This would be the ultimate offseason move for this team

[PJTHEDOORS]

So, you must agree that your post was pointless.

You whining over why someone makes a comment that doesn't follow your criteria,, now that's pointless.

 

[kskboys]

You whining over why someone makes a comment that doesn't follow your criteria,, now that's pointless.

Criteria? Holy cow, did you miss this one.

Your whining about me pointing out the flaw in your post, now that's pointless!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Criteria? Holy cow, did you miss this one.

Your whining about me pointing out the flaw in your post, now that's pointless!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nah, your ignorance is yours.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I didn't notice McClay or Stuphen making that call with the 3rd round pick in the 2019 draft. I did notice his son leaning in the direction of taking the trade and then Booger spoke and that was done. McClay built that draft board but he doesn't run it.

McClay had tons of input on the McGovern pick.

Yes Jerry made the call. He is the face of the franchise, like I said in my post. He will always do the media stuff, which I also said in my post.

Being the face of the franchise doesn't mean he is the iron fisted GM of the Dallas Cowboys any more.

 

[CouchCoach]

We all hope Booger has learned to let people do their job and hold them accountable for that. We hope he has learned that if you hire the right people, you get out of their way and let them do the job you hired them to do.

The problem with Booger isn't meddling as much as it's celebrityitis. He can't stand not being the face of the team, the center of attention. Back when Parcells was HC and had fired Broaddus and he was appearing on Galloway's radio show, he said people on the inside were concerned with Booger's health because Parcells replacing him as the face and voice of the team has sent him spinning. He was hooked on being in the spotlight, being the center of attention and having reporters laughing at him while he thought they were laughing along with him.

Most owners of sports teams shy away from that but that's his favorite part of the job. Showing off from his boat during the draft, getting reporters on Booger's Boogie Bus so he could tell them it cost 1M and trying to impress everyone else that he's what he thinks he is.

I can tell you part of that is age. You cross that 70 point, you get a little different, you get a little more sensitive to the age remarks and there have been many here I've had to ignore because I assume they don't really mean that the way I first read it.

Booger is relevant and that is as important as air to some people. He sees his relevancy through the media, continuing to be the face and voice of the franchise. I do not think he feels more alive than when someone is asking him questions and he feels he still matters.

 

[Bobhaze]

Being hung up on who carries the title of General Manager for the Cowboys is beyond tired. Get over it already. The Cowboys have split the conventional duties of General Manager between Will McClay (player acquisition) and Stephen Jones (contract negotiations). The one major failure of the Cowboys management model since Stephen and McClay took over was giving the Head Coach the authority he needs to build a staff. And the Cowboys have now done that with the hire of Mike McCarthy.

The fact that Jerry retains the GM title doesn't matter. In today's NFL, EVERY owner is deeply involved in the mega-million dollar contracts. It would be irresponsible for them to remain detached. The Clint Murchison hands-off model is as dead today as head-hunting safeties, focusing on the run game, and allowing hits on the QB. It's a relic of times past.

Jerry, who is in the Pro Football Hall of Fame because of his major impact on marketing and building both the NFL brand, and maximizing NFL revenue (which, by the way, is also allowing playet salaries to skyrocket), can retain the title of GM because he does so much more than jusy manage football operations. He manages the business of the Cowboys, including corporate sponsorships, corporate partnerships, stadium and property management for both Arlington and Frisco developments, entertainment venue management (all the non-football stadium revenue generated in both Arlington and Frisco), other entertainment entities (multi-media productions and outlets), and public philanthropy. Honestly, there is not a single person more qualified to fill that role than Jerry Jones.

He has delegated more than 95% of the daily football operations to Stephen, McClay and McCarthy. Pining for the good old days of having a hands off owner is as worthless and futile as wishing offenses still ran the single wing. It's not only a waste of time; it's downright stupid.

Jumbo, I agree that Jerry’s role as GM has evolved and he has delegated more. Will McClay is doing an excellent job with scouting and talent acquisition which has been the centerpiece of our uptick with drafts the last near decade. From that standpoint, Jerry has made progress. It remains to be seen if Jerry has learned to not overstep his boundaries in the locker room as he clearly did with Jason Garrett.

The point of this thread was hoping with the hiring of Big Mac, Jerry will allow his new accomplished HC to operate without the same level of meddling he did with Garrett. It undermines the head coach to be standing in the locker room (or just outside) as the owner/GM, immediately after the game, and make comments that tend to undermine that coach’s authority. Surely I don’t need to cite chapter and verse of that long history of Jerry saying things that were not helpful to his head coach’s authority.

