Does Dalton do anything better than Dak?

[Aviano90]

his first game against the Giants. he was "too timid, dak and dunk" etc. This all started because he "stole" Romo's spot.

On the DC.com board it literally started after the first preseason game. I couldn't believe it. I was happy we finally had a serviceable back up but people had other things on their mind. Dak got praised by Romo haters, Romo lovers couldn't stand it and put the ever changing goalposts down that only got worse and grew in intensity as time went by:

It's only preseason.
Vanilla offense
Vanilla defense
Wait until regular season
Wait until he teams get tape on him
Wait until teams game plan for him
Wait until he plays a good defense
Wait until he plays in cold weather
Wait until he has the pressure of Romo coming back
Wait until the playoffs

 

[Philmonroe]

Calm down a bit. People do this all the time on this site, and I agree it's frustrating, but it is what it is. There are a lot that dislike Dak that do the same thing - are absent when the team wins, but come out in force when they don't - can ignore all the good things, and harp heavily on one bad thing. In any case, there is no beef with me. Again, I think Dalton shouldn't be judged too much on one game.

If I was anymore calm they'd have to check my pulse so try something that is actually representative of reality next time. I don't have no beef with anybody just said my pov and that we agree that it takes more than one game to really know anything.

 

[RonnieT24]

If I was anymore calm they'd have to check my pulse so try something that is actually representative of reality next time. I don't have no beef with anybody just said my pov and that we agree that it takes more than one game to really know anything.

No one is going to argue that last night was not a stinker. Since I am duty bound to watch my team I am also duty bound to hope like hell Dalton plays better going forward. If he doesn't step it up several notches we're headed for 3-13. We know the defense isn't going to morph into Doomsday IV anytime soon so scoring 30 a game is the only chance we have to win games. We're not going to score 30 a game throwing for 5 yards per pass play. I need Dalton to be better.. A LOT better. I don't think he can get to the level Dak was playing at but surely he can play better than this.

 

[uvaballa]

Yes but that wasnt after one game


We are talking about judging Dalton after this one game. If he goes to Washington and throws for 5Tds and we win, dont you see how foolish these posts are??

Dalton has played in a lot of games. Anyone with eyes knows he’s not better than Dak.

 

[Aviano90]

Did Dalton lead a prayer after the game?

 

[Philmonroe]

No one is going to argue that last night was not a stinker. Since I am duty bound to watch my team I am also duty bound to hope like hell Dalton plays better going forward. If he doesn't step it up several notches we're headed for 3-13. We know the defense isn't going to morph into Doomsday IV anytime soon so scoring 30 a game is the only chance we have to win games. We're not going to score 30 a game throwing for 5 yards per pass play. I need Dalton to be better.. A LOT better. I don't think he can get to the level Dak was playing at but surely he can play better than this.

Wasn't Dak throwing for 5 yards a play? I don't keep up with this stuff but I thought somebody said about him. Dalton could make a few more plays no doubt. I think he will over the course of the season but last night he didn't do his best when he had the few chances he had. Dak just makes the games look better stats wise. Statistically being down how we've been in games like Atl/Cle you're not coming back very often to win no matter who the QB is. Some fans like the stat padding but Dalton would've been doing the same thing last night IMO if we lost 38-20soemthing. You're just not winning those games very often and history backs this up like the Atl stat that nobody had ever won in like 450 something chances until we did.

 

[Philmonroe]

Dalton has played in a lot of games. Anyone with eyes knows he’s not better than Dak.

Give them the same talent I think you'll overall end up about the same over time. Dak probably a smidge better but in a moneyball type situation I'd take Dalton if they were closer in age esp with the team we had years past. They both get you 8/9 wins most years and that's my pov on it.

 

[Aftershock]

Give them the same talent I think you'll overall end up about the same over time. Dak probably a smidge better but in a moneyball type situation I'd take Dalton if they were closer in age esp with the team we had years past. They both get you 8/9 wins most years and that's my pov on it.

