What if the Cowboys had waited? And another what if

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No, I wasn’t. That’s dawning slowly on everybody, too.
When Garrett finds success elsewhere I will be willing to reevaluate if you were right about Garrett. Until then, claiming victory is premature.

As for Zeke, a lot of posters were right about that.
 

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Actually, what you continue to fail to grasp is that the issue in Dallas hadn’t been at HC. We’re now seeing what happens when you pair an issue with the HC with the problems we already had in Dallas. Things get a lot worse, quickly.

Garrett did have plenty of time, and he wasn’t able to get us over the top, I agree. That’s because the actual problems keeping us from getting over the top weren’t related to coaching and were ultimately out of his control.

Which should be obvious to everybody at this point whose followed this team since Jimmy left. The McCarthy Era is just highlighting for us how much worse things can get when your problems start to compound on each other.

What should be "obvious to everyone" is that JJ isn't going anywhere.

So you either get a coach capable of overcoming that or keep trying.

We were stagnant with JG, and yes I saw enough of him to know he was mediocre.

You pretending Garrett was some type of HOF is silly. We can and will do better.
 

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Garrett cost us multiple games each season with his poor clock management alone, 9 out of his 10 years. We had other issues, yes, but Garrett simply couldn't make adjustments, and seemingly knew nothing about our opponents going into the games. Best I can say for him is that the team never quit on him most of the time, but the dude was a fraud as a HC.

He was good at establishing a vision for the team and acquiring the talent to satisfy his vision. He rarely gave us any strategic advantage and his game day management made me want to puke.
 

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what if Dallas takes Fsu RB Dalvin Cook instead of Taco...stephen said Cook was the last player on their board with a 1st Rd grade.
maybe that hold-out never happens.

The year after Zeke's HOF looking rookie season, draft another RB, and in the 1st round?

No. Just no.

Should have just done more in the offseason of 2019 to give us a legit 1-2 punch with Pollard + Someone.

Then see about trading Zeke. Given him and his agent permission to shop him. If some other team wants to pay Zeke *and* us, then let them. Win-win.

Barring that, turn the screws hard. Claw back bonus on each game he misses, if it gets to that. If he ever wanted to play again, he had to give us another half season to get his accrued season to leave for free agency, even if that means sitting his 5th year, which would mean *more* clawbacks.

By 2019, it was clear that Zeke was not Emmitt. Getting rolled by a holdout was just bad business. Got AWoods thinking he could squeeze a contract out of Jerry as an ERFA.
 

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Garrett cost us multiple games each season with his poor clock management alone.

No he didn’t. But he did get second-guessed anytime a 50/50 call went wrong over the ten years he was here. And of course, not credited at all when they went right. Typical.

We’re seeing now what mediocre coaching actually looks like. Hope you’re enjoying it. Personally, I feel like it’s been riveting.
 

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What if Jerry had the courage to stonewall Zeke in his holdout in the summer of 2019? (Like the Steelers wisely did with LaVeon Bell) What if Zeke would have been told they weren’t going to negotiate with him two years early? What if indeed...

In the summer of 2016, the Dallas Cowboys signed Ezekiel Elliott, the 4th pick of the 2016 NFL draft, to a 4 year contract with a 5th year extension option. After 3 very productive seasons (one partially interrupted by a suspension) the Cowboys announced in April 2019 that they would be exercising Zeke’s 5th year option. In fact they announced it before he started his 4th year.

Later in the summer of 2019, Zeke famously headed to Cabo to try and twist Jerry’s arm early in a training camp holdout. Not going into his last year of a contract. After three years. We all know Jerry caved like a cheap suit and made Zeke the highest paid RB in league history.

Fast forward to now. If Jerry hadn’t caved, and we had stayed the course, Zeke’s rookie deal 5th year would be expiring in a few months. Or he could have turned into LaVeon Bell and left. And It’s safe to say had we waited, these things might have happened:
  • Zeke would either be receiving a significantly different contract for his future from Dallas, or perhaps even from somewhere besides Dallas.
  • Without the albatross of the Zeke deal, our roster flexibility would be much rosier.
Sure, hindsight is 20/20. But paying RBs a king’s ransom in today’s NFL is just foolish. We should have known that before 2019. It’s why the only two other teams that made the same mistake by signing big RB deals with LaVeon Bell (the jets) and Todd Gurley (Rams) both got out of those fat contracts early and cut their losses.

And since Zeke signed his big deal, his performance has fallen off the table. Starting last year when we still had T-Fred and the rest or our once great line. Want evidence?
  • Since 2019, Zeke is tied for 25th in the league with just five 20-yard runs in 25 games.
  • Compare that to Nick Chubb and Derrick Henry, who both have eighteen 20 yard runs during that same 25 game stretch.
  • Since 2018, he has dropped from 4.7 ypc to 4.5 in 2019 to 3.7 this year.
So here’s the real question Dallas radio sports man Bob Sturm recently posed:
“If Zeke is no longer breaking big plays — and there are very few cases of players actually getting more explosive with age and wear and tear — should the Cowboys seriously consider turning down his March 2021 activator and playing with $24 million in dead money (split into two seasons) to get out of another doubling-down of his contract in 2022?”

