Daks accuracy is a curse or a blessing?

[Redball Express]

This stuff goes on and on and the debate flames higher.

I want to mention something I posted in another thread..

we were discussing DAKs supposed accuracy and I said..

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Remember at the pre-SB interviews?

They asked him to throw at a target to show how accurate he was.

He barely could hit the wall much less the target.

He quickly left the interview and made a complete fool of himself.

I LMAO.

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I am sure some of you saw this SB week.

Dak lovers point to his high accuracy. Haters talk about throwing in the dirt, over throws in endzones and over receiver's heads.

I see both sides.

But what really throttles me with Dak is his perpetual slow starts.

He spots the other team 10-14 pts and then the other team goes to a prevent defense and we have to throw against soft coverage just to get within 3 points..

then half the time the FG guy would botch the kick and lose.

We had 8 losses last year. Half were like that.

So whether you love or hate Dak..if he gets the praise he also has to take the blame. Change the subject if you want to Garrett or Moore is the reason.

But Dak has the ability to change the play and do something but often..

Nothing really changes.

Should we be concerned with Dak and his in-game management as well?

Ok, enough.

Go ahead, flex your fingers and take a bite.

Consider this just a preseason fan feast.

Over to you.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

This stuff goes on and on and the debate flames higher.

I want to mention something I posted in another thread..

we were discussing DAKs supposed accuracy and I said..

------------------------------------
Remember at the pre-SB interviews?

They asked him to throw at a target to show how accurate he was.

He barely could hit the wall much less the target.

He quickly left the interview and made a complete fool of himself.

I LMAO.

----------------------------------------

I am sure some of you saw this SB week.

Dak lovers point to his high accuracy. Haters talk about throwing in the dirt, over throws in endzones and over receiver's heads.

I see both sides.

But what really throttles me with Dak is his perpetual slow starts.

He spots the other team 10-14 pts and then the other team goes to a prevent defense and we have to throw against soft coverage just to get within 3 points..

then half the time the FG guy would botch the kick and lose.

We had 8 losses last year. Half were like that.

So whether you love or hate Dak..if he gets the praise he also has to take the blame. Change the subject if you want to Garrett or Moore is the reason.

But Dak has the ability to change the play and do something but often..

Nothing really changes.

Should we be concerned with Dak and his in-game management as well?

Ok, enough.

Go ahead, flex your fingers and take a bite.

Consider this just a preseason fan feast.

Over to you.

and all of those slow starts are Dak's fault? nothing to do with coaches? how they call the game? our scheme? making the wrong crucial call in the games.....and to prove you wrong..here is the starts in all of our losses

Saints: Cowboys down 9-3 at half time.....wow a whole points down...how many botched calls in that game...that one is fully on coaches and their stupidity...
GB: cowboys down 17-0 at half. Yes, that was a bad start and lots of missed opportunities in the first half.
Jets: cowboys down 21-6 at half.....that was one of the worst coached games I have ever seen this staff do. offensively, defensively, special teams. you could see the frustration in players eyes by the 3rd quarter, and thinking *** are the coaches doing
Minn: down 17-14 at half time.
NE: Down 10-6 at half time....that was another badly coached game....awful awful awful...garrett should have been fired right after that game
Bills: down 13-7 half time...and in fact dallas was up 7-0 at the end of first quarter
Bears - Down 17-7 at half time, but dallas was leading 7-0 at the end of first quarter.....and that was another badly coached game. I felt so sorry for Smith, who was always caught in no man's land and was targeted all night. Richard and Marinelli should have been fired at half time
Eagles: down 10-6 at half time.....another poor game plan, offensively we had no idea what to do, making random calls, seemed like Moore and Garrett were fighting each other all game...


so this fallacy of he spots the other team 10-14 points is total BS as its obvious...but hey, that's how the spin goes.

 

[Bullflop]

I can't say what might ultimately come of Dak's contractual attempts but if I were Jerry and/or Stephen, I'd be inclined to go with the tag.

Until he's proven that his inconsistencies are just a remnant of the past, I'd be highly reluctant to accommodate his exorbitant demands.

 

[jazzcat22]

He spots the other team 10-14 pts and then the other team goes to a prevent defense and we have to throw against soft coverage just to get within 3 points..

Over to you.

You lost me right here, I stopped after this.

So it is all Dak's fault?
What about coaching and the rest of the offense and play execution, play calling, Garrett being stupid.

HOWEVER, is Dak out there playing defense to give up those points?

Come on, all this Dak crap is way too old.
Almost to the point I don't even want to look in as often as I do to get any real football news.

Think I will avoid anything on the front page anymore, unless it says SIGNED and posted by a MOD.

 

[Established1971]

This stuff goes on and on and the debate flames higher.

I want to mention something I posted in another thread..

we were discussing DAKs supposed accuracy and I said..

------------------------------------
Remember at the pre-SB interviews?

They asked him to throw at a target to show how accurate he was.

He barely could hit the wall much less the target.

He quickly left the interview and made a complete fool of himself.

I LMAO.

----------------------------------------

I am sure some of you saw this SB week.

