I was just wondering if it's the older fans who see what I see in Dak

[Cebrin]

I just can’t take anyone seriously who questions Dak’s leadership. His leadership may be his greatest strength.

I was just about to say this. It's literally his best quality. If you want to gripe about foot work, and being slow at going through progressions, that's fine. Though he's considerably better at both of those things now, than in year 1, and 2. I think he's a pretty darn good QB. Better than I expected, which was very litte.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

We took the ball went ahead. And then it was up to the defense to have the final stop. And most of the times they didn’t do it. When we had the ball last in his career we’ve done very well I believe

Like I said, maybe if we'd paid more for Defensive Starters and less for Tony, maybe we wouldn't have had that problem.

 

[Dre11]

Somebody commit this dude, he has serious issues

 

[speedkilz88]

Somebody commit this dude, he has serious issues

He's a long time troll from the ranch which Mike Fisher abandoned for SI. He was notorious for multiple user names.

 

[Dre11]

He's a long time troll from the ranch which Mike Fisher abandoned for SI.

Yeah I know, I was there through it all. The Chinese drywall, suppose quitting of the Cowboys for the Vikings, all the tolling.

 

[Diehardblues]

I'm 53- almost 54 years old. I have been a fan of the Cowboys since the early 70's- when I was old enough to know about them.
I've seen the likes of Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Namath, Pat Haden, Danny White, Joe Montana, Brian Sipe, Dan Pastorini, Craig Morton, John Elway, Joe Theismann, Billy Kilmer, Ron Jaworski, Doug Williams, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, and others like Brett Favre on their best and worst days.
It's not that Dak can't learn. He's a great athlete.
But I don't see in him the instincts of any of the quarterbacks I just mentioned in regards to leadership skills and making a team better.
I'm just curious if it's the older generation that sees what I see?
One thing Dak does better is that he doesn't throw many interceptions, but I am not sure if that comes from the fact that he strictly follows the route tree or is just more aware.
But he doesn't seem to have "it" when it comes to leadership.
But is it the older guys who see what I see?
Just curious.

I’m 66. And his leadership skills look fairly strong to me. He’s game savvy and a playmaker. He’s just not a Prolific Passer .

We definitely can win with him. We’ve won 2 division titles and twice came fairly close to making the championship game.

He has some flaws and needs a strong supporting cast. But I think we can have more success with him. Would I rather have a more Elite passer. Of course.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

I’m 66. And his leadership skills look fairly strong to me. He’s game savvy and a playmaker. He’s just not a Prolific Passer .

We definitely can win with him. We’ve won 2 division titles and twice came fairly close to making the championship game.

He has some flaws and needs a strong supporting cast. But I think we can have more success with him. Would I rather have a more Elite passer. Of course.

Disagree.

 

[Whirlwin]

Did you really just write three separate responses to my post? Sorry, but you're wrong. Don't know what else to tell you.

If you think he played well. That’s your prerogative to think so. No I was responding to two or three people my cowboy brother. Posts get twisted sometimes. And cross-referenced. But you are wrong. Opinions aren’t wrong they just opinions. Facts. Under reported correctly that’s why it’s wrong

 

[pitt33]

Outside of Rodgers, Wilson, Brady, Brees and Mahomes, who does impress you that much?

You can always count the number of elite quarterbacks playing at any time on just one hand. In any decade no less.

 

[OmerV]

You can always count the number of elite quarterbacks playing at any time on just one hand. In any decade no less.

And of those you can count on one hand entered the league between 15-20 years ago, so that says even more how rare it is. Only one of those was drafted in the last 8-9 years.

 

[Diehardblues]

You can always count the number of elite quarterbacks playing at any time on just one hand. In any decade no less.

Elite QB’s is a subjective description . It’s usually associated with great passers who are on teams that win a championship.

Id argue there’s several other potential Elite passing ability QB’s.

 

[Diehardblues]

And of those you can count on one hand entered the league between 15-20 years ago, so that says even more how rare it is. Only one of those was drafted in the last 8-9 years.

