A part of the Dak Negotiation that wasn't discussed much

[OmerV]

Another poster brought this up in another thread, and it's an interesting aspect of Dak's negotiation that doesn't seem to have been discussed much, but it's not unreasonable to wonder if, without the threat of the season not taking place at all, the Cowboys would have taken the 5th year off the table and signed Dak. As it is they may have worried that if the 2020 season isn't played that with a 4 year contract they would have effectively only had Dak committed for 3 seasons.

It's probably a waste of key strokes for me to write this, but if all you have for this thread is something like "Jerry just screwed it all up", or "Jerry just decided Dak sucks", or "Dak doesn't want to play in Dallas" please let it go in favor of some discussion on this topic. Obviously there was a desire to get a deal done, whether 4 or 5 years, or the two sides wouldn't have held out the possibility of a deal until the deadline.

 

[Diehardblues]

Another poster brought this up in another thread, and it's an interesting aspect of Dak's negotiation that doesn't seem to have been discussed much, but it's not unreasonable to wonder if, without the threat of the season not taking place at all, the Cowboys would have taken the 5th year off the table and signed Dak. As it is they may have worried that if the 2020 season isn't played that with a 4 year contract they would have effectively only had Dak committed for 3 seasons.

It's probably a waste of key strokes for me to write this, but if all you have for this thread is something like "Jerry just screwed it all up", or "Jerry just decided Dak sucks", or "Dak doesn't want to play in Dallas" please let it go in favor of some discussion on this topic. Obviously there was a desire to get a deal done, whether 4 or 5 years, or the two sides wouldn't have held out the possibility of a deal until the deadline.

Are we allowed to openly discuss this type of scenario outside the designated forum? Most threads pertaining to the effects of such are closed or moved.

 

[OmerV]

Are we allowed to openly discuss this type of scenario outside the designated forum? Most threads pertaining to the effects of such are closed or moved.

I honestly wondered that too, but I felt that because we were relating it to Dak's contract rather than just a discussion of whether the season would happen or not, or of other aspects unrelated to football, that it might be treated as a viable Cowboy topic.

I don't know, maybe this topic was brought up before and the reason I didn't see the discussion was because it got moved. I guess we will see.

 

[OmerV]

I've messaged the Admins to get a determination on whether this thread violates any rules.

 

[Aviano90]

Waiting on response from admins.

 

[glimmerman]

I think the 5th year is so that when he got back to the table again we could start negotiating and maybe extend in around year 4 and the 5th year would give a extra year to spread the contract out because if we sign him again the floor will be even higher than now.

 

[OmerV]

I think the 5th year is so that when he got back to the table again we could start negotiating and maybe extend in around year 4 and the 5th year would give a extra year to spread the contract out because if we sign him again the floor will be even higher than now.

There was a reason the Cowboys wanted the 5th year all along, I just don't know if things were more certain this year if they would have backed off that with the time on the clock winding down. I have to believe the uncertainty of things worked against Dak.

 

[Redball Express]

Another poster brought this up in another thread, and it's an interesting aspect of Dak's negotiation that doesn't seem to have been discussed much, but it's not unreasonable to wonder if, without the threat of the season not taking place at all, the Cowboys would have taken the 5th year off the table and signed Dak. As it is they may have worried that if the 2020 season isn't played that with a 4 year contract they would have effectively only had Dak committed for 3 seasons.

It's probably a waste of key strokes for me to write this, but if all you have for this thread is something like "Jerry just screwed it all up", or "Jerry just decided Dak sucks", or "Dak doesn't want to play in Dallas" please let it go in favor of some discussion on this topic. Obviously there was a desire to get a deal done, whether 4 or 5 years, or the two sides wouldn't have held out the possibility of a deal until the deadline.

By now..

It's pretty obvious both sides are happy.

More happy would be better. Just not now.

We must wait and see what is going to happen to this season.

My bets are it will be scrapped.

The NFL actually does need a pre-season now if only to know if what they have in place will work.

Cranking everything up with a season that may end immediately if an entire team goes into quarantine which is likely..

just seems a waste of money to me.

Hey..maybe the NFL wants some big write offs and wants the loss going forward.

 

[glimmerman]

There was a reason the Cowboys wanted the 5th year all along, I just don't know if things were more certain this year if they would have backed off that with the time on the clock winding down. I have to believe the uncertainty of things worked against Dak.