Dak lovers point to his high accuracy. Haters talk about throwing in the dirt, over throws in endzones and over receiver's heads.

I see both sides.

But what really throttles me with Dak is his perpetual slow starts.

He spots the other team 10-14 pts and then the other team goes to a prevent defense and we have to throw against soft coverage just to get within 3 points..

then half the time the FG guy would botch the kick and lose.

We had 8 losses last year. Half were like that.

So whether you love or hate Dak..if he gets the praise he also has to take the blame. Change the subject if you want to Garrett or Moore is the reason.

But Dak has the ability to change the play and do something but often..

Nothing really changes.

Should we be concerned with Dak and his in-game management as well?

Ok, enough.

Go ahead, flex your fingers and take a bite.

Consider this just a preseason fan feast.

Over to you.

the slow starts are a legit concern, and the Dak lovers should acknoweldge that is an issue. Sure its not all him, but if he and/or the team could play with a lead during the first half and not rely on comebacks can you imagine how far this team could go. Heck it would put Dak in the top 5 in qb rating every year

 

[Section446]

Dak is a dark cloud hanging over the franchise right now. You're going to tie up a ton of cap space for a guy who needs to be carried to victory.

 

[HungryLion]

Dak “spots the other team 10-14 point leads”?

The defense has to allow those scores for the other team to have 14 point leads.

It reminds me of the lame and ignorant arguments about the “slow start” against Green Bay in the 2016 playoffs.

The offense scores a FG on the opening drive. Then 2 drives without scoring.

the defense allows TD, TD, TD on the first 3 drives.

So the offense has 2 drives without scoring and the team is down 21-3.

then knuckle draggers go “see Dak allowed the Packers to have a 21-3 lead because of a slow start”

 

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

CeeDee Lamb looks nothing like a wall so I'm not worried.

 

[plasticman]

Every QB that threw at those targets had the same results......0 receptions.

Winning football games has little to do with throwing at a target. Dak 's ability to improvise should never be taken for granted and his escapability is a major factor in his completion percentage. Nobody is chasing you when you are throwing at a target and the majority of quarterbacks would not be as accurate as Dak.

There were 30 occasions last season in which Dak was able to find a receiver that got into the endzone, 4th best in the NFL so I wouldn't say his game management was a detriment.

Seriously, Dak is tied for 2nd in combined game winning drives and 4th quarter comebacks over the course of his career which started as a rookie. It's not how you start, it's how you finish. If we are going to judge him by last season alone then, in all fairness, do the same with Dalton....in which case we should all be terrified if Dak doesn't sign.

 

[Idgit]

I don’t generally think of either accuracy or slow starts as being particular problems for Dak. He has trouble hitting players in stride on crossing routes, and he can’t throw a decent fade. But overall, he’s plenty accurate.

He was labeled as inaccurate coming out of college, but I don’t see it in his game anymore. He makes a ton of big time throws.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Dak “spots the other team 10-14 point leads”?

The defense has to allow those scores for the other team to have 14 point leads.

It reminds me of the lame and ignorant arguments about the “slow start” against Green Bay in the 2016 playoffs.

The offense scores a FG on the opening drive. Then 2 drives without scoring.

the defense allows TD, TD, TD on the first 3 drives.

So the offense has 2 drives without scoring and the team is down 21-3.

then knuckle draggers go “see Dak allowed the Packers to have a 21-3 lead because of a slow start”

don't you know...its never defense, special teams or coaches or the game plan....its all Dak...if we lose 34-32, its Dak's fault for not scoring 35 and if we lose 18-15, its that Dak can't get any scoring....that's how the spin goes

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

CeeDee Lamb looks nothing like a wall so I'm not worried.

Are you telling me receivers can adjust to the ball and make the catch anyway? Even if it is a bad throw? I never knew that.

I wonder if some of these guys calling Dak inaccurate know he might be placing the ball where he's placing it, because he don't want to get his receivers killed. I wonder if they know Dak might have to throw the ball off target on purpose, because there was a defender in the throwing lane.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I don’t generally think of either accuracy or slow starts as being particular problems for Dak. He has trouble hitting players in stride on crossing routes, and he can’t throw a decent fade. But overall, he’s plenty accurate.

He was labeled as inaccurate coming out of college, but I don’t see it in his game anymore. He makes a ton of big time throws.

I had similar concerns about Dak last summer. in fact I was proponent of waiting until end of the year to see how he does, with Kitna as his QB coach.....most of Dak's accuracy problems were due to his footwork and inconsistency in his footwork. Kitna explicitly worked with him on that and it became obvious as the year went on, and his improvement....the stats bear that.....with that said, I said at the time, I rather wait and give him a few more million/year than sign and regret....seeing the improvements, now I have faith in him and overpaying a bit now, doesn't matter....we have our guy for the next 4 or 5 years....lets make a run......

now I am sure the pundits will come up with 13% of salary cap stats, and slow starts, 8-8 record and this and that...yet ignoring the previous years results and ignoring coaching which is one item and one point I have asked these pundits over and over again and they ignore given they know that will negate anything they claim....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Dak is a dark cloud hanging over the franchise right now. You're going to tie up a ton of cap space for a guy who needs to be carried to victory.

how is he exactly carried to victory? he was weighed down by incompetent coaching and schemes for 4 years....last year, with slight changes to the offense, we were #1 offense and #2 passing offense in the league..

but hey,its all Dak.


unless you are advocating that we should have kept garrett given this dark cloud. I guess firing garrett was a mistake given this dark cloud

 

[TwoDeep3]

This stuff goes on and on and the debate flames higher.

