread is based on is a quote about cap space in general and not any direct quote about the exact negotiations that have been ongoing.
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All I’ve seen is so called inside info on offers
In many cases in the past those have been wrong so who knows
I suspect they are close on money but structure is more the holdup
Money really doesn’t matter near as much as structure
Lots of NFL contracts look lots bigger than they ever pay out

 

[gjkoeppen]

I think you don't have a strong grasp of what "negotiating through the press" means. It has nothing (well rarely anyway) to do with citing specific contract details.

Going by what you said then all teams negotiate through the press. Just about all teams may say we've had talks with player or we're looking to get a long term deal but that isn't negotiating it's just giving as little information as they are willing to give about the process.
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[gjkoeppen]

All I’ve seen is so called inside info on offers
In many cases in the past those have been wrong so who knows
I suspect they are close on money but structure is more the holdup
Money really doesn’t matter near as much as structure
Lots of NFL contracts look lots bigger than they ever pay out

I don't put any stock in what "insiders" say because they have been wrong so many times. They're sort of like what people used to say about weathermen. They're only right about 10% of the time and they get to get their jobs.
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[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

The league as a whole DOESN'T HAVE A CAP. The owners decide what they will do with their percentage of revenues and have nothing to do with the cap established for players. Per the CBA the players get 48.5% of the revenues generated by the NFL and THAT is what EACH team's year cap is based on and THAT is what teams are required to spend. Even though the minimum in the last CBA was 95%, it is for this season 88.8% but goes back to 90% starting in 2021. Those escalators you said come from the money that gets reverted back to the league from the teams the previous year who didn't spend the minimum amount required That unused money is returned to the league and then evenly divided to all the teams that did spend their minimum. The have to use the previous year because all teams have until the end of the season to spend their cap dollars. That is why we see some contracts sign towards the end of the season to get that minimum spent so they are only carrying the maximum amount for rollover. There was an interview about 2 years ago with Bob Costas and the league vice president of finance Anthony Cardillo where this was all explained.

First off, I said nothing about owners in any of my post. I know cap dollars and owner earnings have nothing to do with one another.

Secondly, the NFL distributes all of that money among the teams like you said buy only after they give escalators to players that have earned them.

Question. Where do you think retirement funds come from? Players and owners right?

If every team only spins the 89% cap minimal that would leave almost 300 million dollars laying around. 95% of that left over money goes back to current players, one way or another. The other five goes to player retirement funds. So basically they put a cap on how much current players can get just so they could have a pension plan.

Now let's recap. Every team has a player budget of 198 million. 198 million times 32 equals 6 billion 336 million. Of that six billion current players can only get 95% of that. Meaning the league has a league wide cap of 95% while the rest goes toward retirement.

That's why the cap has a floor and a ceiling. The ceiling is set for pension purposes by the NFLPA.

Disclaimer....
I could be wrong. Maybe the NFL doesn't have a pension plan.--JK.

I know they do.

 

[Flamma]

What does that even mean? They have a cap within their cap?

It's a stupid answer. It's like me saying that I am spending my entire paycheck in Vegas regardless of what I spend on alcohol. Basically telling us nothing.

 

[Redball Express]

What does that even mean? They have a cap within their cap?

I think it means they have budgeted the rest of the positions and they have room to sign Dak no matter his cost.

They can afford $35 mil and can go further with redoing other contracts if needed to keep him.

This is interesting.

It means "Dak we are capable when we decide you deserve it. You are not ready for the biggest contract in professional sports yet. Prove it."

Right now he either plays for the Tag and man's up or he is released and they can move on and take his chances some other team signs him.

I think that says it.

Dallas has appeared to met him half way.

Now we wait and place our bets.

Like to know the Vegas odds Dak signs?

Time to make some money on that fool.

 

[Runwildboys]

I believe he is trying to say:
- Dak's pay comes out of other people's pay
- Dak's pay has no impact on Jerry's wallet

Its a back handed slam on Dak and the "just pay him" group supporting Dak.

