How do you propose we fix the offensive line and entire defense if Dak gets paid?

[Typhus]

We have this overlapping issue it seems where we wasted the prime of our offensive line with Dak, including the previous group of receivers that got tossed out as well because of Romo's situation.

Now we have all the young talented receivers you could ask for but in this time the oline has fallen apart and the defense has a bunch of brandon carrs at literally every position.

We know what Dak cant do with lesser receivers, we know what Dak still cant do with great receivers, how do we get a jump start to fixing this team within 1-2 seasons rather than hopefully building up over several seasons, by then losing whatever talent we had left at OL, RB, and possibly WR?

The offense is already stacked vs the defense in terms of cap space used, and there's no way we could expect better results on offense if those key talents are gone so what do we do?

The majority of the league survives with average to sub average offensive lines and they have been for some time.
We were blessed to have a very dominant OL for stretch, but there is no getting T-Fred back, there is no getting TSmith back in his prime, Collins condition is really unknown, which indicates a strong negative.
Just saying the glory days are over for this OL, and its time to see what we have in some of the depth,, time to put on your big boy pants.

 

[OmerV]

not at all, but thanks for providing an answer instead of just hijacking the thread

lol - not at all huh, yet your original post focused not on the cost to keep Dak, but on the team wasting time with Dak and how you feel Dak is limited and cannot help the team win more.

 

[OmerV]

Not all posts proposing not to give Dak what he reported wanted (4 year contract from 2020) are blaming Dak.

I agree Dak isnt the problem.

Indeed, some of us acknowledge that he's a good(ish) QB (8th best QBR backs this), however, the CAP figures for a 3 year contract brings up the question ...are we able to compete in those 3 years with this Defense and lack of O-Line depth?

For me it's a no.

Did you read the OP? It was not focused on the price tag, it was focused on his belief that the team has wasted years on Dak and how Dak doesn't have the ability to play to a level that will help the team have more success.

If you think the money is too great, that's okay, although I think most people overlook market factors and the fact you can't just dump one QB expecting an elite one will be readily available.

I find it odd timing anyway given that the Cowboys offense is averaging 31.5 points per game, and the defense is giving up 36.5 ppg. Obviously the turnovers need to clean up some, but does that really seem like the offense is the problem?

 

[Jake]

We have this overlapping issue it seems where we wasted the prime of our offensive line with Dak, including the previous group of receivers that got tossed out as well because of Romo's situation.

Now we have all the young talented receivers you could ask for but in this time the oline has fallen apart and the defense has a bunch of brandon carrs at literally every position.

We know what Dak cant do with lesser receivers, we know what Dak still cant do with great receivers, how do we get a jump start to fixing this team within 1-2 seasons rather than hopefully building up over several seasons, by then losing whatever talent we had left at OL, RB, and possibly WR?

The offense is already stacked vs the defense in terms of cap space used, and there's no way we could expect better results on offense if those key talents are gone so what do we do?

Jones and Son couldn't build a winner with Dak and Zeke on rookie deals and a younger, better offensive line. They couldn't have asked for a better situation and they squandered it.

Expecting them to successfully navigate paying them is a pipe dream.

 

[kskboys]

Jones and Son couldn't build a winner with Dak and Zeke on rookie deals and a younger, better offensive line. They couldn't have asked for a better situation and they squandered it.

Expecting them to successfully navigate paying them is a pipe dream.

But we got us a WR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Wezsh0T]

If I'm JJ/MM, I'm making it a mission to fix this D once and for all.......new DC, spend the next 2 entire drafts on D, try and sign a true defensive playmaker ( Von Miller perhaps ). Give me a bunch of young HUNGARY players, surrounded by couple elite vets.

Hmmmm. I'm not sure they play much football in Hungary. I keeed...haha. Can you fix the D and also keep taking Olinemen in the draft as well? We're not good at drafting Olinemen past the first round.

