Andy Dalton Appreciation Thread

[dsturgeon]

And you think we are getting off to fast starts with Dalton?

It was a really good half until the bad call to go for it on 4th on our side of the field. Both the defense and offense were looking good, and we were going into half time with the lead and the ball coming out of the half.

That call and the 2 injuries killed momentum

That was 2 games in a row we started off good.

 

[Aviano90]

It was a really good half until the bad call to go for it on 4th on our side of the field. Both the defense and offense were looking good, and we were going into half time with the lead and the ball coming out of the half.

That was 2 games in a row we started off good.

Perceptions are a hell of a thing.

 

[dsturgeon]

Perceptions are a hell of a thing.

what is your perception?

 

[Aviano90]

what is your perception?

Well, when we are talking about first half scoring and you think Dalton can do it and Dak couldn’t, It’s definitely not that. Need me to list the first half scoring totals per game or can you look at those yourself and figure it out?

I guess a defense being able to get some stops and keep the games close makes a huge difference.

 

[dsturgeon]

Well, when we are talking about first half scoring and you think Dalton can do it and Dak couldn’t, It’s definitely not that. Need me to list the first half scoring totals per game or can you look at those yourself and figure it out?

I guess a defense being able to get some stops and keep the games close makes a huge difference.

When I made the comparison, i was half joking. Mostly because dalton only has 3 games played.

But yes, going back to last year Dak gets off to bad starts, and then has really stong 3rd and 4th quarters. Go back to last season, and that will show, because i complained about it all season.

This season there were multiple games where we came back 15 or 20 + points in the 3rd and 4th with dak. I think they broke a record for the largest deficit comeback

I like dak, I wish he was out there. But that is a legimate critique, not a compliant, just how it is. Go through the 17 games last year and the ones this year, and you will see it. Not every game, but a whole bunch of them

 

[Aviano90]

When I made the comparison, i was half joking. Mostly because dalton only has 3 games played.

But yes, going back to last year Dak gets off to bad starts, and then has really stong 3rd and 4th quarters. Go back to last season, and that will show, because i complained about it all season.

This season there were multiple games where we came back 15 or 20 + points in the 3rd and 4th with dak. I think they broke a record for the largest deficit comeback

I like dak, I wish he was out there. But that is a legimate critique, not a compliant, just how it is. Go through the 17 games last year and the ones this year, and you will see it. Not every game, but a whole bunch of them

I saw the “ha ha” and that is why I questioned it. I just don’t get how it is a critique for Dak but a half joking compliment for Dalton. I mean we have scored 3, 3, 16 and 13 in the first half in Dalton’s starts. This year we have scored 14, 10, 15, 14 and 17 points with Dak in the first half of the games he started.

Won’t go into all the box scores for 2019 but we averaged 4.2 points in the 1st quarter last year and 8.2 in the 2nd quarter. That would average 12.4 in the first half. Dalton is averaging 8.75 points in the first half this year.

 

[Swagger]

Did Dalton play bad?

He got 42 yards from the running backs, and the tackles got injured.

He had more yards than smith.

Pretty much had a lead going into half, until bad coaching calls, and so on started to happen. Zeke killed another drive and momentum with a fumble. Lamb dropped a TD pass. Some dropped passes, more bad coaching, execution

Nice TD to cooper
should have had another to lamb
2 nice scrambles for first downs

Not saying he played like a superstar, but it wasnt bad

I agree. There aren't any negative threads about Dalton because overall...he played well.

He outplayed Smith yet Washington scored over 40 points. That's the issue.

The pick 6 when the game was out of sight is irrelevant. Washington brought the house and the back up to the back up o line caved in like a pack of cards. If that had happened in the first half then chances are Dalton just takes the sack. But as the team were in a hopeless situation he took the risk of following through with yet another horrific play call.

We wouldn't have won with Prescott yesterday...did people not actually see the game!? The coaches gave the opposition 14 points on a plate, Zeke fumbled again in his own half and Lamb failed to catch an easy TD.

Dalton even extended drives by running for third downs.

Where Dalton was disappointing was that he didn't audible and change enough of the horrific play calls (E.g . dumping off screens which didn't work and he should have thrown more deep balls). Also, I couldn't believe he didn't get the snap off before their defender was running off for either a 5 yards penalty or a free deep shot. So disappointed with that. You would expect all of that to be meat and drink to a vet guy like Dalton. But I guess that lack of swagger and backbone is why he hasn't been more successful in the nfl.

