News: Cowboys Know Value Of Losing: Its Name Is 'Troy Aikman'

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No you didn't
You named a cherry picked list of QBs that you think proves your false narrative.
Now name the good ones.

Why does he have to make supporting arguments for your position?

Seeing that you are not arguing his list is a bunch of busts, there is evidence of a lot of first round QB busts. Further QB has one of the highest 1st round bust rates. That should be obvious. I'll be happy to google it for you if you need me to prove what should be obvious.

The thing is you have to draft a QB in the first round because the bust rate in later round QBs is in the toilet. I don't think people understand how rare Prescott was.

 

[Bigdog]

With thinking like that I thank God that you have zero to do with the Cowboys. With all of the needs the Cowboys have, offensive line and multiple positions on defense, a smaller cap that won't allow for getting QUALITY free agents, you want to SQUANDER valuable draft picks on a QB that has ZERO guarantees that he will be as good let alone better than Prescott. Thank you God for not letting this guy a part of the Cowboys.
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We are going to have 11 picks for this upcoming draft. The Chiefs gave up a 1st and 3rd and following year first to move 17 spots to draft Mahomes. Lawrence coming out of college is better than Mahomes was coming out. Dak is going to cost more in 1 year than you will have to pay Lawrence in 5 years and he is coming off an injury that he will have screws and plates put in. His mobility might not be the same. The salary cap probably will be going down so you won’t be able to add FA because of Dak’s contract or tag. The defense and OL are not going to be fixed in one draft. Like I have said before when they were doing the Big Dig in Boston there was a sign that said Rome wasn’t built in a day. If it was we would have hired there contractor. The Cowboys won their Super Bowls in the 70’s and 90’s by taking risks. That is how this country was built. Don’t think giving up what the Chiefs did for Mahomes is asking that much. Bill Walsh risked his reputation by trading up from 30 to 16 to draft the greatest player of all time in Jerry Rice in which the Cowboys were targeting at 17 and that was after they already won a SB. You can sit on the sideline and not take risks. That’s fine. But if you take a calculated risk it could pay off big in the long run. Trading up for Lawrence would be a risk I would take as long as it doesn’t take too much but the Jags or the Jets are not going to do it.

 

[conner01]

They were ALL 1st round picks.

Not first pick though
You can miss on a player at any pick but the higher you pick the less likely you are to miss
The biggest thing that causes misses is reaching to fill a need. Russell should never have been picked in the first round let alone at the top

 

[conner01]

Number 1 is the first pick not just a first round pick

 

[conner01]

We are going to have 11 picks for this upcoming draft. The Chiefs gave up a 1st and 3rd and following year first to move 17 spots to draft Mahomes. Lawrence coming out of college is better than Mahomes was coming out. Dak is going to cost more in 1 year than you will have to pay Lawrence in 5 years and he is coming off an injury that he will have screws and plates put in. His mobility might not be the same. The salary cap probably will be going down so you won’t be able to add FA because of Dak’s contract or tag. The defense and OL are not going to be fixed in one draft. Like I have said before when they were doing the Big Dig in Boston there was a sign that said Rome wasn’t built in a day. If it was we would have hired there contractor. The Cowboys won their Super Bowls in the 70’s and 90’s by taking risks. That is how this country was built. Don’t think giving up what the Chiefs did for Mahomes is asking that much. Bill Walsh risked his reputation by trading up from 30 to 16 to draft the greatest player of all time in Jerry Rice in which the Cowboys were targeting at 17 and that was after they already won a SB. You can sit on the sideline and not take risks. That’s fine. But if you take a calculated risk it could pay off big in the long run. Trading up for Lawrence would be a risk I would take as long as it doesn’t take too much but the Jags or the Jets are not going to do it.

You aren’t getting Lawrence for a first and third

 

[Bigdog]

You aren’t getting Lawrence for a first and third

I know that. I was just commenting on the reply that was given to me from another poster. I think whoever gets the 1st pick is not giving it up.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

No one said that numb nuts.

No one said it but you. Don’t back away from it because you realize how stupid it sounds when someone else repeats what you said.

 

[Rockport]

Not first pick though
You can miss on a player at any pick but the higher you pick the less likely you are to miss
The biggest thing that causes misses is reaching to fill a need. Russell should never have been picked in the first round let alone at the top

None of those should’ve been picked in the 1st round. Get it?

