What changed. a sincere question

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It all comes down to personnel. Good players make bad coaches look like geniuses. Good coaches make bad players look like all pros. You can guess what bad coaches and bad players combined will look like. You’re seeing it right now. Bottom line is you have to have a front office that can either get you good players or hire good coaches. Neither have been done consistently since Jimmy left. Right now, we’re in that bad player funk as the defense has been purposefully ignored for years at key positions. Well, maybe not ignored just not able to bring in the right talent...
 

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They have ownership that can pick good players and coaches and we don't
 

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When Jimmy Johnson was here he called the shots when it came to the players. Since he left Jerry has done that. That is the difference. When the Joneses relinquish their control of the roster the Cowboys will have an opportunity to improve. The fact is, if the GM is the source of all the bad decisions and you can't fire the GM then the bad decisions are going to continue.
 

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The game has passed by Jerry Jones. The NFL started to shift about 5 years ago...and Jerry has failed to realize it.
 

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....actually, its not that hard to figure out. The Jones family think they are football Guru's, so they run it in house. Now they see that doesn't work. They need to put trust in other people who know football.
 

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I am 43... and I just simply cannot express what I feel.. I am beyond frustrated, angry and disappointed. But anyway... back in the 90s... The following teams:

Saints
Seahawks
Cardinals
Bucs

These them simply sucked and sucked hard.
Now they have been very good for years, and well we all know what happened to our Cowboys?

Did the former teams changed ownership or what happened?
I know free agency etc etc.. but still.. WHAT CHANGED?


WHY TEH ·$·$·$·$$%/%(/() so we SUCK SO DAMB HARD?
I honestly do not see and end do this mes1

Good point

The answer is called owners knowing their place and hiring competent GM’s and HC’s to run their teams.

All teams go through down periods or rebuilding but when you look at the cowboys over the years, there are a couple of teams to use as a comparison.

The best example would be the Steelers, they’ve had the occasional bad seasons but have been consistent over the decades.
Look at how they handled Bell and compare that to our FO and Zeke who held them hostage failing to honor his contract cause he wanted more money.

Look at Antonio Brown widely considered the best wideout in the game, when his attitude became a detriment he was gone.

Compare that to the clowns on this team who fail to produce after making boasts on social media, or a guy like Woods and his comments about playing hard on every down, etc..., there are tons of examples.

We had the right recipe for success and were spoiled by Landry and subsequently by Jimmy Johnson and his teams.

Unfortunately, we have an owner who believes he is the oracle of football knowledge... when in reality he and his son are buffoons.

Jerrah is a marketing and business genius... but a mental midget at running a team.

Until he steps back and hires a GM and allows his HC to run the team nothing will change.
 
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....actually, its not that hard to figure out. The Jones family think they are football Guru's, so they run it in house. Now they see that doesn't work. They need to put trust in other people who know football.

Who knows football?
 

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Honestly, who the heck knows? With so many injuries, it is hard to truly evaluate all the variables.

The players just stunk it up this year. Both mentally and physically. Little to no production from Lawrence, minimal to negative production from Zeke and Jaylon Smith, and zero production from Tyron Smith and Collins and Awuzie. That is like $65M spent on nothing.
 

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Dumb and dumber w/out Jimmy.


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I am 43... and I just simply cannot express what I feel.. I am beyond frustrated, angry and disappointed. But anyway... back in the 90s... The following teams:

Saints
Seahawks
Cardinals
Bucs

These them simply sucked and sucked hard.
Now they have been very good for years, and well we all know what happened to our Cowboys?

Did the former teams changed ownership or what happened?
I know free agency etc etc.. but still.. WHAT CHANGED?


WHY TEH ·$·$·$·$$%/%(/() so we SUCK SO DAMB HARD?
I honestly do not see and end do this mes1
The bucs and cardinals sucked last year. A good offseason changes a lot. Healthy players matter too.
 