You’re right- Jerry Jones is in the HOF for his accomplishments as an innovative businessman in the NFL. In fact he is clearly a business and marketing genius. If he would only understand the universal organizational truth that people at the top are not always “helpful” by keeping their hands in every major activity of their organization. The owners winning the last 24 Super Bowls have seemingly learned that if they want to win a Lombardi, they better not be the de facto “face of the franchise.” I’m hoping Jerry will realize that.

 

[CouchCoach]

McClay had tons of input on the McGovern pick.

Yes Jerry made the call. He is the face of the franchise, like I said in my post. He will always do the media stuff, which I also said in my post.

Being the face of the franchise doesn't mean he is the iron fisted GM of the Dallas Cowboys any more.

Was he ever iron fisted? I don't see that. He's always had his voices he's listened to and acted accordingly.

McClay had more than tons of input, that is his draft board, his responsibility. Booger elected to go with him over the others in that room wanting to take the trade down, including his son.

But to think anyone is going to have the say in the final decision but Booger is to ignore the man. He has never backed off "jocks to socks" since he bought the team. He didn't buy it to have it for someone else to run like the majority of the other owners.

There has been this wishful thinking that he has been relinquishing control to Stuphen and McClay but just because he has administered duties, doesn't mean he's relinquished any control. Neither makes a final decision without his approval and approval is the definition of absolute control.

 

[Pantone282C]

I'm really not understanding your point. Of course he has the right to meddle, why did you feel the need to point that out? The point of this thread is that meddling by Jerry has derailed us. No one has said he doesn't have the right, but the foolishness of it is causing us to lose. So, what point is being made by pointing out the right to meddle? I seriously don't understand it.

Yup, he has a right to "meddle" or make GM decisions - his title says as much. It's that he hasn't been very good at it - as you indicated, it's been his foolish decisions at times. He recently said that he thinks he has learned some lessons from previous mistakes. He didn't elaborate, but it seems to me that he has learned to let go of some stuff. We will see.

 

[Ranching]

All or Nothing was staged with regards to Jerry. He does not attend meeting every week like the show implied.

It falls under the heading of my comment that Jerry maintains 1st dibs on camera and microphone time.

The RB coach could be seen being Zeke's buddy more than his boss. If somebody really wanted to discipline Zeke, it was not the RB coach.

I did not say NEVER with regards to post Parcells. Jerry loved the attention that TO brought to the team. Parcells didn't really reject the idea, he just didn't encourage it either.

Signing/drafting players is the job of the front office/GM and Garrett was only the Head Coach just like McCarthy was ONLY the Head Coach in Green Bay.

I also said that the final piece to Stephen Jones being in complete control of football operations was when he pushed Garrett out.
- I think we all know that Jerry would have just given Garrett a new contract if nobody else was involved in the decision.

There was extreme meddling by Jerry from 1994 (post Jimmy) up to 2003 when Parcells was hired. I wouldn't be shocked to find out Jerry was calling the plays during the Campo era.

Everything since Parcells has been fraction of what it was when Jerry established his reputation for "meddling".

FYI, signing Greg Hardy was a good move. Hardy was a good player on the field. That move would likely happen even with Stephen Jones or Will McClay in complete control. Again, Garrett was not the GM or assistant GM or in the personnel department.

Wow!! Love the insight! Don't forget to wipe the top of the toilet bowl. Keep up the good work.

 

[conner01]

I keep thinking that at some point JJ will look in the mirror and realize that his ways of meddling are the biggest reason this team hasn’t returned to playoff glory. So many careers of great players have been wasted the last two decades plus. If he can’t see that he’s the biggest problem we’ve had, we will probably keep getting similar results.

Here’s to hoping...

I have to say I’ve been impressed with jerry this off season
I think he respects MM enough to listen to him which is a start
And he hasn’t been out front as much so far
Maybe the old dog has learned

 

[ArtClink]

Since our Cowboys last won a SB, there have been 24 other SB winners. Here’s a not so surprising fact about the owners of the last 24 SB winning teams:

• Those owners all hired someone besides themselves to be the general manager.

The good news is, we certainly have had some good things to celebrate this offseason. Just look at the highlights of the last several months:

• We finally got rid of an incapable HC.
• We hired a bonafide NFL HC with skins on the wall.
• We had an outstanding draft.

And that’s just to name a few good offseason outcomes.

But the best thing that could come out of this offseason is a fundamental truth about why we haven’t been able to return to the glory days of yesteryear. That truth is our owner has meddled and micromanaged his head coaches too much, while making himself the face of the franchise.

