I rewatched the Rams game and Dak was not the issue

[Jarv]

You are so wrong. Considering the lack of blocking Dak got, he played very well. Any objective football fan could see that!

Blocking matters to a QB! Don’t you understand that?

There's a difference between playing well and leading your team to victory.

Elite QBs overcome deficiencies and pull out victories. That's why you pay elite QBs 40 million dollars these days, but QBs that need a perfect scenario you can't afford to pay elite money too because you would not have the money left to make the perfect scenario.

So yeah OP, he played well enough to win, but he didn't rise above and carry the team. Which is what many of us have been saying about Dak, while others want him paid as an elite QB and implant perfection around him.

We can't do both, so make your choice.

 

[Zordon]

Our 50M qb, with his running back having a great game, could not get us the lead in that 2nd half despite it being a one possession game the entire 2nd half and our defense only allowing 7 pts in that 2nd half. By the way time of possession was equal in the 2nd half when we scored only 3 pts.

It's obvious to me some of you have forgotten what great qb play looks like.

 

[Aviano90]

Our 50M qb, with his running back having a great game, could not get us the lead in that 2nd half despite it being a one possession game the entire 2nd half and our defense only allowing 7 pts in that 2nd half. By the way time of possession was equal in the 2nd half when we scored only 3 pts.

It's obvious to me some of you have forgotten what great qb play looks like.

Well, we haven’t seen great QB play in Dallas since the 90s and throes of us who were lucky enough to have seen it are getting older. Memory does fade.

 

[cowboyed]

That is not the point

Every single team has issues of the kind you are bringing up

A great QB finds a way to overcome those issues and get his team past the finish line

Dak needs every other facet to be perfect for the team to win
That ain’t happening in the NFL against the best teams in the playoffs

We have to come to terms with the fact that Dak is not that QB. He will not be THE REASON we won despite other deficiencies

With about a half minute in the game to play he threw an accurate bomb of a pass under pressure that Gallup caught in stride. When a ref makes a crucial bad call near the end of the game you don't overcome that issue.
Stating that Dak needs every facet of the game to be perfect is not visionary - visionary! It's myopic.

 

[Johnny23]

1-7 on third downs as a quarterback is an issue. Just admit most of ya'll like Dak's manufactured nice guy routine at all costs of defending him over the team including him screwing up. Yet when Tony had issues it was world war 3 from Tuesday to Saturday regardless of of it was here or the official nfl.com message board.

 

[dckid]

I went through the game again last night and I have to say that after I was finished I actually found myself disappointed in many dak haters on this board.

First and foremost, The defense allowed some incredibly ridiculous long drives and owned the time of possession that left very little room for error.

Dak protected the ball and made some very nice throws and a run even though the offensive line afforded him zero time. Obviously our line was rated as one of the worst in the league from a pressure standpoint.

Dak was given a lackluster gameplan that gave us no real advantage. Mcvay knew we were going to bring a ton of pressure so he attacked us with short dump offs and nice blocking to take advantage of our pressure. We really did nothing to stop this most of the game and this is what ate up the clock. Why wouldn't the cowboys use more motion and mix play calling up better than what they did?

This leads me to the pandemic and how it messed with us being able to implement a new system. What we are seeing is similar to what we had last year and much of this can be blamed on not having more time to change things up and implement all the new designs and formations..

Dak played more than good enough to win this game, but once again, no coaching and scheme advantage, mixed with horrible offensive line play. If you look at a couple crucial drives where we didn't covert that would of put us in front, you will find Cooper dropping a perfectly thrown ball after a big hit, and you will also see Shultz drop a very important pass that he should of caught. This was a very good pass as well... Lets not forget Ceedee lamb making a rookie mistake and not running his route to the sticks on the 4th down play where Dak threw a perfect ball..

Dak also protected the football and throw an absolute beautiful ball to gallup that in most cases would of been called a completion. I watched this play over and over! Ramsey did indeed have his armed pinned before the ball arrived and Gallup reached into his chest to get away, but it wasn't a blatant push at all and the call should of never been made. This throw was pure clutch and perfectly executed and a crucial part of the game. If Gallup catches this ball we most likely win, or at least have a great chance..

After watching the game again, I came to the conclusion that Dak was one of the best players on that field on Sunday not named Zeke or Aaron Donald...

Quit getting sucked in by the media looking for ratings, or the guys on this forum that Hate Dak.. Any objective person that understands football can see the comedy of events that are happening that contributing to frustration with QB position. Dak gave us a great chance to win this game, I even dare say he played pretty darn good.. You don't believe me? Go back and watch the entire game again. Was he perfect? No, but the guy played pretty darn good.. I feel good about Dak, it's everyone else I worry about.. I think the Cowboys are just cursed if you want to be honest, I think the deal with the devil that Jerry made has run out.