 

[Rockport]

No one said it but you. Don’t back away from it because you realize how stupid it sounds when someone else repeats what you said.

Show me where I said that. I’m waiting.

 

[tyke1doe]

Number 1 is the first pick not just a first round pick

But three of the quarterbacks listed were the No. 1 overall pick (Cam Newton, Jameis Winston and Jamarcus Russell). You said only one was the No. 1 pick.
That's why I didn't follow your comment.

 

[Jake]

We are going to have 11 picks for this upcoming draft. The Chiefs gave up a 1st and 3rd and following year first to move 17 spots to draft Mahomes. Lawrence coming out of college is better than Mahomes was coming out. Dak is going to cost more in 1 year than you will have to pay Lawrence in 5 years and he is coming off an injury that he will have screws and plates put in. His mobility might not be the same. The salary cap probably will be going down so you won’t be able to add FA because of Dak’s contract or tag. The defense and OL are not going to be fixed in one draft. Like I have said before when they were doing the Big Dig in Boston there was a sign that said Rome wasn’t built in a day. If it was we would have hired there contractor. The Cowboys won their Super Bowls in the 70’s and 90’s by taking risks. That is how this country was built. Don’t think giving up what the Chiefs did for Mahomes is asking that much. Bill Walsh risked his reputation by trading up from 30 to 16 to draft the greatest player of all time in Jerry Rice in which the Cowboys were targeting at 17 and that was after they already won a SB. You can sit on the sideline and not take risks. That’s fine. But if you take a calculated risk it could pay off big in the long run. Trading up for Lawrence would be a risk I would take as long as it doesn’t take too much but the Jags or the Jets are not going to do it.

If the Jags have the number one pick they're taking Barbie no matter what you offer them. It won't work out as they hope, but they'll take her regardless.

 

[Bigdog]

If the Jags have the number one pick they're taking Barbie no matter what you offer them. It won't work out as they hope, but they'll take her regardless.

I agree. I am looking at from a financial standpoint. I like Dak but also Lawrence. I just want Dak and our FO agree on a reasonable contract that will not hamper our future.

 

[Floatyworm]

This article is dead on accurate .
Not even debatable.

This only works if there is a player worth tanking for.....this year....There was one....and we blew our shot w/ a dumb onside kick vs Atlanta.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Lawrence will refuse to join the Jags this is a gimmie.
The question now is which team will give the farm and trade up?
Jerry you listening bud?

 

[gjkoeppen]

We are going to have 11 picks for this upcoming draft. The Chiefs gave up a 1st and 3rd and following year first to move 17 spots to draft Mahomes. Lawrence coming out of college is better than Mahomes was coming out. Dak is going to cost more in 1 year than you will have to pay Lawrence in 5 years and he is coming off an injury that he will have screws and plates put in. His mobility might not be the same. The salary cap probably will be going down so you won’t be able to add FA because of Dak’s contract or tag. The defense and OL are not going to be fixed in one draft. Like I have said before when they were doing the Big Dig in Boston there was a sign that said Rome wasn’t built in a day. If it was we would have hired there contractor. The Cowboys won their Super Bowls in the 70’s and 90’s by taking risks. That is how this country was built. Don’t think giving up what the Chiefs did for Mahomes is asking that much. Bill Walsh risked his reputation by trading up from 30 to 16 to draft the greatest player of all time in Jerry Rice in which the Cowboys were targeting at 17 and that was after they already won a SB. You can sit on the sideline and not take risks. That’s fine. But if you take a calculated risk it could pay off big in the long run. Trading up for Lawrence would be a risk I would take as long as it doesn’t take too much but the Jags or the Jets are not going to do it.

