Zeke cannot do what Pollard does

[CATCH17]

So. Dont pay anyone on offense? Alright then. Im happy you arent building a team. This isnt madden. No matter how bad you want to pretend you know what you're talking about. You dont.

Yeah you like the country club style I know. A lot of you do.

This isn’t madden is such a dumb comment. We run our team like it’s madden / fantasy football.

 

[kskboys]

Yeah you like the country club style I know. A lot of you do.

I agree that Zeke is overpaid. However, we do need what he does, which is pound away at the opposing DLine. Using some lightly built scatback as a primary ball carrier generally leads to failed drives.

 

[CATCH17]

I agree that Zeke is overpaid. However, we do need what he does, which is pound away at the opposing DLine. Using some lightly built scatback as a primary ball carrier generally leads to failed drives.

You can find what Zeke is currently doing for much cheaper.


Pounding Zeke away has done squat for this team. I don’t understand why some of you think what he does is so valuable when you continue to have nothing to show for it.

2016 Zeke? Now that’s something I can get on board with.. Explosive plays while consistently moving the chains?

This Zeke? Only a sucker would pay him and he found them.

 

[G2]

So. Dont pay anyone on offense? Alright then. Im happy you arent building a team. This isnt madden. No matter how bad you want to pretend you know what you're talking about. You dont.

Lol @ "secret sauce."
He went from one extreme (putting everything into offensive players) to another. It a good ting some fans here aren't in charge of finances.

 

[phildadon86]

Yeah you like the country club style I know. A lot of you do.

This isn’t madden is such a dumb comment. We run our team like it’s madden / fantasy football.

No. We pay homegrown talent. You're still bitter about Dez and Byron Jones? Diggs has as many picks in his first season as Jones had his whole career here. And before you tell me picks dont matter. I already know that. I am just telling you those are the facts. Cooper's deal isnt even that bad. We have an out in 2 years. Right around when Lamb comes up for renewal. Zeke was overpaid. Period. But at that time. Garrett ran this team like it was the 90s. Run the ball up the middle 30 times a game and see what happens. So. Jerry caved. You want to draft and draft. Eventually you have to pay the people you draft. lol.

 

[G2]

You can find what Zeke is currently doing for much cheaper.


Pounding Zeke away has done squat for this team. I don’t understand why some of you think what he does is so valuable when you continue to have nothing to show for it.

2016 Zeke? Now that’s something I can get on board with.. Explosive plays while consistently moving the chains?

This Zeke? Only a sucker would pay him and he found them.

Cool story, can we have our 1016 O line too?

 

[CATCH17]

No. We pay homegrown talent. You're still bitter about Dez and Byron Jones? Diggs has as many picks in his first season as Jones had his whole career here. And before you tell me picks dont matter. I already know that. I am just telling you those are the facts. Cooper's deal isnt even that bad. We have an out in 2 years. Right around when Lamb comes up for renewal. Zeke was overpaid. Period. But at that time. Garrett ran this team like it was the 90s. Run the ball up the middle 30 times a game and see what happens. So. Jerry caved. You want to draft and draft. Eventually you have to pay the people you draft. lol.

That’s the problem.. “Diggs has as many picks as Byron Jones.”

That’s what I’m arguing with and it’s really a waste of my time.

 

[CATCH17]

Cool story, can we have our 1016 O line too?

Pollard doesn’t need it to be explosive.

You would think as many attempts as Zeke gets he would accidentally make a explosive play every now and then.

 

[phildadon86]

Pollard doesn’t need it to be explosive.

Pollard cannot carry the ball 20-30 times a game. I dont know what you need to hear or see to know this. Tell me how pollard looks thru Q1 to the middle of Q3.

 

[phildadon86]

That’s the problem.. “Diggs has as many picks as Byron Jones.”

That’s what I’m arguing with and it’s really a waste of my time.

Its not a waste of time. You just dont have an argument. Diggs is a rookie and has already shown better ball skills than Jones and was a WR for the beginning of his career. Byron was NOT worth what he got paid for what he did. You're talking about drafting. You think Byron is better than Farley or Surtain II? No hes not. So we do your favorite thing and draft his replacement. Or does that premise only work for you when pushing your agenda of players you dont like?

 

[G2]

Pollard doesn’t need it to be explosive.

You don't understand the significance in Elliott and Pollard. You are simply assuming that each RB can be plugged into an offense, take all the carries and produce at a high level. You think Pollard would be the wiser choice because he's still on a rookie contract.

You're just plain wrong man. Pollard would need to be every bit the RB Elliott is. He's not, he's not the same type of RB and that's why we have BOTH. It's actually a good thing, but some fans try to get themselves wrapped up in contract amounts like they understand how it would work.

 

[quickccc]

There isn't any doubt but what Zeke lacks the same level of "shake and bake" quickness that he had as a rookie. That isn't to say that the straight-ahead power isn't still there, though. The quickness and speed will deteriorate in time, while the power remains intact. That's Zeke in a nutshell, imho.