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You do understand that talent alone isn’t enough. If we had Mahomes and the entire All Pro first team roster from last year, that does not fix this mess. This mess is DEEP. And it starts at the top. This mess is culture.
I understand that to have a chance you have to have a QB. I understand that these teams haven’t been as consistently good as the OP mentioned. Saints spent several years building a defense and what is my opinion a premier Oline, Hawks had a rapid decline from what looked like a franchise. Cards have sucked more often than not, hence picking Murray. And the Bucks have been at best consistently inconsistent. But yeah, I understand exactly your point!
 

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I am 43... and I just simply cannot express what I feel.. I am beyond frustrated, angry and disappointed. But anyway... back in the 90s... The following teams:

Saints
Seahawks
Cardinals
Bucs

These them simply sucked and sucked hard.
Now they have been very good for years, and well we all know what happened to our Cowboys?

Did the former teams changed ownership or what happened?
I know free agency etc etc.. but still.. WHAT CHANGED?


WHY TEH ·$·$·$·$$%/%(/() so we SUCK SO DAMB HARD?
I honestly do not see and end do this mes1

Saints: Finally found the right coach / QB combination in 2006

Seahawks: Paul Allen buying the team in 1997

Cardinals: Bidwell's went through some awful coaches after their move to Arizona, but they have tried to find the right coach. I would rank them last on your list.

Bucs: Glazer family buying the Bucs in 1995
 

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You do understand that talent alone isn’t enough. If we had Mahomes and the entire All Pro first team roster from last year, that does not fix this mess. This mess is DEEP. And it starts at the top. This mess is culture.
Today we got beat by another equally dysfunctional organization. Two toxic, narcissistic owners who have driven their proud franchises into the ground. Dan Snyder's very below average team beat our very below average team. Dysfunction beat dysfunction. I am hoping the more we get smashed by other dysfunctional teams the more embarrassed Jerry gets. This is not going to get better unless Jerry has a coming to God moment. As @Bobhaze stated in another thread, this dysfunction is deep. 25 years old deep. Talent and coaches can not outdo Jerry's dysfunctional, toxic environment.

The only thing that would make me feel any better this year. Actually I've given this a lot of thought. If The Narcissist came out and said at the end of he year he's going to make sweeping changes and organizational changes, I wouldn't care. I'd still feel as hopeless. Also if we started winning games I would not be happy, I would still feel hopeless. The only thing that would make me feel better right now If the narcissist called his fat coach and starting next week or after the bye Jaylon, DLaw, Zeke, pretty much the whole defensive line all got benched. They all become 2nd string. Even players like Griffen, Poe, the whole secondary, if their contracts are for only this year then cut them. If there is no salary cap ramifications from cutting Poe, Griffen, Aldon Smith, etc then just flat out cut them. Anyone else like Zeke, Jaylon, DLaw, bench them. Role with younger guys that are hungry. This would tell me that the Narcissist is serious now.

When Jimmy left Jerry made a philosophical change that the players run the show and everyone else is secondary. The players come first and there's no questioning that. This is when the dysfunction started and it's been brewing ever since, and getting worse and worse. There is a famous story of Michael Irvin in training camp in '94 or 95. He took the fellas out for a night on the town. The next day he and half the team was hungover. They weren't practicing well. Troy was pissed. Switzer said, "what do you want, do you want me to cut Michael Irvin?". Troy said "no, cut that guy and that guy and make the rest run until they start puking". Switzer blew him off. After a bit Switzer gathered the team and said that they "weren't into it" and called off practice. Troy was furious and in the show A Football Life they said that's when the rift between Switzer and Aikman started. I agree. I want to add at that very moment the Dallas Cowboys died. Why did Jerry THE OWNER and Jerry THE GM allow the coach to call off practice because the fellas were tired and hungover from partying all night? That's when it became more about partying and having fun and less about winning. That's the moment the dysfunction began. At that moment Jerry allowed the players partying and living the high life of being a Cowboy to become more of a priority than winning.