Overall Dalton played well enough for a rookie or Vet QB on a cheap deal to have won. That's why there aren't a load of negative threads about his performance in a game where he actually played well.

 

[dsturgeon]

I saw the “ha ha” and that is why I questioned it. I just don’t get how it is a critique for Dak but a half joking compliment for Dalton. I mean we have scored 3, 3, 16 and 13 in the first half in Dalton’s starts. This year we have scored 14, 10, 15, 14 and 17 points with Dak in the first half of the games he started.

Won’t go into all the box scores for 2019 but we averaged 4.2 points in the 1st quarter last year and 8.2 in the 2nd quarter. That would average 12.4 in the first half. Dalton is averaging 8.75 points in the first half this year.

Dalton has only started 3 games. So, one of those 3's is daks. And the 3 that is daltons zeke killed 2 drives that half with fumbles.

So, in 2019 that is basically a field goal in the first quarter and a touchdown in the 2nd. That is slow. And I am guessing since it is averages, there are a bunch of games where they scored nothing in the first and 2nd, and that is why it is in my head.

It is a critique for dak because i complained about slow starts a bunch last year, wishing we could start off faster.

It is a joke about Dalton because 3 starts is not much to go by, so it is not a good comparison. And it is a compliment for Dalton. I like going into the half with a lead or it being close. That is 2 games in a row he has had a good first half.

 

[dsturgeon]

I agree. There aren't any negative threads about Dalton because overall...he played well.

He outplayed Smith yet Washington scored over 40 points. That's the issue.

The pick 6 when the game was out of sight is irrelevant. Washington brought the house and the back up to the back up o line caved in like a pack of cards. If that had happened in the first half then chances are Dalton just takes the sack. But as the team were in a hopeless situation he took the risk of following through with yet another horrific play call.

We wouldn't have won with Prescott yesterday...did people not actually see the game!? The coaches gave the opposition 14 points on a plate, Zeke fumbled again in his own half and Lamb failed to catch an easy TD.

Dalton even extended drives by running for third downs.

Where Dalton was disappointing was that he didn't audible and change enough of the horrific play calls (E.g . dumping off screens which didn't work and he should have thrown more deep balls). Also, I couldn't believe he didn't get the snap off before their defender was running off for either a 5 yards penalty or a free deep shot. So disappointed with that. You would expect all of that to be meat and drink to a vet guy like Dalton. But I guess that lack of swagger and backbone is why he hasn't been more successful in the nfl.

Overall Dalton played well enough for a rookie or Vet QB on a cheap deal to have won. That's why there aren't a load of negative threads about his performance in a game where he actually played well.

How do you throw deep balls when you have two bad tackles in against maybe the best dline in football.

They had no run game, so he couldnt play action the deep balls

Dalton has stuff to complain about, but he has shown that he throws nice deep balls, slants, and others.


I think he has been very successful in the nfl.

I don't get peoples overall outlook.

You get qb's like breeze, who has amazing stats, and he has only been successful one season, and other than that, not much in the playoffs
Rodgers, has one superbowl, but other than that, not much success in the playoffs
Wilson, has one superbowl, other than that not much in the playoffs
and so on

THen you have a ton of qb's who have bad stats and failures in the playoffs or no playoffs

Dalton has good stats, and failures in the playoffs. In no way is he an average qb. He is not top tier, but he is not average

 

[TwoDeep3]

Dalton has only started 3 games. So, one of those 3's is daks. And the 3 that is daltons zeke killed 2 drives that half with fumbles.

So, in 2019 that is basically a field goal in the first quarter and a touchdown in the 2nd. That is slow. And I am guessing since it is averages, there are a bunch of games where they scored nothing in the first and 2nd, and that is why it is in my head.

It is a critique for dak because i complained about slow starts a bunch last year, wishing we could start off faster.

It is a joke about Dalton because 3 starts is not much to go by, so it is not a good comparison. And it is a compliment for Dalton. I like going into the half with a lead or it being close. That is 2 games in a row he has had a good first half.

The hue and cry was Dalton will show the world how lame Dak is. Yet I saw passes today which were head scratchers.

His decision making in crisis is pitiful. His technique suffers a great deal when pressure is brought to bare. Not the ones when someone is about to rip his spleen out. But in the general high traffic pocket he can throw something that looks more like a bird falling to earth after being blasted with a shotgun.