Part of your problem is you keep getting things wrong. The only FOR SURE draft picks the Cowboys have for the 2021 draft is SEVEN, one for each round in the draft. It's POSSIBLE that they can get awarded anywhere from 0-3 compensatory picks, but they have not been awarded yet and to count on something that's not written in stone is foolishness. Next if you weren't trying so hard to make up BS about not signing Prescott because you're a Prescott hater and did a little more research you would know that because of everything that has happened this year the owners have decided for just this coming off season to allow teams to carryover unlimited amount of money instead of the normal 5%. The Cowboys have about 25 mil that they will carryover. Now back on July 15th the last day to sign a player that was tagged to a long term contract in the final hour or so Prescott himself was negotiating and they agreed on the amount, 35 mil a year but couldn't get the length and guaranteed amount worked out so the 25 mil carryover from that 35 mil leaves only 10 mil off next year's cap and that isn't going to cripple the Cowboys and they will still have all that draft capital to fill actual needs they have. Oh and unlike the Prescott haters who keep TRYING to paint this as an all crippled up Prescott next year, the actual doctors and trainers have said he'll be good to go next year and besides that they say he is ahead of schedule on his rehab. The Cowboys as well as just about every team have taken those risks and later wished they hadn't because they turned out to be BAD risks. It's because of all those bad risks that we see so few risks taken because the key word is RISK. Again, thank you God for not letting this guy anywhere close to the Cowboys.

 

[AsthmaField]

You have that so wrong. The Cowboys didn't have a 1st round pick in 1990 because of taking Steve Walsh in the 1st round of the supplemental draft in 1989 so they used the pick they got from the vikings in the Walker trade to trade up to the steelers 17th pick. So yes, the Walker trade got Emmitt. Even at that, if it was left to Jimmy Johnson, Emmitt wouldn't have been a Cowboy. Johnson wanted to draft LB James Francis but about 1 minute after the trade with the steelers was completed, the bengals drafted Francis so Johnson was going to take LB Tony Bennett but Jones said no to that and that they would take Emmitt. The ironic thing was that was the second draft in a row that Jones over ruled Johnson on their first pick. In 1989 Jonhson want to take Tony Mandarich but Jones said Aikman. In both cases the packers picked right after the Cowboys and took both players Johnson wanted. Mandarich was a bust and Bennett was an average LB. Johnson didn't want Aikman or Emmitt because they both turned him down and not going to Miami.

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You’re 100% correct that the Dallas first round pick in the 1990 draft went to Steve Walsh in the 1989 supplemental draft. The Cowboys only had the 21st pick because of the Walker trade. The excess draft capital from that trade gave the team ample ammo to move up from the 21 pick to the 17 pick to take Emmitt.

However, Jimmy first tried to trade up with New England to pick Ray Agnew. A deal couldn’t be worked out with them and in fact, the Patriots themselves ended up drafting Johnson’s target with the 10th pick.

Then, Jimmy did indeed want to draft James Francis once Agnew was taken, but Francis was picked long before Dallas made the trade up from 21 to 17 for Smith. Cincy turned down Jimmy’s trade proposal for Dallas to move up to the 12th overall pick and instead, they too took the player that Jimmy was targeting.

It was only then that both of those targets were gone that Johnson started noticing that Emmitt was sliding. Once Dallas was sure that Emmitt would be there at 17, they pulled the trigger to move up from 21 to make the pick.

Every article that I read on that draft says the first two targets were Agnew and Francis and that once they were gone the team started focusing on RB Smith. In fact, I specifically remember Johnson saying that he made the trade up to 17 to get in front of Green Bay (pick 18 and 19) and Atlanta (pick 20) because both teams were in the market for a RB. Green Bay drafted Darrell Thompson RB from Minnesota at 19 and Atlanta picked Steve Broussard RB from Washington State at 20.

This is the first that I have heard regarding Jimmy having interest in Bennett as well as anything on Johnson wanting him instead of Smith. Certainly nothing about Jones overriding Johnson to draft Emmitt.

 

[gjkoeppen]

You’re 100% correct that the Dallas first round pick in the 1990 draft went to Steve Walsh in the 1989 supplemental draft. The Cowboys only had the 21st pick because of the Walker trade. The excess draft capital from that trade gave the team ample ammo to move up from the 21 pick to the 17 pick to take Emmitt.

However, Jimmy first tried to trade up with New England to pick Ray Agnew. A deal couldn’t be worked out with them and in fact, the Patriots themselves ended up drafting Johnson’s target with the 10th pick.

Then, Jimmy did indeed want to draft James Francis once Agnew was taken, but Francis was picked long before Dallas made the trade up from 21 to 17 for Smith. Cincy turned down Jimmy’s trade proposal for Dallas to move up to the 12th overall pick and instead, they too took the player that Jimmy was targeting.

