News: Should the Cowboys Seriously Consider Moving on From Ezekiel Elliott?

[JonesBoys]

Here comes the parade of excuses for the Ewok. Why don’t you supporters just say “if he has a top 5-10 O line then he will be ok, just like any other RB in the league would be”?

At first it was JG’s fault he wasn’t used correctly even though he never would have had those rushing titles if it weren’t for JG. Then MM was going to save the day and finally use him like he “should” be used and now MM is the excuse. Then when some of us were preaching that his success post 2016 was mainly due to play calling and the O line, his supporters said the O line was over rated even though the stats said otherwise but NOW the O line is a valid excuse (although it wasn’t for every other RB in the league the past 4 years).

Another classic excuse was that the suspension was so distracting (even though he was out partying while being investigated and assaulted a DJ after the suspension).

Then it was he had to carry Dak.

Then it was his contract negotiations were “stressful” and he didn’t participate in training camp (because hanging out at the beach in Cabo while he voluntarism decided to skip training camp while his teammates are working hard is stressful)

Then it was COVID (even though he was getting “low key faded” aka getting high and drunk while “recovering”)

It literally never ends with the excuses for this chump. Sometime soon I may actually start a thread and list every common excuse I’ve heard for this guy, I bet I easily come up with 20. I don’t think there’s another NFL player that has brought so much upon himself but gets so much slack by his fan base and owner. No wonder we suck.

Your point about he needs a top o-line is dead on. Any running back can look good behind a top o-line you can get those running backs in the mid round for cheap. Zeke is not getting paid 90 million because he needs a top like he is getting paid because he is supposed to be a great back who can carry a team. He is not that running back.

 

[ghst187]

I was fine moving on from him when he was holding out but now jerry is married to him for at least another season or two so it doesn’t really matter. He’s still a very good player just overpaid.

 

[aria]

Your point about he needs a top o-line is dead on. Any running back can look good behind a top o-line you can get those running backs in the mid round for cheap. Zeke is not getting paid 90 million because he needs a top like he is getting paid because he is supposed to be a great back who can carry a team. He is not that running back.

I think you just summed up 4 years of my “drivel”.

Thank you

 

[nmcowboys]

Zeke is a top 5 running back

 

[Loso86]

LMAO.. "he is running behind would be practice squad guys with bums at QB.." What's wrong with him? Anything for click bait I guess.

Sadly ALOT of fans here do not care rather it's a good excuse or reason lol, they wanted him gone as soon as he signed that contract

 

[Kingofholland]

No shouldn't move on from him in 2021. His gear does look slower as he hits the 2nd level, but willing to give him an opportunity to bounce back in 2021 considering all that's gone wrong.

 

[Mattitude]

Why are you asking this. Of course we should have drafted Ramsey. Of course we should have signed Byron instead of zeke. Finally catching on?

 

[fivetwos]

No shouldn't move on from him in 2021. His gear does look slower as he hits the 2nd level, but willing to give him an opportunity to bounce back in 2021 considering all that's gone wrong.

Well considering his salary is already guaranteed, sure.

Not sure why this is a debate. Jerry isn't admitting the mistake nor paying him to play elesewhere.

 

[Kingofholland]

Well considering his salary is already guaranteed, sure.

Not sure why this is a debate. Jerry isn't admitting the mistake nor paying him to play elesewhere.

Well technically if he's on the team next year then his 2022 salary becomes guaranteed too. So if you keep him on the roster you're committing to him in 2022 too, which is why there's debate.

 

[Beaker42]

Zeke is a top 5 running back

At what? Sucking? After seeing him not be able to get it in 3 times from a yard out he needs be cut mid-flight home.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Completely self-defeating and bunk argument.

Bull. You completely missed my point. If you disagree, fine, be my guest, but insults are not needed.

McFadden came in after three straight seasons of 3.3, 3.3, and 3.4 YPC in Oakland. He comes into Dallas with a then stellar offensive line and commenced to producing 1,000+ yards in just 10 starts with a 4.6 YPC.

AND......add to the fact he had the likes of Weeden, Cassel, and Moore playing at QB which didn’t benefit him in terms of keeping the defenses honest.

