50 Execs, Coaches, Players rank the best RB's

[TheMarathonContinues]

You call him a slick man, I call it something else but instead he'll just be put on ignore.

 

[khiladi]

You got excuses for everything opposing Dak for some reason...so within the 20 was Mahomes and Russell better than Dak? Yes or no?

Dak was mediocre in the red zone. He was Ryan Fitzpatrick level despite throwing for all those yards. That is a fact. No matter what you try and argue, that is reality. Dallas was 16th in red zone scoring and on the road, they were 22nd. Dak has hovered at 50% from the 20 and 10 for two years running and he regressed this year from 10 yards out.

If they were worse, please explain how Seattle was fifth in red zone scoring and KC was 11th? Mahomes didn’t even play two games and threw 100 less attempts than Dak and doesn’t even have a RG that Dak does and neither does Russell and they still put the ball in the end zone from the red zone to be ahead of Dallas.

 

[Corso]

You call him a slick man, I call it something else but instead he'll just be put on ignore.

His new claim is now since two of the 4th quarter comebacks don't fit his criteria that all of them are a wash. Just an absolute waste of time. Lol

Don't you put him on Ignore!
I like people dropping mick/macks on our boy. He can take it and so few do it.

This has been some wonderful back and forth and I would like to see this continue throughout threads!

Yes! I am making a selfish request.

 

[khiladi]

https://sportdfw.com/2019/12/04/dallas-cowboys-red-zone-problem/

Dak’s been so good running the ball in the red zone, teams have taken notice. They are now shadowing Dak – especially when the Cowboys go 11 personnel and spread out the defense. Opponents are essentially daring Dak to beat them outside through the air. How’s it working?

Dak’s made his living off Zeke and now that they have taken away his ability to run, by shadowing him in the red zone, he can’t even put the ball in the end zone, while shadowing him.

 

[khiladi]

You call him a slick man, I call it something else but instead he'll just be put on ignore.

His new claim is now since two of the 4th quarter comebacks don't fit his criteria that all of them are a wash. Just an absolute waste of time. Lol

Says the guy who claimed that Dak led the Cowboys back against the Vikings, while losing. Talk about criteria...

Notice also how you ignored the fact that Dak checked into run per the evidence and then threw it at Zeke’s feet, looking at him the whole way, like he did against the Bils.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Dak was mediocre in the red zone. He was Ryan Fitzpatrick level despite throwing for all those yards. That is a fact. No matter what you try and argue, that is reality. Dallas was 16th in red zone scoring and on the road, they were 22nd. Dak has hovered at 50% from the 20 and 10 for two years running and he regressed this year from 10 yards out.

If they were worse, please explain how Seattle was fifth in red zone scoring and KC was 11th? Mahomes didn’t even play two games and threw 100 less attempts than Dak and doesn’t even have a RG that Dak does and neither does Russell and they still put the ball in the end zone from the red zone to be ahead of Dallas.

Ok I'll ask a different way this time. Are Mahomes and Russell Wilson mediocre in the redzone too? Are they Ryan Fitzpatrick level?

 

[khiladi]

Ok I'll ask a different way this time. Are Mahomes and Russell Wilson mediocre in the redzone too? Are they Ryan Fitzpatrick level?

Again,

Dak was mediocre in the red zone. He was Ryan Fitzpatrick level despite throwing for all those yards. That is a fact. No matter what you try and argue, that is reality. Dallas was 16th in red zone scoring and on the road, they were 22nd. Dak has hovered at 50% from the 20 and 10 for two years running and he regressed this year from 10 yards out.

If they were worse, please explain how Seattle was fifth in red zone scoring and KC was 11th? Mahomes didn’t even play two games and threw 100 less attempts than Dak and doesn’t even have a RG that Dak does and neither does Russell and they still put the ball in the end zone from the red zone to be ahead of Dallas.

And:

https://sportdfw.com/2019/12/04/dallas-cowboys-red-zone-problem/

Dak’s been so good running the ball in the red zone, teams have taken notice. They are now shadowing Dak – especially when the Cowboys go 11 personnel and spread out the defense. Opponents are essentially daring Dak to beat them outside through the air. How’s it working?