We never heard much about the final offer with the time running out. Just that he wanted to get that deal done. Wondering if maybe they left the offer the same but like you mentioned they dropped the 5th year and decided to chance it whether there was a season. I think there will be one just a slightly different one.

 

[Hennessy_King]

I've messaged the Admins to get a determination on whether this thread violates any rules.

Why would this violate rules? This is actually one of your better posts. Normally they're trash.

On that note, I feel this is maybe what they are thinking but real front offices around the league were able to get deals done.

 

[OmerV]

We never heard much about the final offer with the time running out. Just that he wanted to get that deal done. Wondering if maybe they left the offer the same but like you mentioned they dropped the 5th year and decided to chance it whether there was a season. I think there will be one just a slightly different one.

That's an unknown I think. Assuming it's accurate that there was a last minute offer they didn't have time to consummate, I never saw a report that indicated if it was for 4 or 5 years.

 

[OmerV]

Why would this violate rules? This is actually one of your better posts. Normally they're trash.

On that note, I feel this is maybe what they are thinking but real front offices around the league were able to get deals done.

lol - thanks. Well, the concern is with the rule against threads about a particular subject in this forum. I don't believe this thread is about that at all, but there is a reason the season is uncertain.

 

[glimmerman]

That's an unknown I think. Assuming it's accurate that there was a last minute offer they didn't have time to consummate, I never saw a report that indicated if it was for 4 or 5 years.

Me either. Not even sure if it wasn’t just the same offer. Or maybe bumped the guaranteed or signing bonus. We won’t know until much later at all.

 

[khiladi]

Why would they get three years if they don’t play a season? They don’t get paid if they don’t play, why would the years count? And they only get paid for games played...

If the season is canceled, the NFL and NFLPA would have a significant negotiation over whether to toll player contracts a year ahead, or allow players to become free agents whose contracts expired after 2020. MLB’s negotiation allows players to become free agents this winter, and grants players a salary advance in case the season is canceled.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04...s-schedule-if-nfl-has-alter-or-cancel-season/

 

[khiladi]

FYI, According to this article, it claims players get paid even if one game is played, though it seems to contradict the BG article:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...ically-cuts-player-pay-if-season-is-canceled/

 

[JJHLH1]

FYI, According to this article, it claims players get paid even if one game is played, though it seems to contradict the BG article:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...ically-cuts-player-pay-if-season-is-canceled/

Wow, I can’t believe the owners and their expensive lawyers failed to put a force majeure clause in the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

I was pretty confident the season would happen, but if the Players Association doesn’t agree to add one now I don’t see how the season can go forward. Way too much financial risk for the owners. They need better lawyers.

 

[Sydla]

Another poster brought this up in another thread, and it's an interesting aspect of Dak's negotiation that doesn't seem to have been discussed much, but it's not unreasonable to wonder if, without the threat of the season not taking place at all, the Cowboys would have taken the 5th year off the table and signed Dak. As it is they may have worried that if the 2020 season isn't played that with a 4 year contract they would have effectively only had Dak committed for 3 seasons.

It's probably a waste of key strokes for me to write this, but if all you have for this thread is something like "Jerry just screwed it all up", or "Jerry just decided Dak sucks", or "Dak doesn't want to play in Dallas" please let it go in favor of some discussion on this topic. Obviously there was a desire to get a deal done, whether 4 or 5 years, or the two sides wouldn't have held out the possibility of a deal until the deadline.

The only issue with this that I believe the 4 versus 5 year thing was an issue long before the pandemic kicked in. I think the Cowboys wanted that 5 years as far back as last year and likely weren't going to budge even if there had not been the threat of no season. At least that's how I see it.

 

[JBS]

I highly doubt this had any impact on negotiations. There aren't even procedures in place at the moment for what would happen if a season is canceled entirely or cut short..so for the front office to jump to a conclusion on that front, wouldn't make sense.

 

[OGCowboy]

I highly doubt this had any impact on negotiations. There aren't even procedures in place at the moment for what would happen if a season is canceled entirely or cut short..so for the front office to jump to a conclusion on that front, wouldn't make sense.

It absolutely had an impact...like him or not, if you think JJ is not an extremely fwd looking person and covering his backside during uncertain times you are sadly mistaken. Vatto wouldn’t have the bank he has if that was the case...

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

On a related note- the level of the salary cap going forward is now highly uncertain.

Might the Cowboys have coughed up a little more dough if they had more certainty in that regard?