A part of the Dak Negotiation that wasn't discussed much

[Diehardblues]

Oh yeah I forgot, it's ALWAYS Jerry's fault no matter what. No matter what.

Ultimately it is. He’s the one who can move the needle. Or you can also blame his Cheapskate Son.

 

[Buzzbait]

Ultimately it is. He’s the one who can move the needle. Or you can also blame his Cheapskate Son.

I know, according to you it doesn't take two sides to agree, only one. In your book, Jerry is to blame for everything, everywhere, all the time, including the lack of world peace.
That has always been your position, regardless of circumstances.

 

[Diehardblues]

I know, according to you it doesn't take two sides to agree, only one. In your book, Jerry is to blame for everything, including the lack of world peace.

Now your just copping out. That’s an easy out for you.
But who’s job is it to get all of your guys under contract you want?

 

[Diehardblues]

If Jerry set the bar at 35 million regardless then we can all claim that’s fair and it is. But who cares if we don’t get our guy. That’s what this is ultimately about. Now those who don’t care if he leaves then they are ok with it. The rest are shaking their heads.

Did we possibly just lose our franchise QB over a million or two bucks? Yes, I hold the Cowboys more responsible.

 

[NotForLong]

If that's true, then Francis might be the worst agent in pro sports.

Yes, and yet Dak pursued him. But like I said, I don't look a gift horse in the mouth

 

[Diehardblues]

I’m not sure why fans want to pound their chest that we held our ground with a fair offer? That’s all great but it didn’t get the job done. Which is fine if you’re prepared to move on and accept the effects on our team.

Do we all think it’s worth saving a couple million and now having to search or draft and develop a new QB. How does that effect our expectations to contend with this core of talent ?

This is why we are being criticized. The effects this could have not about the extra millions we’d need to pay to keep him.

 

[Diehardblues]

Hopefully we won’t be sitting here in 2021 and beyond saying. Yea, we built a pretty good contender but we lost our franchise QB.

We made a good offer but he wanted a couple million more . It was too much . Plus we weren’t convinced he was enough to lead us to the Super Bowl. Instead we were reduced to this.

 

[OmerV]

The only issue with this that I believe the 4 versus 5 year thing was an issue long before the pandemic kicked in. I think the Cowboys wanted that 5 years as far back as last year and likely weren't going to budge even if there had not been the threat of no season. At least that's how I see it.

I agree that it was, but my thought was that the uncertainty of the season this year at least potentially could have made the Cowboys less willing to bend on that point since one of the seasons could be lost.

 

[OmerV]

@OmerV Would you put 1/3 down on a car you could not drive for a year or a house you could not live in for a year, knowing that there is a good chance the price may be cheaper the following year.

Revenue will be down. Cap may go down. Who knows what will happen. I would have waited too.

None of the reporting indicated the Cowboys backed off on the pay level they had been offering - reporting mostly indicated the length was the hang up all the way through. But I understand your point, and it’s possible this could have played a part, but even if it did it still goes hand in hand with the uncertainty of this season possibly affecting the willingness of the Cowboys to compromise.

 

[OmerV]

Cowboys insisted on 5 years because they knew it was a sticking point and that France would never agree to it

Lol, so they wasted 6 months screwing around with a false negotiation ...

Doubtful. Besides, how would they have known in advance anyway. It’s not as oI it were a wildly outrageous ask by the team.

 

[OmerV]

This is assuming that for a whole year, the FO, Dak, and the NFL knew something was going to stop the season. Minus the past 3-4 months, what you’re concluding is a gentleman’s agreement? Lol Grasping at thin air.

No it doesn’t because I’m not suggesting the dispute over 4 years versus 5 might have been created by the uncertainty of the season, I’m saying the uncertainty of the season may have affected how the Cowboys felt about compromising on this point to get a deal done before the deadline.

In other words, the uncertainty of the season threw a variable into the negotiation that wasn’t there before and may have affected how the negotiation played out over just the past couple of months.

As for going back to a year ago, circumstances were different last off-season than going into this offseason - there was no looming free agency and no necessity to use a franchise tag to hold the rights to the player. Whatever contract discussions took place then may have been entirely different than took place this offseason.

 

[Flamma]

Hopefully we won’t be sitting here in 2021 and beyond saying. Yea, we built a pretty good contender but we lost our franchise QB.

We made a good offer but he wanted a couple million more . It was too much . Plus we weren’t convinced he was enough to lead us to the Super Bowl. Instead we were reduced to this.

Here's the problem, how will they treat 2021 if the season is cancelled? I assumed all 2020 contract amounts would be pushed to 2021, but what if they're not? What if 2020 just drops off and now teams have to pay players the contract amount it says in 2021? This isn't even settled yet, right?

If the latter is true then signing Dak to a 4 year deal would be a disaster for the team. He'd be on the second year of a 4 year contract and the cap hit would be through the roof. Especially if the cap doesn't go up.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

Another poster brought this up in another thread, and it's an interesting aspect of Dak's negotiation that doesn't seem to have been discussed much, but it's not unreasonable to wonder if, without the threat of the season not taking place at all, the Cowboys would have taken the 5th year off the table and signed Dak. As it is they may have worried that if the 2020 season isn't played that with a 4 year contract they would have effectively only had Dak committed for 3 seasons.