Dak’s made his living off Zeke and now that they have taken away his ability to run, by shadowing him in the red zone, he can’t even put the ball in the end zone, while shadowing him.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Ok I'll ask a different way this time. Are Mahomes and Russell Wilson mediocre in the redzone too? Are they Ryan Fitzpatrick level?

Lol he still can't answer it, again.

STOP WASTING YOUR TIME ROCY!!

Dak is average in the redzone because he doesn't get much practice, he always scores for 40+ yards out LMAO

 

[khiladi]

8 TDs and 8 INTs against play-off teams. Padded stats against the Bills and the likes of the Bears, Commanders, and Jets...

 

[aria]

Don't you put him on Ignore!
I like people dropping mick/macks on our boy. He can take it and so few do it.

This has been some wonderful back and forth and I would like to see this continue throughout threads!

Yes! I am making a selfish request.

He was already on my ignore list, I couldn’t take it anymore and finally had to see who it was. Why do you think I’ve been so oddly quiet? I thought about taking him off ignore but figured it wasn’t worth the headache. Sorry for your bad luck @QuincyCarterEra and @rocyaice

 

[buybuydandavis]

Smith has played 13 games for the last three seasons. The claim Smith was the bigger reason is not substantiated at all. The Cowboys lost 28-6 against the Chargers with Smith in the lineup. They simply couldn’t beat winning teams without Zeke and Dak as QB. Against the Chargers, Dak checked his way down to 179 yards and 2 INTs.

There three wins came against horrific teams with Smith playing and Dak put up 93 yards against the Commanders with Smith in the game. Dak was 11 for 22 that game. Dak struggled against the Giants and Raiders and against the latter, had a 59.5 passer rating , including 2 INTs, and if Carr touched the pylon, they would have lost to the Raiders.

Against Seattle, with both Smith and Zeke and a winning team, Dak threw for 181 yards on 34 attempts and 2 INTs. If you actually look at the play by play, the first 6 points were Zeke heavy drives that moved down the field, both times having to settle for FGs because of INC on manageable situations. The only time a Dak led dominant drive without Zeke led to a score was with less than 2 minutes left and Seattle was playing prevent.

Then in the third Dak sacked himself twice into a FG and chucked an INT the very next series after in Seattle scoring territory. Then Dak threw it 19 times in the fourth quarter.

You just want to ignore the substantiation about Smith.
3-1 w/o Zeke, with Tyron
0-1 with Zeke, w/o Tyron

Wins are wins, whether against winning or losing teams. You have *no* substantiation that Zeke was more important.

You want to talk about everything *but* Zeke in Seattle. The INT returned for a TD was on an attempt to Zeke. He barely squeezed out 4 yards per carry, after have 6 weeks of rest. Season on the line, Zeke doesn't show up.

 

[Whirlwin]

Oh, so that's why he scored all of 6 TD's rushing last year.

For a bad Giants team. Not too bad

 

[Whirlwin]

Did they win the game? I love Saquon. Big Penn St fan. He will break a big run every game when they limit his carries. The issue is when you give him the ball multiple times it will slow him down similar to Elliott. Unlike Elliott, I don’t think Saquon will hold up over 16 games. I would never compare him to Barry. Just like I would not compare Zeke to Emmitt. Those guys played when defenses were stop the run first. We have played the Giants four times since Saquon been in the league and he has one special play each of those games. Take those away he has done nothing. He reminds me of OBJ. Spectacular player but overrated.

I could. That one run to Barry. I agree I wouldn’t compare his career. Don’t get the two mistaken

 

[HellCrowe]

Did someone post the rankings on QBs?

 

[khiladi]

You just want to ignore the substantiation about Smith.
3-1 w/o Zeke, with Tyron
0-1 with Zeke, w/o Tyron

Wins are wins, whether against winning or losing teams. You have *no* substantiation that Zeke was more important.

You want to talk about everything *but* Zeke in Seattle. The INT returned for a TD was on an attempt to Zeke. He barely squeezed out 4 yards per carry, after have 6 weeks of rest. Season on the line, Zeke doesn't show up.