You make a lot of good points. The part that kills me is the lack of pre snap motion and lack of play action. A team that runs as much as Dallas should be leading the league in play action.
Goff really is an average QB, The Rams have buyers remorse after that contract. After watching that game McVay basically setup all those passes for Goff, with the screen's, passes in the flat, wide open guys. The Rams just played keep away from our offense, if only our defense didn't get spun around we would had a chance.
The crazy part is even Joe Gibbs would run pre snap motion in the 80's. It is not that hard, I also wish we would run some counters and not just have Zeke in shotgun with Dak and just read option runs. Give Zeke some momentum hitting the line.
We don't use one of the best weapons in the league.. Zeke is an excellent reciever, so is Pollard. Just get first downs. This offense likes making it harder on itself. Dak's yard per attempt, and air yards have to be in the top 5.
I see nothing wrong with eating the clock like we did in 2016, if our defense plays less than 30 minutes it will be very good. I am not saying give Zeke 400 carries..

 

[glimmerman]

That play killed the come back. If it was a simple drop or a greatly defended pass, then it would've been a 3rd and 10 vs 2nd and 20. Those 20 yards killed our chances. Dak was not a difference maker, but not every game, your QB is the difference maker, if that were the case, teams would go undefeated, and they don't. We need, collectively, for our defense to STOP THE RUN. If they can at least do that, that would give us more chances on offense. If we're not going to have more chances on offense, then our coaches need to be aggressive and not play ball-control offense. Think Giants game last year. Attack attack attack. That's just my 2 cents.

I think the Defense will be playing better and a little more gelled in some areas. Will be running with a new LB in the line up.

 

[CATCH17]

People nobody is saying dak played bad. However is it not unreasonable to expect more out of him. People we were leading at halftime 14-13. The much maligned defense only gave up 7 points second half. Dak's offense only gave us 3. How is that not his fault?

You can't sit here and make excuse after excuse for the guy. He played good, we needed great. When a guy is asking for mahomes or russel wilson money i don't think thats too much to ask i'm sorry.

He can't just beat up on inferior teams like last year and expect us to all be ok with that. He has great players around him, a coach that isn't garret. In a weak division. If he can't win this year how will he in the future?

Btw i'm not a dak hater. I was one who wanted to give him the money. Now i'm glad we franchised him. Anything short of an NFC championship this year is no good.

That’s the whole point.

Dallas can not afford to pay a QB like Dak all that money because he needs a lot around him as well.

He’s a good solid QB wanting elite playmaker QB money. That will sink this franchise.

 

[NotForLong]

Yes, Dak is supposed to tackle, block, and catch. Throwing the ball and leading the offense, is not enough to win games.

Seams like somebody always copies and pastes this comment

 

[CowboyRoy]

I went through the game again last night and I have to say that after I was finished I actually found myself disappointed in many dak haters on this board.

First and foremost, The defense allowed some incredibly ridiculous long drives and owned the time of possession that left very little room for error.

Dak protected the ball and made some very nice throws and a run even though the offensive line afforded him zero time. Obviously our line was rated as one of the worst in the league from a pressure standpoint.

Dak was given a lackluster gameplan that gave us no real advantage. Mcvay knew we were going to bring a ton of pressure so he attacked us with short dump offs and nice blocking to take advantage of our pressure. We really did nothing to stop this most of the game and this is what ate up the clock. Why wouldn't the cowboys use more motion and mix play calling up better than what they did?

This leads me to the pandemic and how it messed with us being able to implement a new system. What we are seeing is similar to what we had last year and much of this can be blamed on not having more time to change things up and implement all the new designs and formations..

Dak played more than good enough to win this game, but once again, no coaching and scheme advantage, mixed with horrible offensive line play. If you look at a couple crucial drives where we didn't covert that would of put us in front, you will find Cooper dropping a perfectly thrown ball after a big hit, and you will also see Shultz drop a very important pass that he should of caught. This was a very good pass as well... Lets not forget Ceedee lamb making a rookie mistake and not running his route to the sticks on the 4th down play where Dak threw a perfect ball..

Dak also protected the football and throw an absolute beautiful ball to gallup that in most cases would of been called a completion. I watched this play over and over! Ramsey did indeed have his armed pinned before the ball arrived and Gallup reached into his chest to get away, but it wasn't a blatant push at all and the call should of never been made. This throw was pure clutch and perfectly executed and a crucial part of the game. If Gallup catches this ball we most likely win, or at least have a great chance..

After watching the game again, I came to the conclusion that Dak was one of the best players on that field on Sunday not named Zeke or Aaron Donald...