Doesn't matter how much better McFadden was in his first year at Dallas. The main rusher went from 1,845 yards down to just over 1,000, that's about an 800 yard drop off. Regardless of who the qb was, the line was about the same but the total rushing went down.
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[blueblood70]

Sadly ALOT of fans here do not care rather it's a good excuse or reason lol, they wanted him gone as soon as he signed that contract

he was running for 5.3 ypc through 3 qtrs against that ravens solid DL and our garbage OL... not sure why any fan thinks hes done..they wore him out this year being on the field to block like FB , pass routes and his own carries and hes still trying hard..

its sad that our fans try harder to rip our players and go listing others players all day on the zone..

this year we have a backup team around him, that far for asking for an elite line, he needs some holes most times that OL is complete bunch they look like they are standing line at chic filet, no holes, defenders in the backfield, no cut back lanes etc etc..all backs need good OL and an OC to scheme run plays as well as pas splays..zeke is running behind a backup line , no passing threat, players around him not drawing attention away from him..hes the Key every game as the defenses know they dont have to really do anything special in our pass game.

hes ours another year, how about little support ..right? The hate is unreal and unfounded, his paycheck means nothing..the fumbles aside , hes not falling off cliff the team for 2020 is that for sure..

btw ES ran behind an elite like most of his career and had 6-7 years, thats half his career, with under 4.0 YPC avg.not game YEARS... reality check they are both similar backs , get better with volume and are available every game to take the load.. sorry you cant remember google ES career and find out this year the pone Zekes being destroyed for, ES had more then few, 6-7 years of poor AVG.he was on a phreaking HOF TEAM for goodness sakes..

 

[blueblood70]

Your point about he needs a top o-line is dead on. Any running back can look good behind a top o-line you can get those running backs in the mid round for cheap. Zeke is not getting paid 90 million because he needs a top like he is getting paid because he is supposed to be a great back who can carry a team. He is not that running back.

Not true

he was running for 5.3 ypc through 3 qtrs against that ravens solid DL and our garbage OL... not sure why any fan thinks hes done..they wore him out this year being on the field to block like FB , pass routes and his own carries and hes still trying hard..

its sad that our fans try harder to rip our players and go listing others players all day on the zone..

this year we have a backup team around him, that far for asking for an elite line, he needs some holes most times that OL is complete bunch they look like they are standing line at chic filet, no holes, defenders in the backfield, no cut back lanes etc etc..all backs need good OL and an OC to scheme run plays as well as pas splays..zeke is running behind a backup line , no passing threat, players around him not drawing attention away from him..hes the Key every game as the defenses know they dont have to really do anything special in our pass game.

hes ours another year, how about little support ..right? The hate is unreal and unfounded, his paycheck means nothing..the fumbles aside , hes not falling off cliff the team for 2020 is that for sure..

btw ES ran behind an elite like most of his career and had 6-7 years, thats half his career, with under 4.0 YPC avg.not game YEARS... reality check they are both similar backs , get better with volume and are available every game to take the load.. sorry you cant remember google ES career and find out this year the pone Zekes being destroyed for, ES had more then few, 6-7 years of poor AVG.he was on a phreaking HOF TEAM for goodness sakes..

 

[Hook'em#11]

If he doesn't restructure his ridiculous contract, I'd say yes. If he will and try to help this team sign others, keep him. He is having a horrible year, but, hardly the problem.

Now, the list on Defense who to get rid of is a crap ton larger.

 

[Loso86]

he was running for 5.3 ypc through 3 qtrs against that ravens solid DL and our garbage OL... not sure why any fan thinks hes done..they wore him out this year being on the field to block like FB , pass routes and his own carries and hes still trying hard..

its sad that our fans try harder to rip our players and go listing others players all day on the zone..

this year we have a backup team around him, that far for asking for an elite line, he needs some holes most times that OL is complete bunch they look like they are standing line at chic filet, no holes, defenders in the backfield, no cut back lanes etc etc..all backs need good OL and an OC to scheme run plays as well as pas splays..zeke is running behind a backup line , no passing threat, players around him not drawing attention away from him..hes the Key every game as the defenses know they dont have to really do anything special in our pass game.