Tyron has missed 3 games for 3 straight years.

Of course who we played and how Dak played while Zeke was suspended matters. What type of absurd logic is that? They couldn’t beat a single team and Dak scrubbed against the Commanders, passing for 90 yards while Smith was in. He was absolute garbage for six straight games, including when Smith was in. He couldn’t beat a winning team when Zeke was out and lost to Chargers when Smith was in.

And do what if the INT return was to Zeke? That was because Dak sailed it over his wide open head like three feet while the Cowboys were winning and into the arms of the defenders. The fact you blame Zeke on that INT shows the ridiculous agenda.

Zeke was averaging like 5 YPC the whole first half, but Checkdown Charlie kept throwing incomplete on second and third down. The only time the guy ever moves the ball is under two minutes before the half, when Seattle played soft zone.

Then he threw another INT, throwing it behind Dez and sacked himself twice on another drive after being gifted a 40 plus *** interference on Cole Beasley.

Dak absolutely STUNK IT UP when Zeke was suspended and STUNK IT UP when Smith didn’t play and played.

The argument is not that the Cowboys are invincible without Zeke, the argument is Dak scrubs without Zeke. He also sucked when he didn’t have Cooper. He pretty much scrubs when he’s not surrounded by elite talent.

 

[Ranched]

Saquon number 1? What has he done but led the Giants to two top six 6 picks, get coach fired, and been injured. He is a home run threat I give you that but he rarely grinds anything out. Henry, Zeke, and CMC have done much more in the same period of time he has been in the league.

 

[khiladi]

You just want to ignore the substantiation about Smith.
3-1 w/o Zeke, with Tyron
0-1 with Zeke, w/o Tyron

Wins are wins, whether against winning or losing teams. You have *no* substantiation that Zeke was more important.

You want to talk about everything *but* Zeke in Seattle. The INT returned for a TD was on an attempt to Zeke. He barely squeezed out 4 yards per carry, after have 6 weeks of rest. Season on the line, Zeke doesn't show up.

And of course you completely ignore the fact Smith has played 13 games the last three years and in 2018, the three games he didn’t play, Dallas won all three, including against the Saints.

 

[khiladi]

Saquon Barkley’s boom or bust reputation goes back before the Giants.

https://www.inquirer.com/philly/spo...te-football-nittany-lions-saquon-barkley.html

http://www.statecollege.com/news/co...man-positive-campaign-negative-yards,1474281/

At that juncture of the season, Barkley had an 8.4-yard rushing average on 50 carries for 489 yards. Just 14 of his rushes had gone for a yard or less.

Since the fourth quarter in Iowa City, Barkley has been mostly a different back — save for one big run a game. More accurately, opposing defenses have caused him to be different.

Over the past 17 quarters, Barkley has run for 297 yards on 76 carries, a deceiving 3.9 yards per carry. Of that total, three runs — 53 yards vs. Northwestern, 69 vs. Michigan and 36 vs. Ohio State — account for 158 yards, which is 53% of his overall rushing yardage during that time. Three runs = half of all yards. Not a formula for success.

Saturday night, Barkley The Runner hit rock bottom. In the second half, he carried the ball 14 times for minus 3 yards. Seven of his last 10 carries were for negative yardage. When Penn State tried to run out the clock, it couldn’t. Not even with arguably the best player in college football.

But yeah, it’s the Giants even though teams defend them heavy with two deep cover zone. Keep believing this guy is better than Zeke or could sustain himself at Zeke’s pace or force the man coverage looks Zeke has been doing since he got here. Dak against zone defenses has been mediocre.

https://sportdfw.com/2018/10/24/dallas-cowboys-zone-coverage-is-daks-kryptonite/

 

[baltcowboy]

I could. That one run to Barry. I agree I wouldn’t compare his career. Don’t get the two mistaken

If you get a chance look at the greatest runs in NFL history on YouTube. Both Barry and Emmitt have multiple runs. I think Bo Jackson and Beast Mode might have the most. Big Derek Henry has two 90 yard runs I believe.

 

[baltcowboy]

Tennessee is rated 26th, what Is your point. Henry led the league in rushing.