Quit getting sucked in by the media looking for ratings, or the guys on this forum that Hate Dak.. Any objective person that understands football can see the comedy of events that are happening that contributing to frustration with QB position. Dak gave us a great chance to win this game, I even dare say he played pretty darn good.. You don't believe me? Go back and watch the entire game again. Was he perfect? No, but the guy played pretty darn good.. I feel good about Dak, it's everyone else I worry about.. I think the Cowboys are just cursed if you want to be honest, I think the deal with the devil that Jerry made has run out.

Since when have the Dak trolls ever made sense about anything?

Dak threw for over 400 yards against the packers last year in a loss and these morons tried to say it was his fault.

 

[NotForLong]

It’s the same with Romo. He may not have been the main reason for the loss, but he did play a part in it and he didn’t do enough to overcome other player’s mistakes. When you take up the lion’s share of the salary cap, then you need to help overcome weaknesses.

This team won’t win unless their best players stop playing just good enough to have excuses made for them and start being reasons why the team actually won.

Same for Kerry Collins and the Giants. . . He may not have been the main reason for the loss, but he did play a part in it and he didn’t do enough to overcome other player’s mistakes

Same for Rodney Pette and the Lions . . . He may not have been the main reason for the loss, but he did play a part in it and he didn’t do enough to overcome other player’s mistakes

Same for Ken O'Brien for the Jets . . . He may not have been the main reason for the loss, but he did play a part in it and he didn’t do enough to overcome other player’s mistakes

 

[USArmyVet]

I went through the game again last night and I have to say that after I was finished I actually found myself disappointed in many dak haters on this board.

First and foremost, The defense allowed some incredibly ridiculous long drives and owned the time of possession that left very little room for error.

Dak protected the ball and made some very nice throws and a run even though the offensive line afforded him zero time. Obviously our line was rated as one of the worst in the league from a pressure standpoint.

Dak was given a lackluster gameplan that gave us no real advantage. Mcvay knew we were going to bring a ton of pressure so he attacked us with short dump offs and nice blocking to take advantage of our pressure. We really did nothing to stop this most of the game and this is what ate up the clock. Why wouldn't the cowboys use more motion and mix play calling up better than what they did?

This leads me to the pandemic and how it messed with us being able to implement a new system. What we are seeing is similar to what we had last year and much of this can be blamed on not having more time to change things up and implement all the new designs and formations..

Dak played more than good enough to win this game, but once again, no coaching and scheme advantage, mixed with horrible offensive line play. If you look at a couple crucial drives where we didn't covert that would of put us in front, you will find Cooper dropping a perfectly thrown ball after a big hit, and you will also see Shultz drop a very important pass that he should of caught. This was a very good pass as well... Lets not forget Ceedee lamb making a rookie mistake and not running his route to the sticks on the 4th down play where Dak threw a perfect ball..

Dak also protected the football and throw an absolute beautiful ball to gallup that in most cases would of been called a completion. I watched this play over and over! Ramsey did indeed have his armed pinned before the ball arrived and Gallup reached into his chest to get away, but it wasn't a blatant push at all and the call should of never been made. This throw was pure clutch and perfectly executed and a crucial part of the game. If Gallup catches this ball we most likely win, or at least have a great chance..

After watching the game again, I came to the conclusion that Dak was one of the best players on that field on Sunday not named Zeke or Aaron Donald...

Quit getting sucked in by the media looking for ratings, or the guys on this forum that Hate Dak.. Any objective person that understands football can see the comedy of events that are happening that contributing to frustration with QB position. Dak gave us a great chance to win this game, I even dare say he played pretty darn good.. You don't believe me? Go back and watch the entire game again. Was he perfect? No, but the guy played pretty darn good.. I feel good about Dak, it's everyone else I worry about.. I think the Cowboys are just cursed if you want to be honest, I think the deal with the devil that Jerry made has run out.

Somehow Dak is NEVER the issue yet it's always someone else's fault.

 

[CowboyRoy]

That’s the whole point.

Dallas can not afford to pay a QB like Dak all that money because he needs a lot around him as well.

He’s a good solid QB wanting elite playmaker QB money. That will sink this franchise.

Another dumb post. What is sinking this franchise has been a bad defense. Coaching has been sinking this team.

Dak was paid around 1 million a year for 4 years did he sink the franchise? Did Dak screw your GF or something?

You clearly dont know how to analyze football.

Go get rookie QB genius. Is he going to miraculously cure the defense?

Did you bother to watch Cincy play the Browns last night? The rookie Joe Burrows played well. 300 yards and 3 TD's. But his defense couldnt stop the run and they lost.

Do you watch any football at all other then the Cowboys?

 

[erod]

I went through the game again last night and I have to say that after I was finished I actually found myself disappointed in many dak haters on this board.

First and foremost, The defense allowed some incredibly ridiculous long drives and owned the time of possession that left very little room for error.

Dak protected the ball and made some very nice throws and a run even though the offensive line afforded him zero time. Obviously our line was rated as one of the worst in the league from a pressure standpoint.