So @Bobhaze is right in this thread and in another thread. No amount of talent can fix this thing. This is deep and embedded in the organizational psyche. Players run the show here and what they want they get. Partying and bein g famous is more of a priority than winning. That's also modeled by the The Narcissist Owner and GM. It's really a mess. That's why benching the guys would give me hope. But that'll never happen cuz The Narcissist will not allow his players to feel bad. sucks
 

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Today we got beat by another equally dysfunctional organization. Two toxic, narcissistic owners who have driven their proud franchises into the ground. Dan Snyder's very below average team beat our very below average team. Dysfunction beat dysfunction. I am hoping the more we get smashed by other dysfunctional teams the more embarrassed Jerry gets. This is not going to get better unless Jerry has a coming to God moment. As @Bobhaze stated in another thread, this dysfunction is deep. 25 years old deep. Talent and coaches can not outdo Jerry's dysfunctional, toxic environment.

The only thing that would make me feel any better this year. Actually I've given this a lot of thought. If The Narcissist came out and said at the end of he year he's going to make sweeping changes and organizational changes, I wouldn't care. I'd still feel as hopeless. Also if we started winning games I would not be happy, I would still feel hopeless. The only thing that would make me feel better right now If the narcissist called his fat coach and starting next week or after the bye Jaylon, DLaw, Zeke, pretty much the whole defensive line all got benched. They all become 2nd string. Even players like Griffen, Poe, the whole secondary, if their contracts are for only this year then cut them. If there is no salary cap ramifications from cutting Poe, Griffen, Aldon Smith, etc then just flat out cut them. Anyone else like Zeke, Jaylon, DLaw, bench them. Role with younger guys that are hungry. This would tell me that the Narcissist is serious now.

When Jimmy left Jerry made a philosophical change that the players run the show and everyone else is secondary. The players come first and there's no questioning that. This is when the dysfunction started and it's been brewing ever since, and getting worse and worse. There is a famous story of Michael Irvin in training camp in '94 or 95. He took the fellas out for a night on the town. The next day he and half the team was hungover. They weren't practicing well. Troy was pissed. Switzer said, "what do you want, do you want me to cut Michael Irvin?". Troy said "no, cut that guy and that guy and make the rest run until they start puking". Switzer blew him off. After a bit Switzer gathered the team and said that they "weren't into it" and called off practice. Troy was furious and in the show A Football Life they said that's when the rift between Switzer and Aikman started. I agree. I want to add at that very moment the Dallas Cowboys died. Why did Jerry THE OWNER and Jerry THE GM allow the coach to call off practice because the fellas were tired and hungover from partying all night? That's when it became more about partying and having fun and less about winning. That's the moment the dysfunction began. At that moment Jerry allowed the players partying and living the high life of being a Cowboy to become more of a priority than winning.

So @Bobhaze is right in this thread and in another thread. No amount of talent can fix this thing. This is deep and embedded in the organizational psyche. Players run the show here and what they want they get. Partying and bein g famous is more of a priority than winning. That's also modeled by the The Narcissist Owner and GM. It's really a mess. That's why benching the guys would give me hope. But that'll never happen cuz The Narcissist will not allow his players to feel bad. sucks
great post!!!!
this is a great read for young ' Boys fans
 

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I am 43... and I just simply cannot express what I feel.. I am beyond frustrated, angry and disappointed. But anyway... back in the 90s... The following teams:

Saints
Seahawks
Cardinals
Bucs

These them simply sucked and sucked hard.
Now they have been very good for years, and well we all know what happened to our Cowboys?

Did the former teams changed ownership or what happened?
I know free agency etc etc.. but still.. WHAT CHANGED?


WHY TEH ·$·$·$·$$%/%(/() so we SUCK SO DAMB HARD?
I honestly do not see and end do this mes1
The day everything changed for this franchise is the moment Jerrah Jones decoded he was the reason for the teams success in the 90’s..