It was only then that both of those targets were gone that Johnson started noticing that Emmitt was sliding. Once Dallas was sure that Emmitt would be there at 17, they pulled the trigger to move up from 21 to make the pick.

Every article that I read on that draft says the first two targets were Agnew and Francis and that once they were gone the team started focusing on RB Smith. In fact, I specifically remember Johnson saying that he made the trade up to 17 to get in front of Green Bay (pick 18 and 19) and Atlanta (pick 20) because both teams were in the market for a RB. Green Bay drafted Darrell Thompson RB from Minnesota at 19 and Atlanta picked Steve Broussard RB from Washington State at 20.

This is the first that I have heard regarding Jimmy having interest in Bennett as well as anything on Johnson wanting him instead of Smith. Certainly nothing about Jones overriding Johnson to draft Emmitt.

I wish I still had the video from the 1st round of the 1990 draft because when the announcers were talking about the trade the Cowboys made with the steelers for the 17th pick after it was already announced at the podium and then a couple minutes later Tagliabue went to the podium and announce the bengals with the 12th pick selected James Francis so the trade was done before the bengals picked. Also if you saw the pregame for Super Bowl XLV you would seen a round table discussion with Aikman, Emmitt, Johnston, Irvin, Jones and Johnson and you would have heard Emmitt say if it was left to Johnson he wouldn't have been a Cowboy and then thanked Jones for making that call. This part of the discussion started when Daryl Johnston said most people credit Jimmy Johnson for the triplets but Irvin was drafted the year before Johnson got there and then Emmitt jumped in and said what he said. After Johnson left the Cowboys in an interview he said on the drafts he had problems with both Aikman and Emmitt because both turned him down at Miami. Emmitt was worse because Emmitt went to the rival school of Florida.
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[AsthmaField]

I wish I still had the video from the 1st round of the 1990 draft because when the announcers were talking about the trade the Cowboys made with the steelers for the 17th pick after it was already announced at the podium and then a couple minutes later Tagliabue went to the podium and announce the bengals with the 12th pick selected James Francis so the trade was done before the bengals picked. Also if you saw the pregame for Super Bowl XLV you would seen a round table discussion with Aikman, Emmitt, Johnston, Irvin, Jones and Johnson and you would have heard Emmitt say if it was left to Johnson he wouldn't have been a Cowboy and then thanked Jones for making that call. This part of the discussion started when Daryl Johnston said most people credit Jimmy Johnson for the triplets but Irvin was drafted the year before Johnson got there and then Emmitt jumped in and said what he said. After Johnson left the Cowboys in an interview he said on the drafts he had problems with both Aikman and Emmitt because both turned him down at Miami. Emmitt was worse because Emmitt went to the rival school of Florida.
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Well, I’m not going to have an argument about Johnson not wanting to draft Emmitt because I apparently didn’t see the pregame stuff that you did. It would be the first that I’d heard about it though.

Plus, it’s just not worth it this many years later.

But in order for Dallas to make the trade before Francis was picked, they would have had to move up from 21 to 17 while pick 11 (or sooner) was on the clock. I really, really don’t think it was anywhere close to that early, but maybe I’m remembering it wrong. Jimmy said specifically that they moved in front of GB and Atl because they needed RB’s.

Anyway, it’s all good. The point of your first post was that Emmitt was drafted with Walker trade capitol and that is a fact.

 

[Rockport]

Lawrence will refuse to join the Jags this is a gimmie.
The question now is which team will give the farm and trade up?
Jerry you listening bud?

Keep dreaming loser.

 

[Flamma]

Dwayne Haskins, Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell, Akili Smith, Heath Shuler, Carson Wentz, Tim Tebow, Teddy Bridgewater, Jameius Winston, Paxton Lynch, Jarod Goff, Marcus Mariota, Johnny Manziel, EJ Manuel, Robert Griffey, Ryan Tannehill, Brandon Weedon, Cam Newton and on and on and on and on......

More where that came from too. And unless Tua improves a lot, you can add him to the list. Because right now he's no better than Ryan Fitzpatrick. That's not worth the pick they used on him.