Its interesting that SJ has been turning more negative recently. They were really trying hard to not let this get acrimonious or spill into the public. That no longer seems to be the goal as there are public comments and salary offer/demand leaks that seem to be coming from the team. They seem to be trying to set the fanbase up so that if the negotiation fails, the team won't get the blame.

I don't think that's what he means. I think he's just telling everyone to relax about what Dak gets paid, because they have to spend the money anyway.... It's a stupid way to look at it, but I think that's his point of view.

 

[gjkoeppen]

First off, I said nothing about owners in any of my post. I know cap dollars and owner earnings have nothing to do with one another.

Secondly, the NFL distributes all of that money among the teams like you said buy only after they give escalators to players that have earned them.

Question. Where do you think retirement funds come from? Players and owners right?

If every team only spins the 89% cap minimal that would leave almost 300 million dollars laying around. 95% of that left over money goes back to current players, one way or another. The other five goes to player retirement funds. So basically they put a cap on how much current players can get just so they could have a pension plan.

Now let's recap. Every team has a player budget of 198 million. 198 million times 32 equals 6 billion 336 million. Of that six billion current players can only get 95% of that. Meaning the league has a league wide cap of 95% while the rest goes toward retirement.

That's why the cap has a floor and a ceiling. The ceiling is set for pension purposes by the NFLPA.

Disclaimer....
I could be wrong. Maybe the NFL doesn't have a pension plan.--JK.

I know they do.

You have very strange ideas of how the NFL revenue is spent and divided. I used the 95% because that was what is was in the old CBA. I've since found that the new CBA the minimum amount for this season is 88.8% and it goes to 90% starting in 2021. That percentage is the percentage has to spend EACH year of their cap. Each team is allowed to rollover 5% of their cap each year and that 5% is added to the following year's cap and 90% of that has to be spent as part of the minimum for that year. Again those escalators come from the teams who did not spend the minimum amount the prior year and is surrendered to the league and that amount is divided equally among all the teams who did and the teams in turn issue those escalator checks to their players. The players get 48.5% and the owner get roughly 45% and that remaining 6.5% is used to contribute to the players pension plan and research on player safety. The owners take an unspecified amount off the top of their 45% share of revenue for league expenses and the rest is divided up among the teams and their owners. Again there was an interview about 2 years ago with Bob Costas and at the time the league vice president of finance Anthony Cardillo where this was all explained.
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[Kevinicus]

Going by what you said then all teams negotiate through the press. Just about all teams may say we've had talks with player or we're looking to get a long term deal but that isn't negotiating it's just giving as little information as they are willing to give about the process.
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Those aren't the type of comments anyone is referring to. Those are vastly different from things like what this thread is based on (Which is a fairly mild example).

And yes, most clubs do negotiate through the press on some contracts.

 

[ksg811]

Teams have to spend 95% of each years cap. They are allowed to carry over the other 5% because teams have to be allowed to have some kind of reserve if there is an injury during the season that sends a player to IR. The next year the teams has to spend 5% again of their cap and any rollover they had.
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This isn't correct. The 95% spending guarantee is league wide and it is also over a multi-year period, not yearly. 2020 is the last of a 4 year period (2017-2020) where teams must collectively spend 95% of the cap, which coincided with the final year of the old CBA. Per the new CBA, the spending guarantee is still 95% beginning in 2021 and broken down into 3, 3, and 4 year periods over the length of the 10 year CBA.

Under the old CBA, teams had a minimum spend of 89% concluding with the same 4 year period ending in 2020. In the new CBA, teams must now spend 90% of the cap over the same 3, 3, and 4 year periods. There is also no limit on cap rollover, so I'm not sure where you are getting 95% and 5% rollover.

The major consideration here is that these spending minimums are on a CASH basis, not cap space used. Cap space is accounted for on an accrual basis and there are no restrictions outside of the yearly cap.