Twitter: Jerry on Dak: Evolving into NFL QB, "Picture Perfect"

[Future]

If you are asking who I would take at QB next season over Dak Prescott .

The question is who you think is better.

If you think some of those guys are better hten Dak, then you absolutely do not know what you're talking about.

 

[jaythecowboy]

This is the problem than many forget when y'all have the Anti Dak/Pro Dak screaming matches.

The same folks who say you can't spend a top pick on a QB, they're liable to bust seem to think that the same doesn't apply to said defensive player y'all want Dallas to draft.

College ball players bust, it's a proven fact. For every Myles/Donald there are Doing Jordan's and Eli Apples. Throwing a 1st on a defender is not much more of a guarantee than on a QB.

The FA/Cap room argument can go either way until we all see some more definitive numbers, but both sides have some decent arguments as well pertaining to the money. But again, FA is also a huge gamble.

The issue is when you are talking about qb you generally are talking about a much bigger investment. People often spend multiple picks to get in position to take a top qb. If you miss on that you can set the team back half a decade. If you are just picking a qb in the 4th round, you haven't risked much if you miss.

 

[Diehardblues]

I like this exercise. It's fun to ask those who say "Dak is average" what 10 QBs they'd take over him. Make them put in writing that Matt Ryan or whoever is better. They never do.

It's Mahomes, and then a group of Dak, Wilson, Lamar, Watson, and Rodgers in whatever order you'd like. Either way you spin it, Dak's a top 6 QB.

It’s all a speculative argument . Much like Elite is a speculative term. Most would define Elite as SB champion, MVP or consistent league leader in passing.

I wouldn’t even put Jackson into that Elite category yet because he’s not a prolific passer IMO while his value is no doubt worthy. And Daks value to our team is MVP caliber as well. I just don’t see him as one of the more prolific passers in the league at this time.

But he’s still worthy of a big contract as most in the best of the rest category are. You can still win with them. And the way QB contracts are done the market often drives it. And how Ryan and Stafford were the top paid QB’s in recent years while not being in that Elite category IMO. At least not consistently.

I’ll give you my list of top QB’s. Dak would be in the best of the rest category.

In no particular order . Top QB’s

Rodgers
Mahomes
Brady
Brees
Rivers
Wilson
Rothleisburger
Allen - could be in best of rest but he’s elevated himself this year and see him as the Prolific type passer that defines Elite to me.

Best of the rest

Jackson- MVP but not the prolific type passer. He could elevate himself over time.
Watson- more in the next best of rest like Prescott
Prescott
Goff
Ryan
Cousins
Stafford
Carr

Best up and coming

Herbert- could be next Elite type
Burrows
Tua
Murray
Darnold- has potential but on horrid team
Maxwell

 

[jaythecowboy]

Yall do understand that Jerry and Stephen offered Dak exact market value long before the deadline Dak wanted to set the precedence he and his cruddy agent with the amount of years plus over the guaranteed money they were asking. Jerry didn't cave to the 4 year deal and Dak bet on himself and paid dearly. I doubt he's going to get even what they offered before especially coming off a horrific injury. I don't fault the kid but I wouldn't have left all that guaranteed money on the table over 1 year contract length.

The guaranteed money way way below market for a 5 year deal.

 

[Future]

It’s all a speculative argument . Much like Elite is a speculative term. Most would define Elite as SB champion, MVP or consistent league leader in passing.

I wouldn’t even put Jackson into that Elite category yet because he’s not a prolific passer IMO while his value is no doubt worthy. And Daks value to our team is MVP caliber as well. I just don’t see him as one of the more prolific passers in the league at this time.

But he’s still worthy of a big contract as most in the best of the rest category are. You can still win with them. And the way QB contracts are done the market often drives it. And how Ryan and Stafford were the top paid QB’s in recent years while not being in that Elite category IMO. At least not consistently.

I’ll give you my list of top QB’s. Dak would be in the best of the rest category.

In no particular order . Top QB’s

Rodgers
Mahomes
Brady
Brees
Rivers
Wilson
Rothleisburger
Allen - could be in best of rest but he’s elevated himself this year and see him as the Prolific type passer that defines Elite to me.

Best of the rest

Jackson- MVP but not the prolific type passer. He could elevate himself over time.
Watson- more in the next best of rest like Prescott
Prescott
Goff
Ryan
Cousins
Stafford
Carr

Best up and coming

Herbert- could be next Elite type
Burrows
Tua
Murray
Darnold- has potential but on horrid team
Maxwell

If you think Brees, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Brady, and Allen are better than Dak, then you are truly clueless. This is exactly why I ask people to put this stuff in writing. There's no way you've watched those guys play this year if you think this.

Is Maxwell even a real player?

 

[Vandyr]

If you think Brees, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Brady, and Allen are better than Dak, then you are truly clueless.

This is your brain on homerism, kids. Don't be a homer.

 

[Brax]

Jerry's going to cave isn't he...

the film Jerry watched to evaluate Dak.

 

[Future]

This is your brain on homerism, kids. Don't be a homer.

Nope. If you think Drew Brees is playing better football than Dak Prescott, you are not actually watching. The guy can't throw the ball.

 

[Diehardblues]

If you think Brees, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Brady, and Allen are better than Dak, then you are truly clueless. This is exactly why I ask people to put this stuff in writing. There's no way you've watched those guys play this year if you think this.

Is Maxwell even a real player?

My analysis isn’t just about this year on my top QB’s. It’s their entire body of work.

Browns have had talent . Just needed a better QB. First time making playoffs since 2002 qualifies him. Team results matter when you’re QB.

 

[SixFiveCowboy]

"Dak paid dearly"? You do realize that the franchise tag number will go UP? He will be franchised as soon as he is eligible....and he will easily get more money than they originally offered!