But that’s based on what you or I might define as Elite. We could probably present an argument there’s been more potential Elite QB’s drafted in last decade than Mahomes.

I doubt many of us would place Dak in that group.

 

[OmerV]

Elite QB’s is a subjective description . It’s usually associated with great passers who are on teams that win a championship.

Id argue there’s several other potential Elite passing ability QB’s.

Of course, passing ability isn't the only factor - decision making, mental toughness, leadership, making something out of nothing etc, are just as important as having the better arm - really more so unless the arm is just a wet noodle. But what you say is true, and if any number of QBs won a championship they would suddenly be viewed in that "elite" category - including Dak.

 

[OmerV]

But that’s based on what you or I might define as Elite. We could probably present an argument there’s been more potential Elite QB’s drafted in last decade than Mahomes.

I doubt many of us would place Dak in that group.

I think many people would place Dak in the group behind Rodgers, Mahomes, Brees, Brady and Wilson. I think there are about 7-8 QBs in that next group, and reasonable people can put those in almost any order without being too out of bounds.

 

[Diehardblues]

I think many people would place Dak in the group behind Rodgers, Mahomes, Brees, Brady and Wilson. I think there are about 7-8 QBs in that next group, and reasonable people can put those in almost any order without being too out of bounds.

I can’t imagine too many beyond some Cowboy fans placing him in that top group.

Dak would be more suitable in the next group at best.

 

[OmerV]

I can’t imagine too many beyond some Cowboy fans placing him in that top group.

Dak would be more suitable in the next group at best.

What do you mean by "top group"? If you are talking about the group with Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Mahomes and Wilson, I agree completely. But I think a lot of people would place him in the same group with the next 7-8.

 

[basel90]

So all those losses are on Dak?

He is the QB and wants to be the top paid player in the NFL . Am not saying he is alone responsible for the losses . But not scoring one TD in so many games , not engineering any comebacks , all mean he is a meandering bus driver with some decent skills , but not a top 10 QB , and not worthy of top dollars .
No elite QB I recall has such a plethora of alarming games .

 

[Dre11]

He is the QB and wants to be the top paid player in the NFL . Am not saying he is alone responsible for the losses . But not scoring one TD in so many games , not engineering any comebacks , all mean he is a meandering bus driver with some decent skills , but not a top 10 QB , and not worthy of top dollars .
No elite QB I recall has such a plethora of alarming games .

so he's the only one not scoring the td's? what about the wr drops, the line allowing sacks.

as far as combacks

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...tt-now-has-led-nine-fourth-quarter-comebacks/

 

[TexasBoys2288]

I'm 53- almost 54 years old. I have been a fan of the Cowboys since the early 70's- when I was old enough to know about them.
I've seen the likes of Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Namath, Pat Haden, Danny White, Joe Montana, Brian Sipe, Dan Pastorini, Craig Morton, John Elway, Joe Theismann, Billy Kilmer, Ron Jaworski, Doug Williams, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, and others like Brett Favre on their best and worst days.
It's not that Dak can't learn. He's a great athlete.
But I don't see in him the instincts of any of the quarterbacks I just mentioned in regards to leadership skills and making a team better.
I'm just curious if it's the older generation that sees what I see?
One thing Dak does better is that he doesn't throw many interceptions, but I am not sure if that comes from the fact that he strictly follows the route tree or is just more aware.
But he doesn't seem to have "it" when it comes to leadership.
But is it the older guys who see what I see?
Just curious.

I'm old as dirt and have to disagree. I think Dak's leadership is his best quality. He seems to throw behind everyone, not the most accurate but gets the job done.
Is he worth top money? No

 

[CowboyRoy]

Zeke is a happy go lucky, big kid at heart. He's not a dummy or bad person in any way imo. I like those kinds of personalities. Is he a bit immature on occassion? Surely. But he's growing up. Can't deny his abilities.

I am actually not overly impressed with his abilities. Toughness, durability, strength, he is tops in all those things.

But like any other RB he depends on blocking. And he doesn't make enough big plays. Is rarely unstoppable despite playing in a great offense with a very good Oline.