 

[InTheZone]

lol - not at all huh, yet your original post focused not on the cost to keep Dak, but on the team wasting time with Dak and how you feel Dak is limited and cannot help the team win more.

Did you read my title? I clearly am thinking about the costs of Dak with our other immediate issues. And I wasn't being sarcastic when I said thanks for providing an answer.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Hmmmm. I'm not sure they play much football in Hungary. I keeed...haha. Can you fix the D and also keep taking Olinemen in the draft as well? We're not good at drafting Olinemen past the first round.

My point is to build the trenches (DLine) with top-level talent......see Washington Football Team

 

[OmerV]

Did you read my title? I clearly am thinking about the costs of Dak with our other immediate issues. And I wasn't being sarcastic when I said thanks for providing an answer.

The fact the title doesn't match the content is why I said it was a not so cleverly disguised Dak bash thread. As anyone who pays attention these days knows, the media often puts out a misleading headline to capture the reader, but the reader then finds the content of the article doesn't exactly fit with what the headline suggests.

 

[InTheZone]

The fact the title doesn't match the content is why I said it was a not so cleverly disguised Dak bash thread. As anyone who pays attention these days knows, the media often puts out a misleading headline to capture the reader, but the reader then finds the content of the article doesn't exactly fit with what the headline suggests.

I do hate the one sided bias the media/celebs/athletes seem to share. I often skip reading articles based on their headlines because I already know the direction they're going. You can perceive my thread as a dak hate thread all you want, I asked a question for people to discuss. Have no problems with anyone who contributes minus the trolls who simply engage without an actual response.

 

[Aviano90]

I do hate the one sided bias the media/celebs/athletes seem to share. I often skip reading articles based on their headlines because I already know the direction they're going. You can perceive my thread as a dak hate thread all you want, I asked a question for people to discuss. Have no problems with anyone who contributes minus the trolls who simply engage without an actual response.

Here are my questions. How much money do you think the team realistically will save at the QB position if we don't sign Dak? Now take that amount of money you save and also ask how you fix the offensive line and the entire defense? Dak should NOT sign long term here. He should run away as soon as he can.

 

[Aven8]

We are strapped on the Oline as the previous coach thought we needed All Pro’s at every position. I blame him for that mess.

 

[InTheZone]

Here are my questions. How much money do you think the team realistically will save at the QB position if we don't sign Dak? Now take that amount of money you save and also ask how you fix the offensive line and the entire defense? Dak should NOT sign long term here. He should run away as soon as he can.

If we draft a QB we're looking at what a 25 mil contract over 4 years? Then all efforts are then spent on defense and OL. Trade a WR for a quality starter or a high pick, put it towards those needs. I'm still in the "not sold on Dak" boat and we've already seen the results of the team if Dak doesn't have all the pieces around him on offense, problem is he has these pieces and we're still inconsistent as heck on offense but the d and OL are in even worse shape and we still can't win. I believe if Dak is as great as fans think teams believe he is then we should have no problem getting multiple high picks for him for 2021 and/or 2022. We have a chance to bring in talent at needed positions through the draft from high picks, it's a matter if Dallas wants to go that route

 

[Aviano90]

If we draft a QB we're looking at what a 25 mil contract over 4 years? Then all efforts are then spent on defense and OL. Trade a WR for a quality starter or a high pick, put it towards those needs. I'm still in the "not sold on Dak" boat and we've already seen the results of the team if Dak doesn't have all the pieces around him on offense, problem is he has these pieces and we're still inconsistent as heck on offense but the d and OL are in even worse shape and we still can't win. I believe if Dak is as great as fans think teams believe he is then we should have no problem getting multiple high picks for him for 2021 and/or 2022. We have a chance to bring in talent at needed positions through the draft from high picks, it's a matter if Dallas wants to go that route

Regardless of who the QB is we can't continue to miss on so many players. No amount of money is going to fix that and no QB is going to be able to play perfectly enough to overcome it.

 

[Vanilla2]

Wait.