And that isn't even considering the decisions he makes.

The two games in a row comment doesn't quite avail the fact he was playing two really awful teams to make these quick starts you speak of.

Andy Dalton is the guy who looks like the best back-up in the NFL, until your starter nearly rips a foot off on a run and you have to ask Dalton to step behind the worst line in the NFL.

I don't expect a miracle worker. But I do expect a ten year vet and starter at that to comport himself in a way that inspires a little confidence. There were times his eyes showed he wished he was back in the concussion protocol instead of behind the broken picket fence of Dallas.

 

[dsturgeon]

The hue and cry was Dalton will show the world how lame Dak is. Yet I saw passes today which were head scratchers.

His decision making in crisis is pitiful. His technique suffers a great deal when pressure is brought to bare. Not the ones when someone is about to rip his spleen out. But in the general high traffic pocket he can throw something that looks more like a bird falling to earth after being blasted with a shotgun.

And that isn't even considering the decisions he makes.

The two games in a row comment doesn't quite avail the fact he was playing two really awful teams to make these quick starts you speak of.

Andy Dalton is the guy who looks like the best back-up in the NFL, until your starter nearly rips a foot off on a run and you have to ask Dalton to step behind the worst line in the NFL.

I don't expect a miracle worker. But I do expect a ten year vet and starter at that to comport himself in a way that inspires a little confidence. There were times his eyes showed he wished he was back in the concussion protocol instead of behind the broken picket fence of Dallas.

I watched a different game. He did have some bad throws, suprisingly they are the shorter ones to rb's and so on. The receivers also dropped passes that were on the money. Lamb in the endzone, and gallup had 2. On that 4th down failure, it was a catchable pass to lamb, and should have been a PI on the other team.

There are areas to correct, but that is every game with most qb's

I cant imagine there were many hues and cries about dalton showing he was better than dak. Or i just saw they were stupid and didnt read them.

But yeah, given a healthy line, I don't think there is a ton of difference. I think you could critique either, and compliment both. They would both put up points. ( I would take dak over dalton)

 

[Aviano90]

Dalton has only started 3 games. So, one of those 3's is daks. And the 3 that is daltons zeke killed 2 drives that half with fumbles.

So, in 2019 that is basically a field goal in the first quarter and a touchdown in the 2nd. That is slow. And I am guessing since it is averages, there are a bunch of games where they scored nothing in the first and 2nd, and that is why it is in my head.

It is a critique for dak because i complained about slow starts a bunch last year, wishing we could start off faster.

It is a joke about Dalton because 3 starts is not much to go by, so it is not a good comparison. And it is a compliment for Dalton. I like going into the half with a lead or it being close. That is 2 games in a row he has had a good first half.

Dalton has started 4 games. The first game was against the Cardinals and we scored 3 points. 2nd game against the Commanders we scored 3 points and he got injured midway through the 3rd quarter. Then the last 2 starts which seems to impress you. So, no, one of those 3 points do not belong to Dak. They both belong to Dalton.

Just another double standard for how Dak is criticized for something other QBs would be complimented.

 

[G2]

I couldnt care less who these delusional fans support.

If yall want to continue to look foolish, year after year, thats on yall.

Im just gonna keep voicing my opinion on him, and im going to continue to be right

The blatant irony of this post. You can't be this misguided on accident.

 

[dsturgeon]

Dalton has started 4 games. The first game was against the Cardinals and we scored 3 points. 2nd game against the Commanders we scored 3 points and he got injured midway through the 3rd quarter. Then the last 2 starts which seems to impress you. So, no, one of those 3 points do not belong to Dak. They both belong to Dalton.

Just another double standard for how Dak is criticized for something other QBs would be complimented.

My mistake on that. Is Dak some sob story, that he can not be criticized? What is this poor little Dak attitude?

I did like the 2 starts. There is stuff to like about Dalton, just like there is Dak. I think anything that happens with this O-line is worthy of compliments, and Andy is the one that is playing with it.

You looked at the stats last year, so you can see that dak does have slow starts

So, why do you think that is?

1. playcalling
2. execution
3. needs rb's to wear down the defense

 

[G2]

My mistake on that. Is Dak some sob story, that he can not be criticized? What is this poor little Dak attitude?

I did like the 2 starts. There is stuff to like about Dalton, just like there is Dak. I think anything that happens with this O-line is worthy of compliments, and Andy is the one that is playing with it.

