How would have Dak performed tonight (CARDS)

[SteveTheCowboy]

LMAO.. I was particularly impressed with the one where he led Cooper so well that the ball went right to the safety who was lurking inside. But I don't expect you to admit that sometime leading the receiver is the WRONG thing to do. Dalton hit Baker between the numbers so golf clap for his accuracy. The other nice thing was when ESPN put up graphic showing that the the Cowboys were NUMBER ONE IN THE NFL in yards after the catch coming into this games. Any thoughts as to whether they were able to retain that ranking after last night's debacle?

I'm with you. We lynch Andy NOW based on one game with even LESS of an o-line than before. let git 'im.

 

[RonnieT24]

I don't believe there's that many people who truly believe Dak sucks.

We been getting our arse whipped all season long, by bad teams...not sure why we're putting Dak up on the pedestal and sheet-canning Andy...already.

The results are pretty much a wash.

No actually they're not. 33 ppg gives you a MUCH higher chance of winning that 10 ppg. If we maintained the 33 ppg we were getting from Dak we could have expected to sweep the Giants and Washington and at least split with the Eagles. That's 6 wins right there. Then we could have expected to beat Cincy getting us to 7. From there we only need to steal one from a "good" team.. Maybe SF at home.. Maybe the Vikings on the road. That gets us to 8-8 which IMHO would win this division. Which frankly given a defense giving up over 30 ppg would represent a miracle of biblical proportions.

 

[basel90]

a loss with dak as well . we have seen dak lose many like these games. The issues with the cowboys is not the QB position ,. Anyone who thinks dak would have won the game against the cardinals is delusional.

 

[Swagger]

a loss with dak as well . we have seen dak lose many like these games. The issues with the cowboys is not the QB position ,. Anyone who thinks dak would have won the game against the cardinals is delusional.

True story.

 

[Chuck 54]

Like him or not, you cannot undervalue Dak’s knowledge of the offensive system and his receivers. Years in the same system is critical when the defense brings pressure. Dalton is new to the system and receivers, with a shortened camp and no game experience from preseason. He will improve, but his lack of knowledge and chemistry was evident under pressure.

 

[ItzKelz]

This OL was decimated tonight. How would Dak have fared behind it?

Like he has all season. This was nothing new. Dak had problems with the OL too. He just is better equipped to handle it. Difference between a franchise QB and a backup

 

[RonnieT24]

I'm with you. We lynch Andy NOW based on one game with even LESS of an o-line than before. let git 'im.

I'm not interested in lynching anybody. I am merely stating facts. The offense was FAR less productive with Dalton at the helm than it had been with Dak. No amount of hyperbole is going to change that. Dalton has 10 games to prove last night was not who he is as a player. Win or lose if he doesn't play a LOT better nobody is going to offer him anything above vet min next year. For all the slow start talk do you realize that last night was the first time all season that the Cowboys did not score at least 10 points in the first half? In fact in the last game Dak played they had scored 24 in the first half. But of course the Cardinal defense is the Steel Curtain re-incarnated. So what did we expect right?

 

[DandyDon52]

he likely would’ve read the blitz better and at least attempted to run out of the pocket or throw the ball away. Don’t forget that Dak played behind essentially the same line in the Seattle and 1st half of the Giants game minus Martin, of course. He didn’t fare this badly. Martin is a GREAT guard, but I doubt he’s what made this O-line go from meddling, held by tape, to dollar tree assembled car levels of bad.


In addition to that, He would’ve thrown in “garbage points”, which Dalton sadly didn’t do tonight

some things people dont consider, is that the arizona defense was playing good, their whole defense played good.
When dak faced a good defense in LA dallas only scored 17 points.
So lets give the other team credit for playing good defense and having a good game plan.
whenever I could see dallas receivers were well covered, and dalton had guys coming free on him and pressure all night.

This was daltons first game after a week of practice, and with goofy kellen calling some bad plays at wrong times.
I also think the whole team went flat after the 2 elliot fumbles.

Did dalton play good, at times yes, and at other times no,but it was his first game, and he got no help from team mates, like gallup letting td pass go thru
his hands. and there were some other drops.

The other thing I noticed, was the arizona drives were some long drives, and cowboys had 1 really long drive for the only td, and all that just made the game
shorter , less possesions.

Would dak have won this game?? maybe , maybe not , you cant go by past weeks, as they were not playing cards in past weeks lol.
I think cowboys would have done better with dak for sure , and they should.

like I said before the game dalton needs 2 games to get back into a playing groove, so the phil game is where I will judge him.

I think dak can at times overcome kellens awful game plans and play calling, but I dont think dalton is going to be able to do that .
I think right now our biggest issue isnt with players, but a few of our coaches, MM, kellen, and Nolan, are all doing a awful job and have all season.
Like the 58 yd fg attempt, that was really dumb, they should have punted and tried to pin them inside the 20. Instead arizona got great field position again.

 

[Typhus]

The true delusional fans are those that let Jerry just set back and watch the fan base argue pointlessly over Dak vs Andy...
Just look at this forum as a microcosm, we desperately want to see this team improve, but it just keeps getting worse every year.
A lot of bad misfortune with injuries this year probably makes us worse than an 8-8 team.
Without any injuries, maybe better than 8-8 in another appearance in another pointless post season.
Most of the threads in this forum are filled with trolls on both sides of the endless, pointless Dak vs anyone that can fog a mirror BS..
Point is Dak could never carry this franchise on his back, and Andy is nothing more than a scapegoat.