You damn right he paid dearly Dak has no idea what version of himself he will be a compound fracture has ruined many of careers. There's no way he will know who he even is until he gets himself back in the game under live fire to even see if he is in fact healthy mentally that injury changed that young man we're now left to see if it's going to be mentally or physically if you've ever played the game then you know exactly what I'm talking about. Unfortunately as a fan it's been 26 years for us so giving him the patience he'll deserve seriously won't happen and the franchise is literally stuck with him and tied to his ability to recover because of the pr nightmare he presents.

 

[SixFiveCowboy]

The guaranteed money way way below market for a 5 year deal.

They were never going to give him more money than Russell Wilson and if you're a good business man you wouldn't either what has Dak produced that even resemble the anything that Wilson has as a qb? He didn't deserve that money and you can't deny that. He was good coming out the gate but Dak has won 1 playoff game I repeat one how is he suppose to make the money of a guy that's been to two super bowl, league MVP, and super bowl MVP. I mean come on man. Dak and his agent was smoking dope.

 

[Diehardblues]

This is your brain on homerism, kids. Don't be a homer.

Being a Homer of the team is fine. But when you place individuals above the best interest then it becomes a concern.

 

[Philmonroe]

Very reasonable post IMHO. I would say that the cluster is even bigger after the top 10 and it is very close with Dak probably near the top of that cluster. Names that could easily be thrown into the cluster are Wentz, Baker, Goff, Rivers, Ryan, Cousins, Minshew, Smith and Garoppolo. Dak has not really separated himself in any appreciable way statistically from any of these guys.

Having said that Dak is as close to a top shelf QB as we can hope to get and that comes at the price of 40 million per year. Lets go ahead and sign the deal, try to help him as much as we can, and hope that he can elevate his play somewhat.

Nope. Let's not pay him 40 millin just because he's decent. I'm pretty sure if you see the vast majority of qb's you'll see their stats and actual game rarely improve after 4/5 years starting in the league. I'm too lazy to do the Nate Silver thing but if one of them types does I'll bet anything that I'd be right just based off of the small sample size I've done on this. Dak is who he is for the most part. I don't think he'll get much better. He already has the talent so that won't really get much better than what he has. Maybe some wouod say coaching and I wont argue that too hard if someone beleives that. Dak like most players after 4/5 years starting are done improving in any major way that will be super noticeable. Some people say Romo kept improving but looking at his numbers you can't see this meteoric improving. That isn't to say players can't have an outlier season or two but fr,the most part you know what you're going to get from Dak and most by year 4/5 of starting. He's not 40millin good but I understand some people are risk adverse.

 

[Diehardblues]

I completely support paying Dak. He’s definitely a franchise QB. But I don’t describe franchise as elite.

 

[jaythecowboy]

They were never going to give him more money than Russell Wilson and if you're a good business man you wouldn't either what has Dak produced that even resemble the anything that Wilson has as a qb? He didn't deserve that money and you can't deny that. He was good coming out the gate but Dak has won 1 playoff game I repeat one how is he suppose to make the money of a guy that's been to two super bowl, league MVP, and super bowl MVP. I mean come on man. Dak and his agent was smoking dope.

I'm basing it on Goff's extension. He got $110 million guaranteed on a four year contract but then the Cowboys offer $110 million guaranteed on a five year contract a year later? And I 100% think Dak is better than Goff.

 

[USArmyVet]

Jerry's going to cave isn't he...

Sadly he will do what he always does and sign his buddy buddy players to big contracts only to watch them suck up the place soon after: Zeke, J. Smith, Lawrence.....and soon to be Dak. This franchise is the joke of the NFC East. At least Washington, Giants, and Philly recognize the error of their ways and rebuild when needed. Outside of Wentz the three teams referenced did not screw themselves by overpaying questionable talent but let Wentz be a warning to Jerry about overpaying a QB and the damage it can do to the team's salary cap and inability to sign additional talent.

 

[Philmonroe]

People need to stop comparing Dak to Mahomes and Rogers. It is similar to the NBA. Go and have a look at how many people make as much if not more than Lebron. It makes no sense but that is just the way the economy works. You either pay the money and get the best guy that is available to you or you go without.

Do you just post to post? Please stop posting non sense in the age of Google where things can easily be looked up. It is only 4/5 players that make more than Lebron and all of them except one (wall) are known superstar level players.

 

[jaythecowboy]

Nope. Let's not pay him 40 millin just because he's decent. I'm pretty sure if you see the vast majority of qb's you'll see their stats and actual game rarely improve after 4/5 years starting in the league. I'm too lazy to do the Nate Silver thing but if one of them types does I'll bet anything that I'd be right just based off of the small sample size I've done on this. Dak is who he is for the most part. I don't think he'll get much better. He already has the talent so that won't really get much better than what he has. Maybe some wouod say coaching and I wont argue that too hard if someone beleives that. Dak like most players after 4/5 years starting are done improving in any major way that will be super noticeable. Some people say Romo kept improving but looking at his numbers you can't see this meteoric improving. That isn't to say players can't have an outlier season or two but fr,the most part you know what you're going to get from Dak and most by year 4/5 of starting. He's not 40millin good but I understand some people are risk adverse.

Dak was top 5 in qbr 3 of his first 4 years in the league, and then he was on a record setting pace this year before getting injured.

 

[Philmonroe]

Dak was top 5 in qbr 3 of his first 4 years in the league, and then he was on a record setting pace this year before getting injured.

Google has messed you google nerds up smh.

 

[Diehardblues]

Signing Dak to a big contract is a win win for Jethro. It enables the Cowboys to remain “ relative and interesting “. Those are his words.