Comparing Zeke to HOF RBs

[Whirlwin]

I didn’t

How about we give him those two years on the contract with MM before you proclaim him a bust.

We just spent 5-6 years beeching about how terrible the coaching was. Well...terrible HOW? Was clapping the only terrible thing? Well....no....right? Play calling game management. Might not help him constantly tripping over his own ego and not seeing any holes....but maybe better management can open things up a little bit more.

He's here, let's give him a clean slate...sort of cheer him on a little bit. What the he11, live life on the edge.

I didn’t say he was a bust . In fact I said if I needed a third down I would give him the ball. He has his purpose. I like the rookie as a compliment. I just don’t think Elliot is the best thing since sliced bread. And I have settled so we don’t know what the talent is like on this team with the coaching we’ve had. But as an individual. You can judge certain players. He’s not the same running back his first season. For whatever reason in my opinion he’s just not

 

[Whirlwin]

Yeah I’m having three conversations at once sorry my cowboy brother family

 

[Super_Kazuya]

lol Are you saying Smith had a five year career and then was average

I'm saying he had the best five year run of anyone who ever lived (4 rushing titles, an MVP, and 3 Super Bowls) and then was considerably below average.

 

[Whirlwin]

I'm saying he had the best five year run of anyone who ever lived (4 rushing titles, an MVP, and 3 Super Bowls) and then was considerably below average.

I don’t think he was below average. I think he was below his average.

 

[Whirlwin]

I'm saying he had the best five year run of anyone who ever lived (4 rushing titles, an MVP, and 3 Super Bowls) and then was considerably below average.[/
1990 Dallas 16 241 937 3.9 11 24 228 9.5 0
1991 Dallas 16 365 1563 4.3 12 49 258 5.3 1
1992 Dallas 16 373 1713 4.6 18 59 335 5.7 1
1993 Dallas 14 283 1486 5.3 9 57 414 7.3 1
1994 Dallas 15 368 1484 4.0 21 50 341 6.8 1
1995 Dallas 16 377 1773 4.7 25 62 375 6.0 0
1996 Dallas 15 327 1204 3.7 12 47 249 5.3 3
1997 Dallas 16 261 1074 4.1 4 40 234 5.9 0
1998 Dallas 16 319 1332 4.2 13 27 175 6.5 2
1999 Dallas 15 329 1397 4.2 11 27 119 4.4 2
2000 Dallas 16 294 1203 4.1 9 11 79 7.2 0
2001 Dallas 14 261 1021 3.9 3 17 116 6.8 0
2002 Dallas 16 254 975 3.8 5 16 89 5.6 0
2003 Arizona 10 90 256 2.8 2 14 107 7.6 0
2004 Arizona 15 267 937 3.5 9 15 105 7.0 0
Career Total 226 4,409 18,355

 

[Whirlwin]

I'm saying he had the best five year run of anyone who ever lived (4 rushing titles, an MVP, and 3 Super Bowls) and then was considerably below average.

It looks like he had 12 great seasons. And then the last four were average

 

[Super_Kazuya]

It looks like he had 12 great seasons. And then the last four were average

If you are defining a great season as “got a whole lot of carries” then yes. Otherwise no. Not that there isn't something to be said for showing up every day and not getting hurt. But to paraphrase Buzzie Bavasi, he could have been replaced by 2 generic 500 yard, 4.0 YPC backs and no one would have noticed.

 

[Ranching]

I don't know you from Adam or Eve and yet I'm supposed to read what you actually wrote and then say I'm going to use my mental telepathy powers and look into your mind to see that you were joking. So every time a user write something bad about a player they're just joking and we should all know this because of that mental telepathy thing. If you want to say something as a joke then either word it like a joke or say it's a joke or use the lol. But don't call people names because they took what you actually wrote to mean what you actually wrote.
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I'm Adam and you're Eve. Comprende?

 

[khiladi]

https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/20...ys-ezekiel-elliott-expected-points-added-epa/

Last year was an anomaly plus somewhat distorted. Even though Zeke ran into less percentage of stacked boxes than other RBs, sheer volume means more.

Dallas simply ran into stacked boxes predictably way too much. Romo would have audibled out of plenty of them. Dak has wasted Zeke’s career basically.

 

[khiladi]

Also, to point out in year 1, 1000 of Zeke’s yards came after the first hit. And he led the league in broken tackles at over 50.

Constantly running into stacked boxes at over 304 rushes for example in 2018 will take its toll. It’s purely ridiculous to argue Zeke is purely a product of his offensive line. Zeke will get you three yards instead of 1 and your 3rd and 5, becomes third and three.

Rushing success is often predicated by the number of defenders in the box. According to Next Gen Stats, Elliott faced eight defenders in the box on 24.67 percent of his rush attempts.

No one above him on this list had more than 215 carries.

Considering that Elliott had 304 rushes, the number of stacked boxes he had to face throughout the season was demoralizing. This does explain some of his efficiency woes in 2018, and the hope is that Moore can scheme up some better looks in the run game.