 

[Future]

Point is Dak could never carry this franchise on his back, and Andy is nothing more than a scapegoat.

What on earth does this even mean.

Dak has been carrying the team - as evidenced by yesterday - and still constantly scapegoated. Dalton played as bad a game as Dak has had in, like 2 years, and is still getting the "it wouldn't have mattered who was playing QB" pass.

What is your point?

 

[Plankton]

This OL was decimated tonight. How would Dak have fared behind it?

Horribly - he has a broken ankle, after all.

 

[Typhus]

What on earth does this even mean.

Dak has been carrying the team - as evidenced by yesterday - and still constantly scapegoated. Dalton played as bad a game as Dak has had in, like 2 years, and is still getting the "it wouldn't have mattered who was playing QB" pass.

What is your point?

My point?
As great as you believe that Dak is, do you honestly believe he could get this team anywhere?
Are you being serious?
Montana couldnt get this team anywhere.

 

[Future]

My point?
As great as you believe that Dak is, do you honestly believe he could get this team anywhere?
Are you being serious?
Montana couldnt get this team anywhere.

He could get them further than Dalton.

Your point was that Dalton is getting scapegoated. That's very different than this post. Nobody is blaming Dalton for the loss, but Dak has been scapegoated for basically every game they didn't win by 50 in the last two years.

 

[phildadon86]

I'm with you. We lynch Andy NOW based on one game with even LESS of an o-line than before. let git 'im.

He almost threw the pick 6 in the first quarter before Martin went down. So no. Same line. Dalton is trash and has been for a while. The fact everyone here expected him to be better than Dak says a lot about your overall football knowledge. Also. I see you talking about leading the WR. I saw him lead Cedric Wilson into a shattered sternum. Something that Dalton would never do and only Dak does (heard that here). Whats the excuse for that?

 

[Typhus]

He could get them further than Dalton.

Your point was that Dalton is getting scapegoated. That's very different than this post. Nobody is blaming Dalton for the loss, but Dak has been scapegoated for basically every game they didn't win by 50 in the last two years.

Maybe by the masses, but not from the realists that actually do exist in this forum, in this fan base.
You want to strip the entire team down and rebuild around a 40 mill per Dak, than cool, Im down with that,, but that is not a plausible build considering the contracts to Dlaw, Zeke...
The dead cap cant support the bad build model.
There is more to a winning franchise than just loving a player, and praying that he gets payed.
Daks payroll demands,..... along with the rest of the horrible contracts, will continue the dismissal return on investment.
But lets all keep fighting back and forth about how cutting another huge contract to a player will make a difference.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Well, to be fair, Martin is probably the best remaining player on the line.

To be fair, he might be the best player on this team. Losing Martin is a big deal and the truth, at least in my opinion, is that Dak isn't scoring 30 points. He's going to be having the same issues because we can't protect. If he runs, maybe he gets his leg broken a game or two later. If he throws it up under pressure, maybe he throws more picks. If he holds the ball, maybe he takes more sacks or coughs it up. Truth is, nobody knows and it's unlikely that he puts up 30 IMO.

 

[zerofill]

I don't really know what went on with Dalton... since you see some laser like passes.. and then mistakes.

That being said... it doesn't matter if it was Dak or Dalton... this team is crap.

We don't seem to have the best O-line, D-line, DBs, RB, QB, Receivers... I mean DAMN!
Was there anyone on this team that didn't suck yesterday?

 

[Future]

Maybe by the masses, but not from the realists that actually do exist in this forum, in this fan base.
You want to strip the entire team down and rebuild around a 40 mill per Dak, than cool, Im down with that,, but that is not a plausible build considering the contracts to Dlaw, Zeke...
The dead cap cant support the bad build model.
There is more to a winning franchise than just loving a player, and praying that he gets payed.
Daks payroll demands,..... along with the rest of the horrible contracts, will continue the dismissal return on investment.
But lets all keep fighting back and forth about how cutting another huge contract to a player will make a difference.

If Dak isn't worth $40m isn't your point, fine.

But again, that's not what I responded to. Stop moving the goalposts.

 

[Typhus]

I don't really know what went on with Dalton... since you see some laser like passes.. and then mistakes.

That being said... it doesn't matter if it was Dak or Dalton... this team is crap.

We don't seem to have the best O-line, D-line, DBs, RB, QB, Receivers... I mean DAMN!
Was there anyone on this team that didn't suck yesterday?

Where was Rowdy?

 

[Typhus]

If Dak isn't worth $40m isn't your point, fine.

But again, that's not what I responded to. Stop moving the goalposts.

Im not moving goal post bro,,, they are too far away except if your Greg the Leg.
What Im saying and have been saying since we drafted Zeke at 4 overall, is that you cant keep making mistake after mistake, constantly trying to draft a project like Gregory, Jaylon, wasting draft picks.
This has been a problem for years, its not Dak fault.
I actually feel horrible for the player, for Dak.
You put Dak in KC and put Mahomes on this team and Im willing to bet that results would be very similar as to what they are now for both teams.