For the tankers and sellers (Jeff Cavanaugh video)

[jaythecowboy]

Good video on realistic trade options to get additional draft capital.

 

[Gaede]

He is right about all of this.

 

[Sydla]

I will stupidly wait one more week. I know, I know, I am being foolish. But this division is so bad that they can technically still win it.

They will likely get destroyed in Philly, especially if DiNucci is the QB. At that point, yeah, I slap on the for sale sign and see if I can start accumulating more later round picks. If I can get a 6th round pick for say Lewis, then maybe during the draft I can package two 6th rounders to move back into the 5th. Or if I have two 5ths, I can move back into the 4th.

The other thing is that we aren't terrible in drafting late round guys. Sure, we have some real bombs in that 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th rounds. But Biadasz was a 4th rounder and he looks like he might have a future. Wilson is a decent WR plucked in the 6th. Pollard was a 4th rounder. They seem to like Anae who was a 5th rounder. Noah Brown was a 7th rounder. Brown was a 6th rounder. Schultz has actually been serviceable and he was a 4th rounder.

That's not a ringing endorsement of their late round scouting but they still do at least a decent job of finding later round guys.

And then the other thing at play here is the cap............ we are scraping up against it, especially when the 2021 cap number is lower. Cheap, young players helps in that regard.

 

[Sydla]

One other thing.

In order to do this, you need a GM that's willing to face reality. These two knuckleheads are stupid and ignorant enough to keep thinking they can salvage this. Which is funny, considering Stephen basically said today there is a learning curve here. OK Stephen. Then if this year is a learning year, then get rid of guys you won't bring back anyway like a Lewis or a guy like Smith who might get a bigger payday somewhere else.

It's so simple. But they will so screw it up.

 

[blumayne38]

One other thing.

In order to do this, you need a GM that's willing to face reality. These two knuckleheads are stupid and ignorant enough to keep thinking they can salvage this. Which is funny, considering Stephen basically said today there is a learning curve here. OK Stephen. Then if this year is a learning year, then get rid of guys you won't bring back anyway like a Lewis or a guy like Smith who might get a bigger payday somewhere else.

It's so simple. But they will so screw it up.

It’s not impossible with a few moves you can give some of the players that still want this crappy division reason to play hard. They likely are smart enough to wanna do this but to dumb to execute.

 

[Sydla]

It’s not impossible with a few moves you can give some of the players that still want this crappy division reason to play hard. They likely are smart enough to wanna do this but to dumb to execute.

You just gotta hope that if Philly smokes us, which they likely will if DiNucci is QB, Jerry and Stephen admit reality here. Philly is pretty terrible in their own right so getting smoke by them should be the final straw. But I fear Jerry will think once we get Dalton back, we can get on a roll and take the division.

That would be stupid but then again so have the last 25 years been stupid and he hasn't changed.

 

[fivetwos]

The biggest problem this team has is they gave extensions to the wrong guys that they cant get out of until at least after next year.

Lawrence and Smith alone....their pay vs return are awful.

Cooper has been ok but is a luxury on this roster.

It doesnt need a full three year rebuild because they have the QB, and there are no doubt some building blocks here.

 

[jterrell]

A few things here:
Super Bowl or bust people should be punched repeatedly in the face.
The entire meaning of sport is lost on these whiny, entitled people.
The Dallas Cowboys became America's Team with only 2 Super Bowl wins.
It was consistently playing high level football and doing it with class.
Make the playoffs every year, win games at high rates and repeat.

Many of these last year guys will result in comp picks.
Why would you go help some other team you will have to compete against next year??
For a bunch of pick sin a year where you ALREADY have a lot of picks?
What's the point exactly.
Just get picks in 2022 when you need them/have roster slots.

The dart to throw at board thing is just stupid. This is literally what the Cowboys did under Lacewell and others.
Stack up bad picks and hope you hit. Then you don't hit.
You KNOW you are cutting half the guys you draft in that scenario because you already have roster slots counted.
You don't trade off legit NFL players for that.
You don't make people move to go play for another city if you think you can re-sign them.

