I am off the Will McClay bandwagon

[Cmac]

That's what happens when JJ is in his ear, instead of him in JJ's ear.

 

[Trajan]

Look, doesn't matter what inputs and grades McClay gives to a player if the drafting philosophy of the GM / Owner isn't set.

Jerry, IMO, is a very 2 dimensional thinker. He seems to want to rebuild the 90's Cowboys, that is all he kinda knows. He reaches to produce a big offensive line, and the triplets, why else pay Zeke crazy money ? He keeps looking for a new Novack, La Fluer, Witten, etc. He keeps looking for the next Emmitt, he wants another Irvin, mainly through FA, Joey Galloway, Roy Williams, Amari.

It isn't going to happen. We need some stability and a coach who can build a team out. Garrett couldn't do it. No idea if McCarthy can.

But who even knows how good out drafts are when the the GM is so bad, and the coaching sucks ?!!?!?!

 

[CWR]

Yes, hes lost his luster. Looks average now.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Summary:
The results have not been perfect, but somehow Will McClay and Stephen Jones have kept crazy Jerry input on the draft to a minimum in the time since McClay was promoted to the top talent evaluator.

Unfortunately, in place of excessive Jerry input, they allowed to much crazy Marinelli input.

Bingo.

I still have both feel on his bandwagon. Haven't the Cowboy selected more pro bowl players the last 10 years than any other team? I think so.

 

[CWR]

Look, doesn't matter what inputs and grades McClay gives to a player if the drafting philosophy of the GM / Owner isn't set.

Jerry, IMO, is a very 2 dimensional thinker. He seems to want to rebuild the 90's Cowboys, that is all he kinda knows. He reaches to produce a big offensive line, and the triplets, why else pay Zeke crazy money ? He keeps looking for a new Novack, La Fluer, Witten, etc. He keeps looking for the next Emmitt, he wants another Irvin, mainly through FA, Joey Galloway, Roy Williams, Amari.

It isn't going to happen. We need some stability and a coach who can build a team out. Garrett couldn't do it. No idea if McCarthy can.

But who even knows how good out drafts are when the the GM is so bad, and the coaching sucks ?!!?!?!

JG vision for building his offense was his strong suit.

Perhaps if he was equally adept on the defensive side of the ball he'd still be here.

 

[Mr_437]

After hearing about the David Irving friction between scouts and Stephen I really think these guys (McClay) may be limited in what they (scouts) can do.

Remember they said Jerry had final say on the CeeDee Lamb pick, scary stuff.

^ 2 situations Joneses had final say, so everything falls on them.

Joneses don't care for DTs or Ss and those positions have been weak. Joneses don't like drafting players with attitudes, which, are usually good defensive players b/c Jerry is scared reference Jay Ratliff.

 

[Runwildboys]

The draft record still looks pretty good to me. Free agents not so much, but some of that could be on having a limited free agent budget to work with.

How much does he have to do with FAs anyway?

 

[Manster_Mash]

Keep in mind that our players were drafted to fit into Marinelli and Richard’s system of defense. They won’t be a good fit in different systems being run. Nolan’s defense is very different than Marinelli’s especially the responsibilities along the DL. Not defending McClay but he was looking for guys with specific skill sets that he would never consider for Nolan.

They weren't any good in marinelli's scheme either.

 

[Pantone282C]

you hang around the Jones for a while you end up one of them

 

[reddyuta]

I place no blame on him.This is all on Stephen Jones and his greedy penny pinching ways, Mcclay has severe restrictions on the type of FAs he can bring in,essentially we are getting Guys which no team wants or cares for.

 

[Pantone282C]

I firmly believe we, as fans, know very little when it comes to the details.
We just make assumptions and ride, or die with them.
We are what we are.

The mindless horde...

 

[OmerV]

How much does he have to do with FAs anyway?

I wondered that too.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Remember they said Jerry had final say on the CeeDee Lamb pick, scary stuff.

Way to much emphasis on that. He has the final say, but it's really giving his blessings to the decision that has already been made.

 

[ItzKelz]

I guess we can say the bloom is off the rose with him. Once viewed as a genius but wow the recent record is bad. FAs and draft. I am too lazy to post them so take a look at the recent player moves. It’s bad. I am off the McClay bandwagon.

Thoughts?

Players in the NFL get old quick. It's not McClay's fault that Jerry decided to pay the wrong players and hire the wrong coaches.

 

[Rockport]

I guess we can say the bloom is off the rose with him. Once viewed as a genius but wow the recent record is bad. FAs and draft. I am too lazy to post them so take a look at the recent player moves. It’s bad. I am off the McClay bandwagon.

Thoughts?

Of course you are. McClay is one of the best in the entire NFL in finding players but he’s not an owner who creates the culture of the organization. Very naive thread you created.

 

[Mr_437]

Way to much emphasis on that. He has the final say, but it's really giving his blessings to the decision that has already been made.

Exactly, he needs to let a GM make that decision while he does Owner stuff.

 

[Runwildboys]

Way to much emphasis on that. He has the final say, but it's really giving his blessings to the decision that has already been made.

I'm not sure I'd even go that far. I think it's more like "as long as he doesn't openly object".

 

[Bobhaze]

I guess we can say the bloom is off the rose with him. Once viewed as a genius but wow the recent record is bad. FAs and draft. I am too lazy to post them so take a look at the recent player moves. It’s bad. I am off the McClay bandwagon.

Thoughts?

I think it’s fair to criticize McClay at this point for sure. But I would also say it’s fair to remember that McClay does not select a single player. He provides Jerry with extensive research and recommendations but he doesn’t draft.

I like to use a pool game analogy. McClay takes the pool balls and “racks them up” for Jerry, then hands him the pool cue.

Maybe McClay’s scouting has dropped off, but he never makes a single decision regarding players- draft choices or free agents. His role is to provide choices in the draft and free agency so Jerry can play big shot and make the actual “war room” decisions in the moment.

Who’s more responsible? The guy at the top.

 

[Whyjerry]

I think it’s fair to criticize McClay at this point for sure. But I would also say it’s fair to remember that McClay does not select a single player. He provides Jerry with extensive research and recommendations but he doesn’t draft.

I like to use a pool game analogy. McClay takes the pool balls and “racks them up” for Jerry, then hands him the pool cue.

Maybe McClay’s scouting has dropped off, but he never makes a single decision regarding players- draft choices or free agents. His role is to provide choices in the draft and free agency so Jerry can play big shot and make the actual “war room” decisions in the moment.

Who’s more responsible? The guy at the top.

I agree but too many players come into Dallas and don’t perform. I understand it’s the culture but at some level the players are responsible.

 

[Whyjerry]

Of course you are. McClay is one of the best in the entire NFL in finding players but he’s not an owner who creates the culture of the organization. Very naive thread you created.

Listen cupcake I talk about the culture all the time. What’s naive is someone who is an unabashed shill for this franchise.