14% of salary cap myth

[jterrell]

Whether those 27 players not winning a Super Bowl validates the claim is sort of irrelevant.

What is relevant, though, is the element of common sense when it comes to allocating funds in a restricted market.

Giving one player too much money will inherently make it more difficult to acquire/keep enough talent to sustain team success. Key words for those who love to argue: MORE DIFFICULT; not impossible. All-world talent like Mahomes or Brady or Favre were/are so good that they can take a bigger piece of the $$% and still have a chance to win Super Bowls, but that’s because they’re capable of putting the team on their back. In my opinion, Dak cannot do that, and that’s why he is unworthy of 14%+ of the cap.

Can boil that common sense down even more succinctly into if you don't have a good QB it is REALLY REALLY hard to win a Super Bowl.

Paying your QB is like getting old. No one chooses it but it beats the crud out of the alternative.

 

[kskboys]

how could the team have regressed if they went on and win the superbowl? you missed the point, yet again....

its been proven over and over, that paying QBs doesn't preclude you from winnign superbowls...perhaps not the year they signed the contract/extension, but in subsequent years.....otherwise only players on their rookie contract make it to the big dance....

its not that hard to understand the concept, but seems like you are set in what you want to say, and blind to any other lines of reasoning on purpose.

The saddest part of all is that you keep claiming I missed some point, but flatout refuse to name any point that I missed.

Your 2nd statement is unequivocally incorrect, and the exact opposite has been proven. Why do you insist on personal attacks and claiming incorrect data as facts w/ no backing?

You aren't giving any reasoning. If you are, then tell me what it is.

 

[kskboys]

Can boil that common sense down even more succinctly into if you don't have a good QB it is REALLY REALLY hard to win a Super Bowl.

Paying your QB is like getting old. No one chooses it but it beats the crud out of the alternative.

That is a tough one. Overpaying him also makes it very difficult.

And then you have a QB like Dak who is a bit unproven but wants to be paid as if he's a stud. Now what? Do you pay him what he wants and pray? What if you pay him and he doesn't take another step forward, so his play keeps you from the super bowl, then what?

This isn't as simple as "just pay him". Not that simple at all.

 

[HungryLion]

Manalive, did you see the regression in Flacco as soon as they dumped Boldin? And why did they dump him? So they could pay Flacoo.

This is a recurring theme. Something's gotta give when you pay players top dollar.

Flacco didn’t regress that much. He was always the same player. Flacco was meh is entire career. He wasn’t particularly good the year they won the Super Bowl either during the regular season.

to his credit, he got hot in the playoffs and had an amazing playoff run. But he wasn’t really that good of a QB before that or since then to be honest.

 

[kskboys]

Flacco didn’t regress that much. He was always the same player. Flacco was meh is entire career. He wasn’t particularly good the year they won the Super Bowl either during the regular season.

to his credit, he got hot in the playoffs and had an amazing playoff run. But he wasn’t really that good of a QB before that or since then to be honest.

19 TD's/22 INT's in 2013 says you are incorrect.

 

[Starforever]

Whether those 27 players not winning a Super Bowl validates the claim is sort of irrelevant.

What is relevant, though, is the element of common sense when it comes to allocating funds in a restricted market.

Giving one player too much money will inherently make it more difficult to acquire/keep enough talent to sustain team success. Key words for those who love to argue: MORE DIFFICULT; not impossible. All-world talent like Mahomes or Brady or Favre were/are so good that they can take a bigger piece of the $$% and still have a chance to win Super Bowls, but that’s because they’re capable of putting the team on their back. In my opinion, Dak cannot do that, and that’s why he is unworthy of 14%+ of the cap.

I believe Dak is more than capable, of carrying this team.

 

[Starforever]

That is a tough one. Overpaying him also makes it very difficult.

And then you have a QB like Dak who is a bit unproven but wants to be paid as if he's a stud. Now what? Do you pay him what he wants and pray? What if you pay him and he doesn't take another step forward, so his play keeps you from the super bowl, then what?

This isn't as simple as "just pay him". Not that simple at all.

Point out where Rayne Dakota Prescott, has regressed, in his career. He has proven himself, year after year, with terrible management and coaching.

 

[black label]

sign this dood its over man, jeez the years of recovery lol

 

[jterrell]

That is a tough one. Overpaying him also makes it very difficult.

And then you have a QB like Dak who is a bit unproven but wants to be paid as if he's a stud. Now what? Do you pay him what he wants and pray? What if you pay him and he doesn't take another step forward, so his play keeps you from the super bowl, then what?

This isn't as simple as "just pay him". Not that simple at all.

It really is that simple.
You simply have to pay your QB the going rate at the time.
It's why QB salaries keep going up.

Again Dallas and Dak aren't even arguing this. They both know he is getting 35 AAV.

And again the WHY they are arguing makes total sense.
They last 6 or 7 franchise QB deals have been 4 years minus 1.
Dak wants that 4 year deal.

BUT those deals were largely extensions so contained more than 4 years club control.
From Dak's standpoint it isn't his fault the team came with weak numbers and let him play out a cheapo 4 year deal all the way to free agency.
From the team's standpoint they don;t wanna locked into constant extensions and renegotiations as the cap continues to rise.


All this stuff makes sense but end of day you gotta pay the guy.
You didn't do so when you should have and it cost you big time.
Now you HAVE to pay him.