Any RB who has withstood the punishment that goes with the number of carries that Zeke has had will be prone to this gradual deterioration that I've just described. There's no doubt that the quality of run blocking isn't what it once was years back and that's a viable factor, also.

Zeke has never been a true shake and bake shifty, elusive back.
Besides the once high hurdle act - which he no longer seems to have the agility to do that - he's not/never been one for out-juking and making defenders miss in the open field.
He's not Barkley or McCaffrey. or Kamara in that area.
But he's gonna make that one cut in and out of a hole ,and then accelerate downhill.
Back in his 2016-17 days, he'd accelerate to the 2nd level. Nowadays there's no more than the 15 yard run at the least.

- I often compare ZKE's style of running to Adrian Peterson because both are one cut runners, that are not overly elusive but early in their prime both were instant breakaway runners
in-out of the hole, off tackle, up the middle.
Sure they'd give you the hard angry runs too, but they were the types that kept a defense on nervous eggshells on every given play because
they could break it big on any given play.

- Neither were not creative pass catchers either. You're not gonna win a lot of isolation
But give zeke a quick screen and you'd see him sprint up field for that once patented homerun catch and run TD. Send Zeke on a wheel route upfield or a misdirection flair-swing pass
and you could see a 20-30 yd splash catch.

As John Madden used to say- it's 2 things defenses absolutely fear.
1) Speed
2) A running QB

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

this I can be on board with

Go ahead and say your piece star. Maybe if we keep the money out of as per OP.....we can have a great discussion.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

People scream for Pollard because he’s a much better value at this point in their careers.

Until Pollard gets blasted carrying the load.

Our #2 ALWAYS look capable...and in fact obscene, until they step up to 1. Then they are toast..and not such a great "value" anymore.

 

[phildadon86]

You don't understand the significance in Elliott and Pollard. You are simply assuming that each RB can be plugged into an offense, take all the carries and produce at a high level. You think Pollard would be the wiser choice because he's still on a rookie contract.

You're just plain wrong man. Pollard would need to be every bit the RB Elliott is. He's not, he's not the same type of RB and that's why we have BOTH. It's actually a good thing, but some fans try to get themselves wrapped up in contract amounts like they understand how it would work.

I would love to see Pollard run every down in the 1st and 2nd quarter. Then maybe people who pretend they know what they are talking about would realize Pollard is benefitting from Zeke wearing the other other team down. Theres a reason you see more pollard in at the end of the game when the opposing defense is tired. But but but "the cap" its starting to feel like unless we pay a player this guy likes. He will complain.

 

[phildadon86]

Until Pollard gets blasted carrying the load.

Our #2 ALWAYS look capable...and in fact obscene, until they step up to 1. Then they are toast.

Exactly. Nail on the darn head right here sir.

 

[Ranched]

Cowboys tandem is an underrated pick in sorts, because Pollard isn’t talked about too much & is underrated.

Elliott is simply been one of the most productive overall rb's. Definitely a future hall of fame if he can stay healthy.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Until Pollard gets blasted carrying the load.

Our #2 ALWAYS look capable...and in fact obscene, until they step up to 1. Then they are toast..and not such a great "value" anymore.

Some people don't understand, or won't understand, that teams do "key" on other players because that player can do lots of damage if you let them "run wild".
That goes back way before Zeke of course, just watch the 30 minute show on Dallas' first SB win. Landry had a defensive back follow Paul Warfield everywhere he went, with help over the top, Warfield was their biggest weapon, so Landry mostly neutralized Warfield. That played a big part in keeping Miami out of the end zone all game. Teams first aim to control Zeke, everything else takes a back seat somewhat.

For those who want Pollard to be the main back, just remember Marion Barber, very effective backup back, but what happened when he finally, to the great joy of those who wanted it, became the starter? His last year before being the starter, 4.8 ypc. First year as a starter? 3.7 ypc.

Every backup running back that does well in limited appearances isn't guaranteed to do well when he's the "bell cow" running back. Some are of course, but Pollard is effective now, I'd rather he stay that way....

 

[G2]

I would love to see Pollard run every down in the 1st and 2nd quarter. Then maybe people who pretend they know what they are talking about would realize Pollard is benefitting from Zeke wearing the other other team down. Theres a reason you see more pollard in at the end of the game when the opposing defense is tired. But but but "the cap" its starting to feel like unless we pay a player this guy likes. He will complain.

You know what would happen. Pollard wouldn't be able to run the occasional play against a defense defending the spread offense. The defense would start stacking the box more and he wouldn't get anywhere. We've seen him get stifled in traffic. He's not dragging anyone. And Pollard doesn't have the body type to play every down.

 

[G2]

Cowboys tandem is an underrated pick in sorts, because Pollard isn’t talked about too much & is underrated.

Elliott is simply been one of the most productive overall rb's. Definitely a future hall of fame if he can stay healthy.

We're lucky to have both.