Player Salaries Revisited

[kskboys]

Soooooooooooooo, now that it's been a while, what about those salaries?

I was against paying DLaw, Zeke, Cooper, and Jaylon. Man, was that an unpopular opinion at the time. Has anyone who was screaming "JUST PAY HIM" come to their senses? Just wonderin'!!!!

 

[Pompey-Cowboy]

How many of the bigger contracts ever stand up to scrutiny down the line?

In each case you mention, how much flack would the FO get for letting that player move on rather than pay them?

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

How many of the bigger contracts ever stand up to scrutiny down the line?

In each case you mention, how much flack would the FO get for letting that player move on rather than pay them?

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

And if you let, say, Zeke go and your replacement running back sucks? How many were happy Murray was let go, then Romo goes down and there's no power running game to go to.

Result was a 4-12 season...

 

[Pompey-Cowboy]

And if you let, say, Zeke go and your replacement running back sucks? How many were happy Murray was let go, then Romo goes down and there's no power running game to go to.

Result was a 4-12 season...

Precisely. We could let Dak walk next year then spend 10 years failing to find anyone to match his level, all in the name of saving a few bucks. Fact is, the best players that can win you games over a length of time cost a bunch of money. Fact of life

 

[kskboys]

How many of the bigger contracts ever stand up to scrutiny down the line?

In each case you mention, how much flack would the FO get for letting that player move on rather than pay them?

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

That's why the flak should be irrelevant. Every contract should be signed w/ winning in mind. Every player that wants more than he's worth should be let walk, winning in mind. Just paying everyone(almost) is not going to work. Never has.

 

[kskboys]

Precisely. We could let Dak walk next year then spend 10 years failing to find anyone to match his level, all in the name of saving a few bucks. Fact is, the best players that can win you games over a length of time cost a bunch of money. Fact of life

This thread wasn't about one contract. Did you get that?

 

[Pompey-Cowboy]

This thread wasn't about one contract. Did you get that?

Yes. What I did was give an 'example'. An 'example' is a grammatical tool where by you use one instance to provide analagous context to a group or multiple of instances.

 

[Pompey-Cowboy]

That's why the flak should be irrelevant. Every contract should be signed w/ winning in mind. Every player that wants more than he's worth should be let walk, winning in mind. Just paying everyone(almost) is not going to work. Never has.

A) They don't pay everyone (see Byron Jones for recent instance)
B) What a player is worth financially is a matter of pure conjecture and in the end comes down to opinion
C) Every contract IS signed with winning in mind, you don't win unless you retain your best players.

 

[darthseinfeld]

That's why the flak should be irrelevant. Every contract should be signed w/ winning in mind. Every player that wants more than he's worth should be let walk, winning in mind. Just paying everyone(almost) is not going to work. Never has.

How many games do we win this year if we let those players walk? If you are talking about winning in mind.

 

[kskboys]

How many games do we win this year if we let those players walk? If you are talking about winning in mind.

You're focused on one season?

How many games do we win in the next 10 years if we fill our roster w/ young talented players? Can we improve beyond 8-8?

 

[kskboys]

Yes. What I did was give an 'example'. An 'example' is a grammatical tool where by you use one instance to provide analagous context to a group or multiple of instances.

Then why did you make it all about Dak?

 

[kskboys]

A) They don't pay everyone (see Byron Jones for recent instance)
B) What a player is worth financially is a matter of pure conjecture and in the end comes down to opinion
C) Every contract IS signed with winning in mind, you don't win unless you retain your best players.

Completely disagree w/ B.

You also don't win when you overpay average players. Do you ever look at the big pic?

 

[Pompey-Cowboy]

Then why did you make it all about Dak?

Dak's contract is the next big one up isn't it. It was a 'for example, if we do this' type thing. It's not that hard surely?

 

[Pompey-Cowboy]

You're focused on one season?

How many games do we win in the next 10 years if we fill our roster w/ young talented players? Can we improve beyond 8-8?

You can't spend ten years filling your roster with young players. A rookie contract lasts only 4 years, by which time they have proven no good and have left or have proven very good and command contracts worth multi millions. Every team is ALWAYS gonna have players that are about to need paying.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Completely disagree w/ B.

You also don't win when you overpay average players. Do you ever look at the big pic?

A large part of the Cowboys' salary issues is they're way too quick to pay big bucks too soon, or like in T. Crawford's case, because he's "versatile"...

 

[kskboys]

You can't spend ten years filling your roster with young players. A rookie contract lasts only 4 years, by which time they have proven no good and have left or have proven very good and command contracts worth multi millions. Every team is ALWAYS gonna have players that are about to need paying.

Absolutely true.

However, paying average players top dollar and paying players prematurely and letting players hold you hostage begets the same results. Happy medium.

 

[kskboys]

Dak's contract is the next big one up isn't it. It was a 'for example, if we do this' type thing. It's not that hard surely?

It appears to be that hard for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Be a better discussion if you could leave out the snark, BTW.

It's not about one contract.

 

[darthseinfeld]

You're focused on one season?

How many games do we win in the next 10 years if we fill our roster w/ young talented players? Can we improve beyond 8-8?

Its cyclic. Once the guarenteed money is up with those, we will move on. Like other teams. Those contracts arent keeping us from doing anything. And they won't for a while. You let them walk, now you have a hole in your roster you need to fill.

 

[darthseinfeld]

A large part of the Cowboys' salary issues is they're way too quick to pay big bucks too soon, or like in T. Crawford's case, because he's "versatile"...

They waited too long with Lawrence and now Prescott. If they extended Lawrence during his first tag, they probably could have gotten him for well under 20 AAV. If they extended Prescott when Went amd Goff did, they could have gotten him for well under 35

 

[LACowboysFan1]

They waited too long with Lawrence and now Prescott. If they extended Lawrence during his first tag, they probably could have gotten him for well under 20 AAV. If they extended Prescott when Went amd Goff did, they could have gotten him for well under 35

Cowboys are stuck with Lawrence for 3 more years, unless they can trade him, dead cap is prohibitive until after 3 more years...