Exactly. The fools on here want to feel so vindicated about Dak being better then Dalton based on last night's game that they fail to remember that Dak hasn't won us ANYTHING since 2016. They are both not the answer. Imagine next season paying Dak $40M with a bum ankle, ruining our cap and destroying any chance we have in building a talented star-studded defense. DAK WAS 1-3 THIS SEASON. DAK WAS 8-8 LAST SEASON.

 

[RonnieT24]

Wasn't Dak throwing for 5 yards a play? I don't keep up with this stuff but I thought somebody said about him. Dalton could make a few more plays no doubt. I think he will over the course of the season but last night he didn't do his best when he had the few chances he had. Dak just makes the games look better stats wise. Statistically being down how we've been in games like Atl/Cle you're not coming back very often to win no matter who the QB is. Some fans like the stat padding but Dalton would've been doing the same thing last night IMO if we lost 38-20soemthing. You're just not winning those games very often and history backs this up like the Atl stat that nobody had ever won in like 450 something chances until we did.

I know you know better than this. Dak's yards per attempt this season is 8.4. Last night Dalton gave us a robust 4.9. As far as stat padding.. Dalton had under 100 yards in the first half and got over half his yards after the score was 31-3. If that's not stat padding I don't know what is. The bottom line is Dalton was actually WORSE than his final statline showed. Which is saying something because that 65.8 passer rating is plenty bad enough. Cite all the hypotheticals you want there is no changing the fact that Dak brought this team back from similar deficits on more than one occasion. At no point in time did it look like Dalton was even capable of the same. Dak doesn't just "make these game look better stats wise." He gives us a chance to win them.. as evidenced by the fact that he already won two of them.

 

[shabazz]

Did Dalton lead a prayer after the game?

 

[zrinkill]

Well I guess that shows that .... No matter how bad the Dak haters wanted it to be

 

[Philmonroe]

I know you know better than this. Dak's yards per attempt this season is 8.4. Last night Dalton gave us a robust 4.9. As far as stat padding.. Dalton had under 100 yards in the first half and got over half his yards after the score was 31-3. If that's not stat padding I don't know what is. The bottom line is Dalton was actually WORSE than his final statline showed. Which is saying something because that 65.8 passer rating is plenty bad enough. Cite all the hypotheticals you want there is no changing the fact that Dak brought this team back from similar deficits on more than one occasion. At no point in time did it look like Dalton was even capable of the same. Dak doesn't just "make these game look better stats wise." He gives us a chance to win them.. as evidenced by the fact that he already won two of them.

If I knew better I wouldn't have asked smh. Ok Dalton was stat padding then same as Dak so like I said no difference. I'm not above calling it out no matter who does so I'm not sure what your point is. Y'all worship Dak I don't and will call out anything I said is a problem for Dak on anybody. The inconsistent attack doesn't work one me. The only person who is speaking on hypothetical is you because Dak didn't bring nobody back from similar deficits on more than one occasion. He won 1 of them and didn't finish the other. If he was doing all this bringing back must've been in 2016 because recently he hasn't been winning like that.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Dalton has played in a lot of games. Anyone with eyes knows he’s not better than Dak.

and how many did he play with Ceedee Lamb, Michael Gallup, Amari Cooper, and Zeke?

 

[Sevenup3000]

Who in their right mind judged Dak after his first game???

Go away. With that same "elite" talent, "almost MVP" Dalton put up the least amount of points, yards...on 54 attempts...and got Dallas their worst home lost at AT&T stadium.

Now you and your ilk are sitting up here talking about Dalton's first game...as if YOU and your ilk didn't spend the whole damn week praising 10 year vet Dalton for being a top 15 QB and saying that we will see ZERO drop in production with Dalton.

Go away.