Dallas lets him walk and he goes and wins a couple Super bowls with say the Pats over the next 2 or 3 years then hits free agency again....
He would sign a massive, massive deal and Jerry is forever laughed out into the grave.

Dallas has no leverage and will sign the long-term deal.
Letting it get to this point was a huge Stephen Jones mistake.

If you don't sign the QB you have made all the other signings stupid and pointless.

Again Ryan Tannehill just got 29.5 AAV for 4 years with 3 years of that basically GTD.
He had 1 good season in a decade....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The saddest part of all is that you keep claiming I missed some point, but flatout refuse to name any point that I missed.

Your 2nd statement is unequivocally incorrect, and the exact opposite has been proven. Why do you insist on personal attacks and claiming incorrect data as facts w/ no backing?

You aren't giving any reasoning. If you are, then tell me what it is.

what part of 2nd statement is wrong? I did say, perhaps not in the year they signed and consumed 13% of cap, but in subsequent years. the point being that giving QBs large contracts doesn't preclude you to ever win a superbowl….

and what personal attacks? you are not backing your claim, and looking at it through a pin hole, at a very very specific data to support your assertion.....

this argument is done.....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

That is a tough one. Overpaying him also makes it very difficult.

And then you have a QB like Dak who is a bit unproven but wants to be paid as if he's a stud. Now what? Do you pay him what he wants and pray? What if you pay him and he doesn't take another step forward, so his play keeps you from the super bowl, then what?

This isn't as simple as "just pay him". Not that simple at all.

how is Dak unproven? that is a fallacy

 

[jterrell]

Point out where Rayne Dakota Prescott, has regressed, in his career. He has proven himself, year after year, with terrible management and coaching.

Dak had some legit holes in his game that were fairly pointed out with pocket presence and footwork breaking down.
But his work with Brady's personal QB Coach last off-season and Kitna during the year on his aggressiveness down the field he obliterated those concerns.

He struggled in a few games last year but two of them he was severely dinged in and the bar had moved from "well he doesn't pass for 200 yards" to did he get 300 yards and 2 passing TDs because that became HIS standard.

Dak did have to go prove it and he passed for 4900 yards with analytics in the top 10 across the board. Now they gotta pay the man. Dak is Rod Tidwell.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Dak had some legit holes in his game that were fairly pointed out with pocket presence and footwork breaking down.
But his work with Brady's personal QB Coach last off-season and Kitna during the year on his aggressiveness down the field he obliterated those concerns.

He struggled in a few games last year but two of them he was severely dinged in and the bar had moved from "well he doesn't pass for 200 yards" to did he get 300 yards and 2 passing TDs because that became HIS standard.

Dak did have to go prove it and he passed for 4900 yards with analytics in the top 10 across the board. Now they gotta pay the man. Dak is Rod Tidwell.

Well said.

 

[KJJ]

The only way they’re going to keep QBs from eating up a high percentage of the salary cap is to raise the cap considerably every year to keep up with the price of QBs or cap QB salaries.

 

[HungryLion]

19 TD's/22 INT's in 2013 says you are incorrect.

It’s laughable that you want to cherry pick one season, 2013. When Flacco had his best statistical season of his career, the following year in 2014 with no Anquan Boldin. That kind of
Blows your entire argument out of the water doesn’t it?


I could just say 27 TD’s 12 ints and a 68.2 QBR (highest of his career) in 2014 says you’re incorrect.

 

[Nav22]

So Matt Ryan eclipsed that 14% number when he took the Falcons to the Super Bowl.

I suppose they blew that 28-3 lead because Ryan was making too much money.

 

[Starforever]

Dak had some legit holes in his game that were fairly pointed out with pocket presence and footwork breaking down.
But his work with Brady's personal QB Coach last off-season and Kitna during the year on his aggressiveness down the field he obliterated those concerns.

He struggled in a few games last year but two of them he was severely dinged in and the bar had moved from "well he doesn't pass for 200 yards" to did he get 300 yards and 2 passing TDs because that became HIS standard.

Dak did have to go prove it and he passed for 4900 yards with analytics in the top 10 across the board. Now they gotta pay the man. Dak is Rod Tidwell.

Don't know if you are supporting what I said, or just making a point.

 

[DandyDon52]

one possibility is that Dak wants to play on the tag this year.
He thinks he can have a good year with MM and better defense, and would get a better offer next off-season.
What if he got dallas to SB and lost close game and he played good, what kind of contract would he get the next year??
on the tag he would make around 28-33 million which probably sounds pretty good to him right now.

 

[DandyDon52]

So Matt Ryan eclipsed that 14% number when he took the Falcons to the Super Bowl.

I suppose they blew that 28-3 lead because Ryan was making too much money.

well if they had another defensive star or 2 they might have stopped the NE comeback.

 

[kskboys]

It’s laughable that you want to cherry pick one season, 2013. When Flacco had his best statistical season of his career, the following year in 2014 with no Anquan Boldin. That kind of
Blows your entire argument out of the water doesn’t it?


I could just say 27 TD’s 12 ints and a 68.2 QBR (highest of his career) in 2014 says you’re incorrect.

You're the one who claimed his next year after losing Boldin was just as good. It wasn't. He lost Anquan because he got paid.

Now read that several times, and just maybe you'll be able to quit making false claims.