Dak is gonna cause us to miss out on the free agents we never sign?

I’m done!

 

[InTheZone]

Regardless of who the QB is we can't continue to miss on so many players. No amount of money is going to fix that and no QB is going to be able to play perfectly enough to overcome it.

yes, nothing is guaranteed. And handcuffing ourselves to a massive Dak contract with the possibility of the total cap coming down doesn't seem like a good place to start considering how long the defense has been neglected. I feel this risk far outweighs going in a new direction with another QB.

 

[Aviano90]

yes, nothing is guaranteed. And handcuffing ourselves to a massive Dak contract with the possibility of the total cap coming down doesn't seem like a good place to start considering how long the defense has been neglected. I feel this risk far outweighs going in a new direction with another QB.

I am hoping we go in a different direction at QB with Dak giving Jerry the middle finger.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

we paid smith. we paid martin. we paid fredrick. we paid collins. we paid lawrence. we paid Jaylon. we paid zeke. we paid cooper. we had enough to pay crawford, griffin, mccoy, Poe some substantial money....
and all with Dak against the books for 31M....

its not a question of do we have enough money. its a question of did we pay the right people and what are we getting in return. right now, only Martin is playing up to his contract. cooper and zeke are producing at a level that we could argue about. the rest are giving us ZILCH. NADA. ZERO. NOTHING BURGER.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Did you read the OP? It was not focused on the price tag, it was focused on his belief that the team has wasted years on Dak and how Dak doesn't have the ability to play to a level that will help the team have more success.

If you think the money is too great, that's okay, although I think most people overlook market factors and the fact you can't just dump one QB expecting an elite one will be readily available.

I find it odd timing anyway given that the Cowboys offense is averaging 31.5 points per game, and the defense is giving up 36.5 ppg. Obviously the turnovers need to clean up some, but does that really seem like the offense is the problem?

Did you read the title?

For those complaining about the past...."Cowboys make mistakes in compiling roster" isnt a headline it's an ongoing reality....one that is potentially perpetuated if we give Dak a three year contract.

The problem I have with the "pay Dak what he wants" brigade is that there's no suggestion on how we 're able to structure the whole team, im sorry but if you're using comments like "people overlook market factors" you may as well wish upon a star.

Some say, WE'VE ALWAYS FOUND MONEY FOR OUR STAR QB's, why not Dak?....well it's because the Jones/previous QB's have agreed long term deals which have allowed flexibility. To be fair to the Jones' they have always looked at long deals (at all positions), it's their MO. It really depends on what Dak feels is his priority, if he isnt prepared to negotiate on: 3 year contract or rate of pay, he's best off going to New England or Indianapolis as a 3 year market rate contract is counterproductive in us able to improve an awful defense and injury ravaged roster.

On your other points:
I dont expect, or think we need an immediate "elite" QB, i'd prefer to strengthen the Defense and have money to spend rather than dumpster diving for players like: Poe, Clinton-Dix and McCoy.
Strengthen the depth of the O-Line to enhance running game.

 

[CowboyoWales]

we paid smith. we paid martin. we paid fredrick. we paid collins. we paid lawrence. we paid Jaylon. we paid zeke. we paid cooper. we had enough to pay crawford, griffin, mccoy, Poe some substantial money....
and all with Dak against the books for 31M....

its not a question of do we have enough money. its a question of did we pay the right people and what are we getting in return. right now, only Martin is playing up to his contract. cooper and zeke are producing at a level that we could argue about. the rest are giving us ZILCH. NADA. ZERO. NOTHING BURGER.

2 points:

1) Each of those contracts were for longer than 3 years as its the Jones' MO as it enables them to restructure to find money when needed.
2) Unfortunately, there are some large salary increases to certain players in 2021 (Zack - $11m, Amari -$10, Tyron- $8m, Collins - $8m, Lawrence - $15).

Players arent playing up to their contracts, unfortunately, there's little you can do if the contract's signed.