You absolutely look to trade guys you don't want/expect back IF You get a good deal but you don't trade guys you don't want back and you don't trade for a bunch of really low picks. The hit rates are trash and you don't have roster spots for them.
In 2015 Dallas drafted 5 player sin Round 7:
231 Ben Gardner DE Stanford
238 Will Smith LB Texas Tech
248 Ahmad Dixon DB Baylor
251 Ken Bishop DT Northern Illinois
254 Terrance Mitchell DB Oregon
don't do that stupid mess again.


Draft people are the worst. I say this as a draft guy. I am an old school pen and paper nerd as the draft on radio went down and marking dudes off my list
But these other nerds have now made draft nonsense more important than actual football.
It isn't.
These losers have mostly never played actual football.
TeamTank type guys that just wanna feel good and leech emotion and greatness off someone else's SB victory so they reduce the entire point of competition to nothingness.
The kind of people who quit Madden games when behind by 2 TDS at half-time.
Win or don't play losers.
Put together a full on Select team to play at your local rec.
I legit hate these people.

JC is right that most of these guys have very little value.
And because of that the best value for Dallas is finding out who has any heart and who can improve between now and season's end.
Trade off guys who you've written off sure but the rest is nonsense.

And no, you do not trade off Dak for 1 or 2.
It's a long shot and sucker's bet.
It's a broke dude going all in versus the house.
Buying a shiny object at it's peak of value with the hope you win the lottery.

 

[Sydla]

A few things here:
Super Bowl or bust people should be punched repeatedly in the face.
The entire meaning of sport is lost on these whiny, entitled people.
The Dallas Cowboys became America's Team with only 2 Super Bowl wins.
It was consistently playing high level football and doing it with class.
Make the playoffs every year, win games at high rates and repeat.

Many of these last year guys will result in comp picks.
Why would you go help some other team you will have to compete against next year??
For a bunch of pick sin a year where you ALREADY have a lot of picks?
What's the point exactly.
Just get picks in 2022 when you need them/have roster slots.

The dart to throw at board thing is just stupid. This is literally what the Cowboys did under Lacewell and others.
Stack up bad picks and hope you hit. Then you don't hit.
You KNOW you are cutting half the guys you draft in that scenario because you already have roster slots counted.
You don't trade off legit NFL players for that.
You don't make people move to go play for another city if you think you can re-sign them.

You absolutely look to trade guys you don't want/expect back IF You get a good deal but you don't trade guys you don't want back and you don't trade for a bunch of really low picks. The hit rates are trash and you don't have roster spots for them.
In 2015 Dallas drafted 5 player sin Round 7:
231 Ben Gardner DE Stanford
238 Will Smith LB Texas Tech
248 Ahmad Dixon DB Baylor
251 Ken Bishop DT Northern Illinois
254 Terrance Mitchell DB Oregon
don't do that stupid mess again.


Draft people are the worst. I say this as a draft guy. I am an old school pen and paper nerd as the draft on radio went down and marking dudes off my list
But these other nerds have now made draft nonsense more important than actual football.
It isn't.
These losers have mostly never played actual football.
TeamTank type guys that just wanna feel good and leech emotion and greatness off someone else's SB victory so they reduce the entire point of competition to nothingness.
The kind of people who quit Madden games when behind by 2 TDS at half-time.
Win or don't play losers.
Put together a full on Select team to play at your local rec.
I legit hate these people.

JC is right that most of these guys have very little value.
And because of that the best value for Dallas is finding out who has any heart and who can improve between now and season's end.
Trade off guys who you've written off sure but the rest is nonsense.

And no, you do not trade off Dak for 1 or 2.
It's a long shot and sucker's bet.
It's a broke dude going all in versus the house.
Buying a shiny object at it's peak of value with the hope you win the lottery.

Many of these last year guys will end up in comp picks? Like who? Aldon Smith would likely be one. But who else? If I can get something for them now, I'd rather just do that and not worry about the comp pick calculation later.

 

[Stash]

Good video on realistic trade options to get additional draft capital.

I love his plan. I would do exactly what he's talking about. Trade contract year players you cant keep anyway in a lost season.

 

[Uncle_Hank]

They don't have the cap space to be competitive next year. They can't even tag Dak without restructuring the same highly paid players whose contracts they desperately need to get out of. The only realistic option is to blow it up and rebuild. That's how bad the Jones boys screwed this one up. Again. And again, and again.

 

[conner01]

Many of these last year guys will end up in comp picks? Like who? Aldon Smith would likely be one. But who else? If I can get something for them now, I'd rather just do that and not worry about the comp pick calculation later.