All those teams that you mentioned do not have an egomaniac owner who controls every decision, they leave that to their GM and HC.

The cowboys had that recipe until Jerrah changed it all.

When I look at the train wreck this team has become I compare them to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Sure they’ve had some bad seasons but decade after decade they have good teams.
The difference is an ownership that leaves the football operations and personnel decisions to their GM and HC.
One only has to look at how they dealt with Bell who held out for more money and compare that to Zeke and his antics. Zeke held out while under contract for more money and the football mental midget that is Jerrah made him the highest paid RB ever.

The Steelers refused to be held hostage and let him go, does anyone think Bell to this day doesn’t regret his actions.
Heck look at the so called best receiver in football Antonio Brown and how they dealt with his bs.

No medelling by the owner as he stood by his GM and HC

imagine how Jerrah would have handled it and you have your answer as to what is wrong, HC’s that have no real decision making short of holding a clipboard and answering questions after a game.
Players knowing once they cash in, they no longer have to play at a high level and can enjoy the benefits of membership in the country club.

No repercussions, no accountability, until Jerrah steps back with his idiot son and allows a GM to run football operations with an HC

nothing will ever change
 

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I am 43... and I just simply cannot express what I feel.. I am beyond frustrated, angry and disappointed. But anyway... back in the 90s... The following teams:

Saints
Seahawks
Cardinals
Bucs

These them simply sucked and sucked hard.
Now they have been very good for years, and well we all know what happened to our Cowboys?

Did the former teams changed ownership or what happened?
I know free agency etc etc.. but still.. WHAT CHANGED?


WHY TEH ·$·$·$·$$%/%(/() so we SUCK SO DAMB HARD?
I honestly do not see and end do this mes1
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You are stuck with the worst general manager in the league until death.
 

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Years of rebuilding and typically a coaching change as well. Tampa/Arizona really haven't been good up until this year. New coaches and qbs in 2019/2020.

Same with Seattle getting wilson/carroll, and new orleans with brees/Payton.

The other thing is all these teams were really bad for several years before they got good, so they did have some years of top draft picks before they landed the coach/qb combo.

It took the Chiefs 50 years to win the Super Bowl again.
 

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When Jimmy Johnson was here he called the shots when it came to the players. Since he left Jerry has done that. That is the difference. When the Joneses relinquish their control of the roster the Cowboys will have an opportunity to improve. The fact is, if the GM is the source of all the bad decisions and you can't fire the GM then the bad decisions are going to continue.

Actually, from 2003-06, Bill Parcells was calling the shots. We can pick apart his drafts all we want, like Julius Jones, or wanting to draft Spears ahead of Ware, or drafting Anthony Fasano in the 2nd round, etc. But at least HE was the one picking the groceries.

It was the one 4 year period in the past quarter century when I wasn't worried about bad coaching or undisciplined play. Sure, the overall talent was pretty bare to start out with, but we had a winner by 2006.

And before I hear another "BP quit" on this team when he walked out of Valley Ranch for the last time after that tough playoff loss to Seattle, remember this:

BP was all about limiting the drama and primadonnas. Despite the all world talent, I truly believe BP deep down didn't want the distraction and headache T.O. brought to the Cowboys. But he clearly made them a playoff contender, along with Romo and Witten. But in the end, I think it was that move -- a Jerry move (signing T.O.) that BP reluctantly went along with, that ruined the delicate locker room chemistry BP was so very hard trying to instill. After the '06 season, even with the bright future of that Cowboys team, just like that, BP was done in Big D.

And thus left the last real football, Xs and Is disciplinarian coach we've had since Jimmy Johnson.
 

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It took the Chiefs 50 years to win the Super Bowl again.
Yup, and again it took a head coach to turn things around, qb to put things over the top. You're at a huge disadvantage in this leaguebifbyou dont have both.
 
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