Count me in on that plan. Maybe we could learn from our mistake and move on as the jets and Rams did.

It was a bad deal because he didn't live up to expectations. I didn't expect him to be Emmitt or Adrian Peterson, but I'm surprised he tapped out so quick. He was a flash in the pan.

I'd be surprised if they released him like you say. But at this point it wouldn't bother me either.
 

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I know I didn’t. Never pick a RB 4. Plain stupid.
Me either but I was on the DC.com board and we were pretty split on Zeke or Ramsey then Henry in the 2nd. Pre draft there were also Bosa fans but that turned out to be moot. We still have debates on Zeke, Ramsey and Henry on this board though.
 
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Actually, what you continue to fail to grasp is that the issue in Dallas hadn’t been at HC. We’re now seeing what happens when you pair an issue with the HC with the problems we already had in Dallas. Things get a lot worse, quickly.

Garrett did have plenty of time, and he wasn’t able to get us over the top, I agree. That’s because the actual problems keeping us from getting over the top weren’t related to coaching and were ultimately out of his control.

Which should be obvious to everybody at this point whose followed this team since Jimmy left. The McCarthy Era is just highlighting for us how much worse things can get when your problems start to compound on each other.
Lol. Still defending the guy with the worst offense in the league playing for a top 3 pick. Makes sense. And before you say we are also playing for a top 3 pick. Compare the injuries. I don’t think any team minus San Francisco has had the level of impact players lost to injury this season. Oh and On top of that. Let’s say Garrett is better than McCarthy in a season like no other. You know. That pesky pandemic. You sir don’t want to and never will admit you were wrong.

Garrett was also the head coach of the team that drafted taco over watt. his buddy rod made that call.
 

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What you are failing to grasp is just because MM doesn't appear to be a good hire does NOT mean Garrett wasn't a good fire. (Not re-signed)

He had more than enough time and couldn't get us over the top plain and simple. That has zero to do with MM.
100% correct, no correlation between the two. Also, I willing to give MM more than half a season (a strange one at that) before I declare him as terrible.
 
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I still have faith in Zeke, but it's fading fast. Lack of big plays is certainly a red flag.

Also, even though it sucks for us fans, I think it's amazing Zeke had the foresight to get paid before wearing down. Usually it's the reverse.
 

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Great as always Bob.

I was as big a fan of Zeke as anyone until his holdout, I thought Jerry should have let him sit. Even after he signed I forgot about it, thinking about how much he meant to the team.

But even his strengths of blitz pick up and pass receiving seemed to have left him. To me, he's lost concentration. And I always thought he played hard. I know it's hard to get yards when you're met in the backfield on most of your carries, but he's definitely not the same guy.

I'm now for letting him walk and eat the money. No one is going to trade anything for him in my opinion.
 

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Bullet we're to old for what ifs. Shoot, what if I made $500k a year. I'd probably be stupid enough to own a suite in AT&T Stadium. How'd pissed I'd be then?
I keep telling myself I’m smarter in my old age. I don’t know if that’s true or not, lol.
 

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No he didn’t. But he did get second-guessed anytime a 50/50 call went wrong over the ten years he was here. And of course, not credited at all when they went right. Typical.

We’re seeing now what mediocre coaching actually looks like. Hope you’re enjoying it. Personally, I feel like it’s been riveting.
Fascinating, I thought all the Garrett apologists had moved on.
 

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No he didn’t. But he did get second-guessed anytime a 50/50 call went wrong over the ten years he was here. And of course, not credited at all when they went right. Typical.

We’re seeing now what mediocre coaching actually looks like. Hope you’re enjoying it. Personally, I feel like it’s been riveting.

Right, I see what you’re doing here...

Let me know when Garrett ever dealt with all of the following in one season:
  1. Play football in pandemic
  2. Have a season with no training camp
  3. Have expected contributors opt out on playing for a season (Olawale, Canady, etc.)
  4. Lose his starting QB (then lose the backup for multiple games)
  5. Lose a starting o-lineman in his prime (age) to retirement (Frederick)
  6. Lose his starting starting LT for the year (then lose the primary swing tackle in B. Knight)
  7. Never have his starting RT play a single snap (L. Collins)
  8. Never have their top free agent acquisition play a snap (G. McCoy)
  9. Lose another starting DT for the season (T. Hill)
  10. Lose a starting CB for significant time (Awuzie)
  11. Lose another starting CB for the year (Diggs)
  12. Lose a starting LB for a significant portion of the season (LVE)
  13. Lose their starting TE for the season (Jarwin)
You already know all this and I’m sure I’ve missed some other things that could have been listed, but you’ve ignored all that to take the opportunity to heehaw about what “mediocre coaching actually looks like” under McCarthy.

Talk about an egregious omission of context.

McCarthy may certainly not be the answer but to try and evaluate him under the circumstances he’s been saddled with this season is lame as hell.
 
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