Comp picks are great but even a round lower a year sooner is a smarter move

 

[jterrell]

The biggest problem this team has is they gave extensions to the wrong guys that they cant get out of until at least after next year.

Lawrence and Smith alone....their pay vs return are awful.

Cooper has been ok but is a luxury on this roster.

It doesnt need a full three year rebuild because they have the QB, and there are no doubt some building blocks here.

Fans tend to make terrible scouts or evaluators because we get announcer nonsense and social media dribble in our heads. .
DLaw is a top 10 DE. He has fought injury issues and anyone making 15+M will struggle to meet expectation but you drafted an R1 guy in Taco to take DLaw's job and he wasn't even close to being up to the task.
Amari Cooper is a legit top 10 WR. He is a massive reason Gallup and CeeDee look so good. They are single covered.
He is paid fairly but it is a lot. It'll look better as other WRs get deals.
Gallup and CeeDee will eventually earn more than Amari.
Dak maximizes those guys so I don't move any of them unless I move him.

Jaylon is a diff issue. He is a really good role player. He can be in some schemes/roles but is not an all pro type dude. The def staff has to allow him to make plays without constantly exposing him.
He'd really be helped by good safety play. And by being taken off the field some. His back ups always being hurt is a real issue that makes him worse. No way in hades he should play 100% of snaps every week like some elite gladiator.

RB are tough to handle. They fall apart very quickly but at their peak they carry teams. Just tough deal there but Zeke hasn't been worth his scratch for sure. Then again the OL fell apart and the back up hasn't been worth his draft status either.
Sometimes RB play is more about OL than their own work.
Pretty sure if Zeke was in CLE he'd killing it under Callahan's OL/run scheme.

All that said there is no reason this couldn't be a 12 month rebuild.
Go get a good 4-3 DC(Mike Zimmer/Marvin Lewis??). Use your heavy allotment of draft picks to find players who can help next year.
Use the rest of this year to develop back ups/depth for next year.
If you enter next year with:
WR: Amari
WR: CeeDee
LT: Tyron
LG: Connor
OC: Biadasz
RG: Martin
RT: Collins
TE: Jarwin/Schultz
QB: Dak
RB: Zeke
WR: Gallup
Swing OT: Knight
IOL back up: McGovern

NO ONE is feeling sorry for you.

Defense is A LOT more work but you can literally use any/all cap dollars and draft capital there.

LDE: DLaw
NT: Woods + signee/draftee
3T: THill/Gallimore/draftee
RDE: Gregory/FA/Draftee

SAM - Jaylon
Mike: LVE
Will: Draftee/FA

CB1: Chido/FA/Draftee
CB2: Diggs
CB3: Brown
CB4: Resigned Lewis/Draftee/Robinson

FS: XWoods
SS: Draftee/FA

DAL picks:
R1
R2
R3
R4
R4
R5
R6
R6

No time like the present to find out about these young guys.
Let some vets be inactive at times if need be.
Can Robinson play? Wilson ready to be a long term back up?
McGovern ready to push Connor Williams to start at LG next year?
Can Biadiaz gets everyone lined up and call line play?

 

[conner01]

I love his plan. I would do exactly what he's talking about. Trade contract year players you cant keep anyway in a lost season.

It’s all realistic
I would think Wilson too even though I like him
Even if most would bring late picks it’s ammo to move in the draft

 

[Aven8]

I read an article that we have been trying to trade Griff and haven’t found any takers yet

 

[MysteryIceGuro]

Fans tend to make terrible scouts or evaluators because we get announcer nonsense and social media dribble in our heads. .
DLaw is a top 10 DE. He has fought injury issues and anyone making 15+M will struggle to meet expectation but you drafted an R1 guy in Taco to take DLaw's job and he wasn't even close to being up to the task.
Amari Cooper is a legit top 10 WR. He is a massive reason Gallup and CeeDee look so good. They are single covered.
He is paid fairly but it is a lot. It'll look better as other WRs get deals.
Gallup and CeeDee will eventually earn more than Amari.
Dak maximizes those guys so I don't move any of them unless I move him.