So here’s hoping the business genius that owns the Cowboys wakes up and realizes that he’s got the most financially valuable sports franchise in the world because he’s a great businessman. But he must also realize he hasn’t been to a Super Bowl in a quarter of a century because he micromanages and meddles way too much.

If at 78, Jerry can learn how to let his very qualified HC run the locker room, we actually have a much better chance of getting back to the playoff glory we all want.

That would be the best offseason move we have had in a very long time.

Jerry can hire a new GM but until Jerry is 6 feet under, I will be convinced he hired a puppet GM and he's pulling all the strings.

Future hope rests with Stephen. He hasn't shown any qualifications to be an NFL GM other than he is frugal with salary cap money. Well that's probably 10% of what great GMs do but I'm willing to wait and see. God knows we Cowboys fans have a "til death do us part" pact with the Jones family, hubris and all.

 

[TwoDeep3]

OK, so Jerry...does not renew Garrett's contract, and hires MM as HC and allows him total control to hire his own staff.
Is this not what we would want from any GM if he were to bring one in?

They stay the course about not overpaying FA's and keep their own more so than lose them, not any that would be a difference maker anyway.
Is this not what we would want from any GM if he were to bring one in?

They ran the draft far better by JERRY sticking to the board as it was prepared for the team?
Is this not what we would want from any GM if he were to bring one in?


So what is the problem?

The problem that has been with this team since Jimmy left is Jerry allows the players to have direct communication with him, which undermines the head coach.

This is the age old saga of the kids going back and forth between Mom and Dad to play one against the other, so the kids get what they want.

The team sits at a crossroads here. Jerry has allowed the head coach autonomy and to work with McClay.

But if this fork in the road sends the team down a path of success, will Jerry stand back and allow that success, or will he inevitably step forward so he can conduct press conferences, and announce changes before the head coach, which returns the team to the split leadership, and neuters the head coach.?

Then this team is back where it was, and all that greatness and newness in the way the team has been run will evaporate under the glaring heat of Jerry wanting the world to finally think he is a football man.

A mirage looks like water a half mile down a sun baked road.

The fan base will need to wait and see if the Evil One will remain silent, only coming out when the team hoists the Lombardi.

Or will his evil heart and lust for recognition push aside all the good that was done to once again ruin this team's future?

 

[Bobhaze]

The problem that has been with this team since Jimmy left is Jerry allows the players to have direct communication with him, which undermines the head coach.

This is the age old saga of the kids going back and forth between Mom and Dad to play one against the other, so the kids get what they want.

The team sits at a crossroads here. Jerry has allowed the head coach autonomy and to work with McClay.

But if this fork in the road sends the team down a path of success, will Jerry stand back and allow that success, or will he inevitably step forward so he can conduct press conferences, and announce changes before the head coach, which returns the team to the split leadership, and neuters the head coach.?

Then this team is back where it was, and all that greatness and newness in the way the team has been run will evaporate under the glaring heat of Jerry wanting the world to finally think he is a football man.

A mirage looks like water a half mile down a sun baked road.

The fan base will need to wait and see if the Evil One will remain silent, only coming out when the team hoists the Lombardi.

Or will his evil heart and lust for recognition push aside all the good that was done to once again ruin this team's future?

Jerry has a heroin-like addiction to reporters, cameras and microphones. And I don’t think he’s open to an intervention that includes rehab.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Since our Cowboys last won a SB, there have been 24 other SB winners. Here’s a not so surprising fact about the owners of the last 24 SB winning teams:

• Those owners all hired someone besides themselves to be the general manager.

The good news is, we certainly have had some good things to celebrate this offseason. Just look at the highlights of the last several months:

• We finally got rid of an incapable HC.
• We hired a bonafide NFL HC with skins on the wall.
• We had an outstanding draft.

And that’s just to name a few good offseason outcomes.

But the best thing that could come out of this offseason is a fundamental truth about why we haven’t been able to return to the glory days of yesteryear. That truth is our owner has meddled and micromanaged his head coaches too much, while making himself the face of the franchise.

So here’s hoping the business genius that owns the Cowboys wakes up and realizes that he’s got the most financially valuable sports franchise in the world because he’s a great businessman. But he must also realize he hasn’t been to a Super Bowl in a quarter of a century because he micromanages and meddles way too much.

If at 78, Jerry can learn how to let his very qualified HC run the locker room, we actually have a much better chance of getting back to the playoff glory we all want.

That would be the best offseason move we have had in a very long time.