It's probably a waste of key strokes for me to write this, but if all you have for this thread is something like "Jerry just screwed it all up", or "Jerry just decided Dak sucks", or "Dak doesn't want to play in Dallas" please let it go in favor of some discussion on this topic. Obviously there was a desire to get a deal done, whether 4 or 5 years, or the two sides wouldn't have held out the possibility of a deal until the deadline.

No it had everything to do with the next TV contract.

https://www.___GET_REAL_URL___/s/in...-45-million-for-5th-year-of-new-contract/amp/

 

[Fastpitch Dad]

Another poster brought this up in another thread, and it's an interesting aspect of Dak's negotiation that doesn't seem to have been discussed much, but it's not unreasonable to wonder if, without the threat of the season not taking place at all, the Cowboys would have taken the 5th year off the table and signed Dak. As it is they may have worried that if the 2020 season isn't played that with a 4 year contract they would have effectively only had Dak committed for 3 seasons.

It's probably a waste of key strokes for me to write this, but if all you have for this thread is something like "Jerry just screwed it all up", or "Jerry just decided Dak sucks", or "Dak doesn't want to play in Dallas" please let it go in favor of some discussion on this topic. Obviously there was a desire to get a deal done, whether 4 or 5 years, or the two sides wouldn't have held out the possibility of a deal until the deadline.

Great question.

It's really hard to not think that what's happening in the world right now didn't at least play a small part. Neither side is stupid and I'm sure the pros and cons had to be discussed.

 

[Diehardblues]

Here's the problem, how will they treat 2021 if the season is cancelled? I assumed all 2020 contract amounts would be pushed to 2021, but what if they're not? What if 2020 just drops off and now teams have to pay players the contract amount it says in 2021? This isn't even settled yet, right?

If the latter is true then signing Dak to a 4 year deal would be a disaster for the team. He'd be on the second year of a 4 year contract and the cap hit would be through the roof. Especially if the cap doesn't go up.

I’m not sure how all of the contracts would be effected.

 

[blueblood70]

Another poster brought this up in another thread, and it's an interesting aspect of Dak's negotiation that doesn't seem to have been discussed much, but it's not unreasonable to wonder if, without the threat of the season not taking place at all, the Cowboys would have taken the 5th year off the table and signed Dak. As it is they may have worried that if the 2020 season isn't played that with a 4 year contract they would have effectively only had Dak committed for 3 seasons.

It's probably a waste of key strokes for me to write this, but if all you have for this thread is something like "Jerry just screwed it all up", or "Jerry just decided Dak sucks", or "Dak doesn't want to play in Dallas" please let it go in favor of some discussion on this topic. Obviously there was a desire to get a deal done, whether 4 or 5 years, or the two sides wouldn't have held out the possibility of a deal until the deadline.

well to add to it the Cap in 2021 being an unkonwn, all possibilities..

 

[blueblood70]

Are we allowed to openly discuss this type of scenario outside the designated forum? Most threads pertaining to the effects of such are closed or moved.

I think Mods need to lighten this rule..as ;long as we arent debating which side of it we are on or posting data etc etc on this subject, its part of sports right now front and center and hard to not talk about it in general sense..i mean PS was canceled because of it, yet what i cant say that? when a player gets quarantined what we cant discuss it even though its very important that that next 2 games he misses?

come on Mods lighten that rule.. its not part of all discussion in all sports arenas, everywhere , why not here? if its generalized and on topic that doesnt discuss the other parts of it but stay in the relationship to the NFL and the Dc, why not?

 

[Flamma]

I’m not sure how all of the contracts would be effected.

That's the thing, do they even know? The tag is perfect if it's still an unknown

 

[Hennessy_King]

Wow, I can’t believe the owners and their expensive lawyers failed to put a force majeure clause in the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

I was pretty confident the season would happen, but if the Players Association doesn’t agree to add one now I don’t see how the season can go forward. Way too much financial risk for the owners. They need better lawyers.

Every CBA they talk about making way more $$ because they take all the risk. The risk is finally here and they cry about it lol. Imagine being broke and worrying about billionaires pockets lol.

 

[kskboys]

Yea, we really haven’t got the whole story yet.

In the end it’s up to Mgmt to get their guy signed. It’s very unusual when teams can’t eventuality come to an agreement. And we all know QB’s are overpaid to some extent. Some teams simply make an offer they can’t refuse.

I heard he wanted 37 for 4 years. To me if we offered 35 we could have gotten a little closer. And if we’d done it before the Mahomes deal Dak could have been highest paid probably satisfying his ego.

So while Dak was stubborn we weren’t aggressive or flexible enough. In the end what’s a couple million more if you’re likely to pay it or more next year. And why media bashed us.

Of course. However, the agent and the team didn't talk. Which points hard toward either terrible agent or greedy player.

A couple million more is that backup OT that you will need when someone goes down. He's Joe Smith, he's Joe Looney, Antwon Woods, Anthony Brown. He's that backup that gets you by when the starter goes down.