You looked at the stats last year, so you can see that dak does have slow starts

So, why do you think that is?

1. playcalling
2. execution
3. needs rb's to wear down the defense

Not this year. Prescott didn't have slow starts. I don't know what you were watching. Please don't claim it was all in garbage time either.

Dalton and Prescott aren't even close. Dalton is mediocre.

 

[dsturgeon]

Not this year. Prescott didn't have slow starts. I don't know what you were watching. Please don't claim it was all in garbage time either.

Dalton and Prescott aren't even close. Dalton is mediocre.

Did we play with a lead with dak this year? I am pretty sure the majority of his points game in the 3rd and 4th quarter.

 

[Aviano90]

My mistake on that. Is Dak some sob story, that he can not be criticized? What is this poor little Dak attitude?

I did like the 2 starts. There is stuff to like about Dalton, just like there is Dak. I think anything that happens with this O-line is worthy of compliments, and Andy is the one that is playing with it.

You looked at the stats last year, so you can see that dak does have slow starts

So, why do you think that is?

1. playcalling
2. execution
3. needs rb's to wear down the defense

No, he isn’t a sob story. I just don’t understand why a QB gets treated differently for the exact same thing.

Yes, Dak had slow starts last year. He had one start where we were shut out, another we only scored 3 points, another 2 we scored only 6 points, another with 7 points and I believe one more with 9. The rest were double digits.

Dak has continued to be criticized for slow starts this year and we have scored double digits in each first half with him. The games weren’t close because the defense was giving up a score on the overwhelming majority of their possessions. While turnovers assisted in that, the defense certainly could have stepped up and forced some FGs instead of allowing a TD on most of them.

If 14 points Is a slow start for Dak, 13 points shouldn’t be a solid start for Dalton.

 

[dsturgeon]

No, he isn’t a sob story. I just don’t understand why a QB gets treated differently for the exact same thing.

Yes, Dak had slow starts last year. He had one start where we were shut out, another we only scored 3 points, another 2 we scored only 6 points, another with 7 points and I believe one more with 9. The rest were double digits.

Dak has continued to be criticized for slow starts this year and we have scored double digits in each first half with him. The games weren’t close because the defense was giving up a score on the overwhelming majority of their possessions. While turnovers assisted in that, the defense certainly could have stepped up and forced some FGs instead of allowing a TD on most of them.

If 14 points I’d a slow start for Dak, 13 points shouldn’t be a solid start for Dalton.

Dak gets criticized because he is the actual qb of the cowboys, and he is up for a big money contract. And it is not so much criticism but a curiosity as to why. He has really good weapons

you listed 6 games of less than10 points in the first half --that is 35 percent of the games last year, he scored under 10

Out of the ones that were double digits if any are 10 or 13, that is still low in my book because it is less than 1 td a quarter.

And i don't really care when he scores them, a win is a win no matter when he gets the points, but it seems strange

 

[Aviano90]

Dak gets criticized because he is the actual qb of the cowboys, and he is up for a big money contract. And it is not so much criticism but a curiosity as to why. He has really good weapons

you listed 6 games of 10 points in the first half --that is 35 percent of the games last year, he scored under 10

Out of the ones that were double digits if any are 10 or 13, that is still low in my book because it is less than 1 td a quarter.

And i don't really care when he scores them, a win is a win no matter when he gets the points, but it seems strange

Dak has been hated by a good portion of this fanbase since 2016. Not saying that is the case for you but it is reality. He made $4 million over his first 4 years so being cheap didn’t buy him any slack. Dalton is making $3 million for this year alone.

Maybe your expectations are too high? If you expect us to average a TD a quarter then you expect us to score at least 28 points per game. That is a high bar. I think we did that in 2014 and 2007? It would typically put us in the top 5 scoring in most years.

 

[dsturgeon]

Dak has been hated by a good portion of this fanbase since 2016. Not saying that is the case for you but it is reality. He made $4 million over his first 4 years so being cheap didn’t buy him any slack. Dalton is making $3 million for this year alone.

Maybe your expectations are too high? If you expect us to average a TD a quarter then you expect us to score at least 28 points per game. That is a high bar. I think we did that in 2014 and 2007? It would typically put us in the top 5 scoring in most years.

I like dak, but I look at the game objectively, and this is something I have been noticed.

Andy was 1st round pick, Dak was a 4th. Andy is playing on a free agent contract, dak on his rookie. Thats the way it goes. Again the poor dak attitude.