hes ours another year, how about little support ..right? The hate is unreal and unfounded, his paycheck means nothing..the fumbles aside , hes not falling off cliff the team for 2020 is that for sure..

btw ES ran behind an elite like most of his career and had 6-7 years, thats half his career, with under 4.0 YPC avg.not game YEARS... reality check they are both similar backs , get better with volume and are available every game to take the load.. sorry you cant remember google ES career and find out this year the pone Zekes being destroyed for, ES had more then few, 6-7 years of poor AVG.he was on a phreaking HOF TEAM for goodness sakes..

Man bro, I always say the same thing. When we score they look to criticize SOMEONE or SOMETHING instead of celebrating the td.

 

[blueblood70]

Man bro, I always say the same thing. When we score they look to criticize SOMEONE or SOMETHING instead of celebrating the td.

yes this place has become a bunch of jaded karens looking to find anything to beat up their team about, wish for losses, and praise other teams and players..sad era we are in..

i do my best to be the choice of reason and find balance in this place..

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Doesn't matter how much better McFadden was in his first year at Dallas. The main rusher went from 1,845 yards down to just over 1,000, that's about an 800 yard drop off. Regardless of who the qb was, the line was about the same but the total rushing went down.
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Then you’re clearly devoid of understanding.

The o-line made a middling RB in the twilight of his career a 1,000+ rusher/4.6 YPC. Murray also had 153 more carries than McFadden.

To say it doesn’t matter who was at QB is stupefying.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

yes this place has become a bunch of jaded karens looking to find anything to beat up their team about, wish for losses, and praise other teams and players..sad era we are in..

i do my best to be the choice of reason and find balance in this place..

Maybe you should pack up and leave then.

 

[quickccc]

Unless Zeke can find second gear hes not the same threat he was before. I appreciate Zeke, but I'd be lying to myself if I didn't believe we could find similar production at a fraction of the cost.

That's by far the biggest key, imo.,

- Do everything we can to resurrect that 2nd gear of burst that made him the 4th overall pick in the 2016 draft.
None of his anti-Zeke critics were complaining when he was breaking 20+ runs and home run quick screen passes his first 2 years in NFL.

- And what happened after 2017 ?.... They bulked him up and made him top heavy.
I don't buy into the wear- tear toll excuse that many seem to want to more believe, if such were the case, then ZKE is definitely finished as an elite.
He becomes a methodical power back ..and he doesn't have elite pass receiving skills or top elusiveness to be enough of a factor for that kind of fat cost money.
and that's not what you drafted that high for.

- And for those basing Zeke's struggles this year off this current band -aid OL, are not taking in the last 2 years as well.
He's just not breaking big runs anymore. He wasn't even breaking big runs when he had his stellar named OL in 2019.

- The same way Garrett -regime re-conditioned Zeke's body frame to take on more bulk to make him more of a pounding, workload bell cow...
... the same way this coaching regime needs to re-condition ZKE's body frame back closer to his 2016 version where he displayed the big burst.
If this staff does not see, recognize nor address that issue as such. Then I think ZKE won't ever be at that level again - we'll never have that elite player
again, and Cowboys have to be content with just a power back that will rarely have 20+ splash runs.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

yes this place has become a bunch of jaded karens looking to find anything to beat up their team about, wish for losses, and praise other teams and players..sad era we are in..

i do my best to be the choice of reason and find balance in this place..

So the great Tony Pollard finally got more chances to run. Great! But 8 carries for 22 yards, 2.8 ypc. 2 straight carries for no gain or a loss. Meanwhile until his last 3 attempts, all stupid "run into the middle of the Ravens' defense where the defense was waiting for him", Zekewas like 15 for 75, 5.0 ypc. Broke over 10 yard runs, made moves, and NO fumbles.
Yes the o-line played a bit better, Zeke benefitted, but then if the line was better why did Pollard do so poorly?

It's only one game, sure, but you can't take away Zeke's efforts this game, he did pretty darn good for running behind all backups but for Williams, himself hardly a Pro Bowler...