Jaylon is a diff issue. He is a really good role player. He can be in some schemes/roles but is not an all pro type dude. The def staff has to allow him to make plays without constantly exposing him.
He'd really be helped by good safety play. And by being taken off the field some. His back ups always being hurt is a real issue that makes him worse. No way in hades he should play 100% of snaps every week like some elite gladiator.

RB are tough to handle. They fall apart very quickly but at their peak they carry teams. Just tough deal there but Zeke hasn't been worth his scratch for sure. Then again the OL fell apart and the back up hasn't been worth his draft status either.
Sometimes RB play is more about OL than their own work.
Pretty sure if Zeke was in CLE he'd killing it under Callahan's OL/run scheme.

All that said there is no reason this couldn't be a 12 month rebuild.
Go get a good 4-3 DC(Mike Zimmer/Marvin Lewis??). Use your heavy allotment of draft picks to find players who can help next year.
Use the rest of this year to develop back ups/depth for next year.
If you enter next year with:
WR: Amari
WR: CeeDee
LT: Tyron
LG: Connor
OC: Biadasz
RG: Martin
RT: Collins
TE: Jarwin/Schultz
QB: Dak
RB: Zeke
WR: Gallup
Swing OT: Knight
IOL back up: McGovern

NO ONE is feeling sorry for you.

Defense is A LOT more work but you can literally use any/all cap dollars and draft capital there.

LDE: DLaw
NT: Woods + signee/draftee
3T: THill/Gallimore/draftee
RDE: Gregory/FA/Draftee

SAM - Jaylon
Mike: LVE
Will: Draftee/FA

CB1: Chido/FA/Draftee
CB2: Diggs
CB3: Brown
CB4: Resigned Lewis/Draftee/Robinson

FS: XWoods
SS: Draftee/FA

DAL picks:
R1
R2
R3
R4
R4
R5
R6
R6

No time like the present to find out about these young guys.
Let some vets be inactive at times if need be.
Can Robinson play? Wilson ready to be a long term back up?
McGovern ready to push Connor Williams to start at LG next year?
Can Biadiaz gets everyone lined up and call line play?

exactly! Utilize the young guys and see what we got! I said this earlier, but this should be an audition/auction year at this point. Utilize people in different spots, bring up some people from the practice squad and our recently drafted rookies, and let’s see what we’re cooking with! Then, trade those who you think have value for picks from teams that think they can contend this year, then come off-season, cut dead weight, loosen some of the cap, and draft nothing but defense and maybe an OL player.

 

[jterrell]

They don't have the cap space to be competitive next year. They can't even tag Dak without restructuring the same highly paid players whose contracts they desperately need to get out of. The only realistic option is to blow it up and rebuild. That's how bad the Jones boys screwed this one up. Again. And again, and again.

This is entirely untrue.
You are either a troll back from a banned account or just clueless.

Dallas is currently in good cap position.
They have 23M this year free to roll over and the are UNDER next year's reduced (the very worst it could be) cap by a few million BEFORE roll over.

DAL can easily restructure guys because they had not done so til this year.
It is easy for them to free up 40-50M if they desire.

You are confusing them with the Saints or Eagles. Teams 70M over the estimated low cap.

DAL has never been a FA team and won't start now but isn't because of cap concerns as much vets you sign to big money tend to suck at unfortunately high rates.

 

[Mr_437]

Jeff's right it's time sell off as many of these defensive players you can, and get draft picks. In addition, go find someone who can scout defensive players because that guy is not in the building.

 

[Uncle_Hank]

This is entirely untrue.
You are either a troll back from a banned account or just clueless.

Dallas is currently in good cap position.
They have 23M this year free to roll over and the are UNDER next year's reduced (the very worst it could be) cap by a few million BEFORE roll over.

DAL can easily restructure guys because they had not done so til this year.
It is easy for them to free up 40-50M if they desire.

You are confusing them with the Saints or Eagles. Teams 70M over the estimated low cap.

DAL has never been a FA team and won't start now but isn't because of cap concerns as much vets you sign to big money tend to suck at unfortunately high rates.

I literally just posted a thread about this. Not only are you being rude and arrogant for no reason, you don't even have your basic facts right. Stop wasting people's time with this nonsense.

 

[Gaede]

Jeff's right it's time sell off as many of these defensive players you can, and get draft picks. In addition, go find someone who can scout defensive players because that guy is not in the building.

I am definitely down with getting something for Chido or Lewis. Put Robinson in, who cares.