Dak was given a lackluster gameplan that gave us no real advantage. Mcvay knew we were going to bring a ton of pressure so he attacked us with short dump offs and nice blocking to take advantage of our pressure. We really did nothing to stop this most of the game and this is what ate up the clock. Why wouldn't the cowboys use more motion and mix play calling up better than what they did?

This leads me to the pandemic and how it messed with us being able to implement a new system. What we are seeing is similar to what we had last year and much of this can be blamed on not having more time to change things up and implement all the new designs and formations..

Dak played more than good enough to win this game, but once again, no coaching and scheme advantage, mixed with horrible offensive line play. If you look at a couple crucial drives where we didn't covert that would of put us in front, you will find Cooper dropping a perfectly thrown ball after a big hit, and you will also see Shultz drop a very important pass that he should of caught. This was a very good pass as well... Lets not forget Ceedee lamb making a rookie mistake and not running his route to the sticks on the 4th down play where Dak threw a perfect ball..

Dak also protected the football and throw an absolute beautiful ball to gallup that in most cases would of been called a completion. I watched this play over and over! Ramsey did indeed have his armed pinned before the ball arrived and Gallup reached into his chest to get away, but it wasn't a blatant push at all and the call should of never been made. This throw was pure clutch and perfectly executed and a crucial part of the game. If Gallup catches this ball we most likely win, or at least have a great chance..

After watching the game again, I came to the conclusion that Dak was one of the best players on that field on Sunday not named Zeke or Aaron Donald...

Quit getting sucked in by the media looking for ratings, or the guys on this forum that Hate Dak.. Any objective person that understands football can see the comedy of events that are happening that contributing to frustration with QB position. Dak gave us a great chance to win this game, I even dare say he played pretty darn good.. You don't believe me? Go back and watch the entire game again. Was he perfect? No, but the guy played pretty darn good.. I feel good about Dak, it's everyone else I worry about.. I think the Cowboys are just cursed if you want to be honest, I think the deal with the devil that Jerry made has run out.

Please. Enough with the "coaches gameplan" nonsense.

Coaches call what Dak might be able to do. He's a painfully limited quarterback with no vision or ability to work through progressions.

Just as Jimmy Johnson said he is.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Somehow Dak is NEVER the issue yet it's always someone else's fault.

Most of the time, yes, that is accurate. LOL

 

[Aviano90]

Same for Kerry Collins and the Giants. . . He may not have been the main reason for the loss, but he did play a part in it and he didn’t do enough to overcome other player’s mistakes

Same for Rodney Pette and the Lions . . . He may not have been the main reason for the loss, but he did play a part in it and he didn’t do enough to overcome other player’s mistakes

Same for Ken O'Brien for the Jets . . . He may not have been the main reason for the loss, but he did play a part in it and he didn’t do enough to overcome other player’s mistakes

Appears you disagree? Care to elaborate or are you just trying to be a jerk?

Edit: never mind, it’s the Romo part of it. Sorry, Romo was the greatest ever. Better?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Please. Enough with the "coaches gameplan" nonsense.

Coaches call what Dak might be able to do. He's a painfully limited quarterback with no vision or ability to work through progressions.

Just as Jimmy Johnson said he is.

LOL........More lies from a troll. Jimmy never said any of that. IN fact he complimented Dak. Feel free to point out the point where Jimmy said that. Of just shut up about it.

 

[NotForLong]

How old are you? I know what I know because I played through those football years. Dan Marino threw for over 5,000 yards in 1983. He went on to repeatedly throw for over 4,000+ yards per season many times until 1995, so don't give me your baloney how the QBs from those eras (80s and 90s) couldn't throw for as many yards as today's QBs. That's nothing but a bunch of bull.

Marino is an outlier not the median

 

[USArmyVet]

LOL........More lies from a troll. Jimmy never said any of that. IN fact he complimented Dak. Feel free to point out the point where Jimmy said that. Of just shut up about it.

Is that your thing? You just bash anyone who dares criticize King Dak? Good luck with that.


Oh, and what Jimmy Johnson said about Dak was stating that while coaching Miami (college) he had both Bernie Kosar and Vinny Testaverde as QB's.....Vinny had the size and arm but needed the offense to be designed very deliberately in terms of reads. He stated Dak was like Vinny in that he is the type of QB that needs to go through his reads because he doesn't see the field and can improvise like a Bernie Kosar.

So while you may want to knock a guy for disagreeing with you, I will take what Jimmy said more seriously than what you say as he has a very valid point about Dak.

 

[NotForLong]

Appears you disagree? Care to elaborate or are you just trying to be a jerk?

Edit: never mind, it’s the Romo part of it. Sorry, Romo was the greatest ever. Better?

My point is its 2020 and Dak is our QB and shortly we shall have a new QB.