 

[RonnieT24]

If I knew better I wouldn't have asked smh. Ok Dalton was stat padding then same as Dak so like I said no difference. I'm not above calling it out no matter who does so I'm not sure what your point is. Y'all worship Dak I don't and will call out anything I said is a problem for Dak on anybody. The inconsistent attack doesn't work one me. The only person who is speaking on hypothetical is you because Dak didn't bring nobody back from similar deficits on more than one occasion. He won 1 of them and didn't finish the other. If he was doing all this bringing back must've been in 2016 because recently he hasn't been winning like that.

Again your perception does not equal reality:

Dak brought the team back from down 20 against the Falcons and won..
He brought them back from down 15 against the Seahawks to take the lead and then watched the defense drop trow to Russell Wilson.
He brought them back from down 27 to within 3 against Cleveland and watched the defense drop trow to OBJ.
He brought them back from 14 against the Giants to take the lead before he got hurt.
The fact of the matter is he brought the team back from 14 points or more down to take the lead in three of the first five games. His biggest failing is that he doesn't play defense so it has been touch and go getting those leads to stand up. Not to mention Andy's butt fumble against the G-men surrendering that lead.

By the way.. "Some fans like the stat padding but Dalton would've been doing the same thing last night IMO if we lost 38-20soemthing." is a hypothetical. That's actually two hypotheticals in one sentence. You see you posit the notion that Dalton was somehow going to lead the team to 10 more points and that some fans would be happy about it. If you thought that at any point last night you clearly just listened to the game on the radio and didn't watch. At no time did it look like Dalton was capable of leading this team anywhere. The only chance we had to win was if Zeke got rolling and once he fumbled it twice there was no way to get his head back in the game. That and the defense doing its usual bend over after a turnover.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Go away. With that same "elite" talent, "almost MVP" Dalton put up the least amount of points, yards...on 54 attempts...and got Dallas their worst home lost at AT&T stadium.

Now you and your ilk are sitting up here talking about Dalton's first game...as if YOU and your ilk didn't spend the whole damn week praising 10 year vet Dalton for being a top 15 QB and saying that we will see ZERO drop in production with Dalton.

Go away.

This post shows how stupid you are


-Zack Martin missed most of the game meaning McGovern (whom obviously isnt ready to play) had to be forced into the game

-Gallup dropped an easy TD

-Refs missed obvious Pi on Ceedee which led to a INT


How about we compare what they did in the same game against the same defense:

Dalton:
9/11
111 yds
108 rating

Dak:
14/21
166 yds
0 TD
1 pick six
70 rating



Yea, so like go away chump

 

[Philmonroe]

Again your perception does not equal reality:

Dak brought the team back from down 20 against the Falcons and won..
He brought them back from down 15 against the Seahawks to take the lead and then watched the defense drop trow to Russell Wilson.
He brought them back from down 27 to within 3 against Cleveland and watched the defense drop trow to OBJ.
He brought them back from 14 against the Giants to take the lead before he got hurt.
The fact of the matter is he brought the team back from 14 points or more down to take the lead in three of the first five games. His biggest failing is that he doesn't play defense so it has been touch and go getting those leads to stand up. Not to mention Andy's butt fumble against the G-men surrendering that lead.

By the way.. "Some fans like the stat padding but Dalton would've been doing the same thing last night IMO if we lost 38-20soemthing." is a hypothetical. That's actually two hypotheticals in one sentence. You see you posit the notion that Dalton was somehow going to lead the team to 10 more points and that some fans would be happy about it. If you thought that at any point last night you clearly just listened to the game on the radio and didn't watch. At no time did it look like Dalton was capable of leading this team anywhere. The only chance we had to win was if Zeke got rolling and once he fumbled it twice there was no way to get his head back in the game. That and the defense doing its usual bend over after a turnover.

One post ago you just said he did it more than once but then tell me about games they lost? Lay off the drugs. Like I've told you before you try to be smart but you're not on this topic so you should really stop trying to be something you're not. I never posted anything saying he was going to do jack spit in last nights game in that post. I said if he did it it would be stat padding. That doesn't equate to somehow he was going to do it in a game we already know the results for smh.