I want to mention something I posted in another thread..

we were discussing DAKs supposed accuracy and I said..

------------------------------------
Remember at the pre-SB interviews?

They asked him to throw at a target to show how accurate he was.

He barely could hit the wall much less the target.

He quickly left the interview and made a complete fool of himself.

I LMAO.

----------------------------------------

I am sure some of you saw this SB week.

Dak lovers point to his high accuracy. Haters talk about throwing in the dirt, over throws in endzones and over receiver's heads.

I see both sides.

But what really throttles me with Dak is his perpetual slow starts.

He spots the other team 10-14 pts and then the other team goes to a prevent defense and we have to throw against soft coverage just to get within 3 points..

then half the time the FG guy would botch the kick and lose.

We had 8 losses last year. Half were like that.

So whether you love or hate Dak..if he gets the praise he also has to take the blame. Change the subject if you want to Garrett or Moore is the reason.

But Dak has the ability to change the play and do something but often..

Nothing really changes.

Should we be concerned with Dak and his in-game management as well?

Ok, enough.

Go ahead, flex your fingers and take a bite.

Consider this just a preseason fan feast.

Over to you.

You truly need a hobby which does not involve typing, posting, or replying to posts on a message board.

I hear bocce balls are a fascinating way to spend time in your declining years.

 

[OmerV]

The OP talks about too many things to address them all, but on the general topic of Dak's accuracy …

1. Dak is not the most deadly accurate QB.

2. What happens in games is much more important than what happens goofing around off the field.

3. While Dak does occasionally throw a pass that is far enough off target that the viewer ends up scratching his head, those occasional passes tend to stick out in people's mind and create an impression that it happens more than it actually does.

4. The occasional tendency to throw a bit behind receivers on crossing patterns is a timing issue that can be worked on.

 

[Qcard]

Dak lovers point to his high accuracy.

Haters talk about throwing in the dirt, over throws in endzones and over receiver's heads.

I see both sides.

Mistake......both sides don't have equal and valid points.

One side is fact based and the other Hate based....

You are bringing garbage context in an effort to start a dumpster fire conversation.

We are using a Superbowl throwing game as a sign of accuracy

How about this nugget....Andy Dalton has thrown 14 PICKS 6s....

 

[HungryLion]

I had similar concerns about Dak last summer. in fact I was proponent of waiting until end of the year to see how he does, with Kitna as his QB coach.....most of Dak's accuracy problems were due to his footwork and inconsistency in his footwork. Kitna explicitly worked with him on that and it became obvious as the year went on, and his improvement....the stats bear that.....with that said, I said at the time, I rather wait and give him a few more million/year than sign and regret....seeing the improvements, now I have faith in him and overpaying a bit now, doesn't matter....we have our guy for the next 4 or 5 years....lets make a run......

now I am sure the pundits will come up with 13% of salary cap stats, and slow starts, 8-8 record and this and that...yet ignoring the previous years results and ignoring coaching which is one item and one point I have asked these pundits over and over again and they ignore given they know that will negate anything they claim....

Nailed it on the footwork. It has improved markedly from when he entered the league. It was his biggest weakness. And while he still has improvement to some. He HAS shown an ability to improve his footwork.

 

[charron]

It's more than 1 persons fault.

 

[America's Cowboy]

This stuff goes on and on and the debate flames higher.

I want to mention something I posted in another thread..

we were discussing DAKs supposed accuracy and I said..

------------------------------------
Remember at the pre-SB interviews?

They asked him to throw at a target to show how accurate he was.

He barely could hit the wall much less the target.

He quickly left the interview and made a complete fool of himself.

I LMAO.

----------------------------------------

I am sure some of you saw this SB week.

Dak lovers point to his high accuracy. Haters talk about throwing in the dirt, over throws in endzones and over receiver's heads.

I see both sides.

But what really throttles me with Dak is his perpetual slow starts.

He spots the other team 10-14 pts and then the other team goes to a prevent defense and we have to throw against soft coverage just to get within 3 points..

then half the time the FG guy would botch the kick and lose.

We had 8 losses last year. Half were like that.

So whether you love or hate Dak..if he gets the praise he also has to take the blame. Change the subject if you want to Garrett or Moore is the reason.

But Dak has the ability to change the play and do something but often..

Nothing really changes.

Should we be concerned with Dak and his in-game management as well?

Ok, enough.

Go ahead, flex your fingers and take a bite.

Consider this just a preseason fan feast.

Over to you.

How long ago was that Red? 2017? Dak has been working on his passing and improved since then. You sound foolish making fun of him when all stats show he is among the most accurate come game time.