Here's the problem with the first thing you said. Jones as owner and GM has THREE Super Bowl wins and ZERO losses, while owner Clint Murchison with an actual GM has only TWO Super Bowl wins and THREE losses. Not to mention that during Murchison's time there was no salary cap or free agency so he could build a good team up without any worries about losing players in free agency or having to release a player because of a cap.

Now it's obvious you have a very strong dislike for Jones. There are some things he's done that I didn't like but to put all of the blame for not winning another Super Bowl is just hatred talking. There is more than enough blame to go around from head coaches, to coordinators, special teams coaches, players, the scouting department with their recommendations on who to draft and yes bad calls in games. You're going to come back with Jones then should have fired those coaches but you just pointed out that Jones sticks his nose into things to much. Now if you just mean head coaches then you would want to be another browns who fire their head coach every other year and never get any better. What do you think the players on the browns think when they keep getting new head coaches. Gee I wonder how many games it will take before he gets fired. When a team hires a new head coach there usually is a big turnover on the other coaches and then there's the new systems, plays and verbiage that has to be learned.

Yes I'm disappointed that the Cowboys haven't won several more Super Bowls, but to put all the blame on one person isn't realistic or right.
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[MoistMayonnaise]

Already did the ultimate off-season move, did not extend Garrett. This set up all the good things that happened after.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

@Bobhaze The Cowboys have been having good to great drafts for many, many years.
Parcells said Jerry is not a meddler and had no problem working for him.
Jerry is a good GM and like all GMs makes mistakes occasionally.
Yes, I think Jerry was wrong for hiring Garrett and keeping him here for 10 years.

So, why have the Cowboys not won a SB for so long? I don't really know. The Cowboys have had numerous teams talented enough to win SBs these past 24 years. Sometimes, the cards just don't fall right, some bad luck, some bad coaching decisions, some bad FA or draft picks not working out, etc.

My only guess is that at this point a good number of players when they become Cowboys don't work as hard as they should and maybe think that being a Cowboy is the tops and they don't need that SB victory to crown their career. I think maybe the money and fame with being a Cowboy weighs more than a SB ring. Just a hunch. My cousin who lives in Dallas said years ago that Dallas (the city and people who live there) treats Cowboy players like gods.

There is no GM school. Jerry has dedicated his life's work to being a GM. He has seen more football than most GMs. Jerry has played the game, lived the game, and breaths NFL.

I have asked many anti-GM Jerry complainers what makes a good GM? Played the game? Watches how much film? Was a scout? Studied what in college? They never have an answer as to what traits make a good GM. Pretty much all they do is pick a SB winning GM and say that guy.

 

[blueblood70]

@Bobhaze The Cowboys have been having good to great drafts for many, many years.
Parcells said Jerry is not a meddler and had no problem working for him.
Jerry is a good GM and like all GMs makes mistakes occasionally.
Yes, I think Jerry was wrong for hiring Garrett and keeping him here for 10 years.

So, why have the Cowboys not won a SB for so long? I don't really know. The Cowboys have had numerous teams talented enough to win SBs these past 24 years. Sometimes, the cards just don't fall right, some bad luck, some bad coaching decisions, some bad FA or draft picks not working out, etc.

My only guess is that at this point a good number of players when they become Cowboys don't work as hard as they should and maybe think that being a Cowboy is the tops and they don't need that SB victory to crown their career. I think maybe the money and fame with being a Cowboy weighs more than a SB ring. Just a hunch. My cousin who lives in Dallas said years ago that Dallas (the city and people who live there) treats Cowboy players like gods.

There is no GM school. Jerry has dedicated his life's work to being a GM. He has seen more football than most GMs. Jerry has played the game, lived the game, and breaths NFL.

I have asked many anti-GM Jerry complainers what makes a good GM? Played the game? Watches how much film? Was a scout? Studied what in college? They never have an answer as to what traits make a good GM. Pretty much all they do is pick a SB winning GM and say that guy.

 

[Ranched]

If at 78, Jerry can learn how to let his very qualified HC run the locker room, we actually have a much better chance of getting back to the playoff glory

 

[blueblood70]

the ultimate move was made Garett let go a vet sb winning hc was hired and was given the freedom to hire the entire staff , solid FA pickups to fill the gigantic holes were added, and appears the draft went well at least on paper.

I agree with the others that say Jerry hasn't meddled in among time and mistakes he made with few FAs are made by every GM at one point and yes against the HC wishes at times..

 

[mcmvp]

The meddling crap is overblown bye the fans and the media.

I doubt it. I bet he meddles more than people even realize