 

[Sevenup3000]

On the DC.com board it literally started after the first preseason game. I couldn't believe it. I was happy we finally had a serviceable back up but people had other things on their mind. Dak got praised by Romo haters, Romo lovers couldn't stand it and put the ever changing goalposts down that only got worse and grew in intensity as time went by:

It's only preseason.
Vanilla offense
Vanilla defense
Wait until regular season
Wait until he teams get tape on him
Wait until teams game plan for him
Wait until he plays a good defense
Wait until he plays in cold weather
Wait until he has the pressure of Romo coming back
Wait until the playoffs

THIS. The Dak hate started after his first preseason start against the Rams where he was basically perfect.

The first time I visited this board...the VERY first thread I saw was one after the Steelers victory. The thread called for Dak to break his leg and/or suffer a concussion so that Romo could play. This was how posters were talking about a rookie that did NOTHING wrong but saved their season from being a repeat of 2015.

And the Romo idiots haven't forgiven Dak since.

 

[OmerV]

If I knew better I wouldn't have asked smh. Ok Dalton was stat padding then same as Dak so like I said no difference. I'm not above calling it out no matter who does so I'm not sure what your point is. Y'all worship Dak I don't and will call out anything I said is a problem for Dak on anybody. The inconsistent attack doesn't work one me. The only person who is speaking on hypothetical is you because Dak didn't bring nobody back from similar deficits on more than one occasion. He won 1 of them and didn't finish the other. If he was doing all this bringing back must've been in 2016 because recently he hasn't been winning like that.

I'm always curious about this "stat padding" thing, particularly since it seems to come across as if the QB is being accused of intentionally running the offense with the intent of "padding stats".

Granted, some stats are built while the opposing team is trying to prevent quick scores, but do we expect the QB to tell his team and OC "screw you, I'm not going to throw the ball"? Especially when there is a chance to get back in the game and have some chance of winning, which there has been in every loss this season except last night. That's just the QB doing his job.

Frankly, as long as their is a chance to win, I don't see those as meaningless stats. The fact they lost most of those games doesn't change that - if that were the case the stats of all QBs in a losing effort shouldn't be counted. The reality is those stats made the team competitive (except last night), and gave the team a chance, so they did have meaning.

 

[Philmonroe]

I'm always curious about this "stat padding" thing, particularly since it seems to come across as if the QB is being accused of intentionally running the offense with the intent of "padding stats".

Granted, some stats are built while the opposing team is trying to prevent quick scores, but do we expect the QB to tell his team and OC "screw you, I'm not going to throw the ball"? Especially when there is a chance to get back in the game and have some chance of winning, which there has been in every loss this season except last night. That's just the QB doing his job.

Frankly, as long as their is a chance to win, I don't see those as meaningless stats. The fact they lost most of those games doesn't change that - if that were the case the stats of all QBs in a losing effort shouldn't be counted. The reality is those stats made the team competitive (except last night), and gave the team a chance, so they did have meaning.

If you think that stat padding literally means what you said when people,say it I can't help you. I'm always curious when people get conveniently obtuse on words.

Like one of my favorite things you're doing a pretzel to let Dak off the hook on this one I see. This whole all qb's that lose stats shouldn't be counted is so bad faith it isn't even funny. You already showed you on some silly stuff with bold. That's what people mean with stat padding smh. Being down like Cle you're not winning those games often period so yes you're basically stat padding. Even football eon you win an Atl game but history tells you that's not even close to the norm so,that's why it is considered stat padding. It doesn't mean the QB just doing it for numbers even though they might. For me its game when you have little chance to win based on the norm not the outliers aka the Falcons game. If its a good game stats wise and you just lose that's not stat padding. I shouldn't have to tell you that and that's why it feels you're coming in bad faith with this post.