Elliott’s rushing EPA simply states that as a team, the Cowboys were not as efficient. Despite seeing so many stacked boxes, Dallas continued to run right into them.

 

[kskboys]

Would you rather have someone like Barkley who dances around and gets hit at the line of scrimmage but bursts out a huge play every game

Or

Someone like zeke who is a chain moving punishing back. You can hit him at the line but hes going to pick up 2 yards.

Ide rather have a grinder moving the chains then someone who has like 30yards rushing the entire game then all of a sudden rips a 50yard run

Zeke's style is absolutely more conducive to playoff success than Barkley's.

 

[khiladi]

Would you rather have someone like Barkley who dances around and gets hit at the line of scrimmage but bursts out a huge play every game

Or

Someone like zeke who is a chain moving punishing back. You can hit him at the line but hes going to pick up 2 yards.

Ide rather have a grinder moving the chains then someone who has like 30yards rushing the entire game then all of a sudden rips a 50yard run

Don’t forget, completely wears out the defense by the fourth quarter. He may not rip them out, but he’ll allow the offense to move down the field with ease by the last half of the fourth quarter.

In fact, Philadelphia Eagles safety Malcolm Jenkins believes his NFC East rival is the top physical runner in football. In a July 19 appearance on NFL Game Pass' Film Sessions (h/t Eagles Wire's Glenn Erby), Jenkins said:

"I'd say Ezekiel Elliott is probably the No. 1 contact back in the league right now. He's looking to punish guys. He's not trying to juke you. He'll jump over you every now and then if you keep trying to go low, but he's fine with just punishing the defender at the end of it."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...wboys-ezekiel-elliott-is-nfls-best-contact-rb

 

[khiladi]

I'm saying he had the best five year run of anyone who ever lived (4 rushing titles, an MVP, and 3 Super Bowls) and then was considerably below average.

When he landed on his head against the Bears, I thought he was never the same. He used to regularly leap over piles, but I don’t remember him doing it after that day.

https://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/03/sports/smith-hurt-as-bears-upset-the-cowboys.html

 

[Bullflop]

I'm not at all sure Zeke is a big believer in observing strict persistence when it comes to taking care of his body.

Not that I'm present to see what he does on a daily basis! I guess it's his partying reputation that puts me in doubt.

 

[Aviano90]

The only thing Zeke is missing is big plays. Blaming stacked boxes, QBs, the line, play calling or anything else is absurd. He needs to be able to break a tackle, make a move, out run a defender, stiff arm, etc to break one away. If he had several long runs a year, his efficiency increases and it would compliment his power game.

He is an exceptional back minus that one element that has been missing from his game since his rookie year.

 

[aria]

Zeke's style is absolutely more conducive to playoff success than Barkley's.

And what style is that? Not breaking tackles? Not being elusive? Not being good in short yard situations? Not being good at yards after contact? Getting worn down? Perhaps a fumble?

 

[JBond]

How many of those RB's was fat and happy and lost a step by the time they were 3 years in?

Zeke will be gone from Dallas in 2 years and then his career will fall apart.

Zeke has already declined.

20+ runs have fallen off a cliff. He is a power back now.

 

[aria]

20+ runs have fallen off a cliff. He is a power back now.

20+ yard runs
2016- 14
2019- 4

And we still have people that say “I’d rather have a guy who can get short yards than break off long runs”. Yet I’ve already posted several stats that show he’s not even top 10 in short yard situations. His supporters are running out of excuses for paying him so much and using the #4 overall pick on him but they refuse to admit it or believe it, I don’t know which.

 

[kskboys]

And what style is that? Not breaking tackles? Not being elusive? Not being good in short yard situations? Not being good at yards after contact? Getting worn down? Perhaps a fumble?

Your definition of the word "style" is poor.

Attacking the LOS.

Zeke is excellent at all the things you listed if he gets his act together. I have no idea if he will.

 

[buybuydandavis]

He was 2nd team All Pro
Maybe they only list 1st team?
Then also 5 Pro Bowls....I get that ProBowls are weird, but far less so for RBs than QBs

I dont care either way on Gore, just giving an opionion.
3rd all-time leading risher
Very good receiver
And one of the very best ever pass protecting RBs
All Decade Team

They do have him as 2nd Team All Pro. They have a little All Pro Team table. for each player.

In their All Pro Monitor, they don't tally 2nd Team All Pro, just 1st Team.

Let's say 2nd best in the league one year, never in the top 2 again, a few other pro bowls. Never led the league in rushing yards, was only 3rd in 2006, never in the top 5 again. Never led the league in any stats.

Tony made 2nd team All Pro in 2014, top in the league for passer rating and QBR, and top 5 5 times and 4 times respectively. But for longevity, Tony was just a better player. And he's even a much bigger part of the NFL's story than Gore.

HOF should be about players who are in the discussion of elite players for a few years. Maybe you could give Gore 2 years, and that's generous. He's been a quality grinder for a long time. That shouldn't get you into the HOF.