Twitter: Archer: Quinn is the favorite for DC

[stilltheguru]

Food for thought:

That one play revealed some recurring problems with the Falcons defense as constructed by Quinn: gaping holes in the zone coverage, poor angles to pass-catchers and lack of speed in the secondary. The first two things on the list are related to Quinn’s defensive design and poor technique by his players. The lack of speed can be attributed to Quinn’s personnel preferences.

Quinn likes big and long cornerbacks who can play a physical technique. His safeties tend to be hitters more than runners. Those preferences show up with all the Falcons penalties for holding, pass interference and roughing. It also means the Falcons can struggle to run with wide receivers of even average speed (Brown ran 40 yards in 4.49 seconds at the draft combine).

Quinn coordinated an all-time great defense for the Seahawks in 2013 and a league-leading unit in 2014. There was a time it appeared he would successfully import that style as head coach for the Falcons. Quinn loaded the roster with draft prospects who fit his mold and had his guys on the come by the end of the Super Bowl season.

But the defense improved only marginally in 2017. Last year’s defensive struggles were attributed to injuries. I thought Quinn scapegoated coordinator Marquand Manuel, who did a solid job under the circumstances. Now the Falcons are healthier, Quinn is running the defense and it doesn’t look any better.

Here’s what CBS game analyst Adam Archuleta, an NFL safety for seven seasons, had to say about Quinn’s group as Tennessee closed out the victory:

"I just think when you look on the defensive side of the ball, they just need more play-makers and they need more players that can affect the game at different levels of their defense. They just haven't been able to make the plays on a consistent basis this year. To play this style of defense that Dan Quinn wants to play, you need game changers and you need difference-makers and I am not sure how many of those guys they have on the defensive side."

The Falcons have not reaped the potential benefits of a basic defensive scheme. They’ve suffered plenty from the drawbacks. It’s harder and harder for Quinn’s defensive approach to work in a pass-oriented league with rules designed to juice scoring. Even Seattle’s defense became average as the core players from those great teams departed.

https://www.ajc.com/blog/mike-check...n-working-for-falcons/VOTnaCgr8x1DhRZqZBFqHO/

Guys like Keanu Neal need to stay far away. I've seen him mentioned way too much on here. He sucks and Quinn tried to make him Chancellor 2.0.........if he is the choice dont let him pick players if he's constantly trying to recreate LOB

 

[Sydla]

Food for thought:

That one play revealed some recurring problems with the Falcons defense as constructed by Quinn: gaping holes in the zone coverage, poor angles to pass-catchers and lack of speed in the secondary. The first two things on the list are related to Quinn’s defensive design and poor technique by his players. The lack of speed can be attributed to Quinn’s personnel preferences.

Quinn likes big and long cornerbacks who can play a physical technique. His safeties tend to be hitters more than runners. Those preferences show up with all the Falcons penalties for holding, pass interference and roughing. It also means the Falcons can struggle to run with wide receivers of even average speed (Brown ran 40 yards in 4.49 seconds at the draft combine).

Quinn coordinated an all-time great defense for the Seahawks in 2013 and a league-leading unit in 2014. There was a time it appeared he would successfully import that style as head coach for the Falcons. Quinn loaded the roster with draft prospects who fit his mold and had his guys on the come by the end of the Super Bowl season.

But the defense improved only marginally in 2017. Last year’s defensive struggles were attributed to injuries. I thought Quinn scapegoated coordinator Marquand Manuel, who did a solid job under the circumstances. Now the Falcons are healthier, Quinn is running the defense and it doesn’t look any better.

Here’s what CBS game analyst Adam Archuleta, an NFL safety for seven seasons, had to say about Quinn’s group as Tennessee closed out the victory:

"I just think when you look on the defensive side of the ball, they just need more play-makers and they need more players that can affect the game at different levels of their defense. They just haven't been able to make the plays on a consistent basis this year. To play this style of defense that Dan Quinn wants to play, you need game changers and you need difference-makers and I am not sure how many of those guys they have on the defensive side."

The Falcons have not reaped the potential benefits of a basic defensive scheme. They’ve suffered plenty from the drawbacks. It’s harder and harder for Quinn’s defensive approach to work in a pass-oriented league with rules designed to juice scoring. Even Seattle’s defense became average as the core players from those great teams departed.

https://www.ajc.com/blog/mike-check...n-working-for-falcons/VOTnaCgr8x1DhRZqZBFqHO/

This sounds like a great potential hiring.

The bold part I noted above. The game sometimes passes this guys by. We should be looking to bring in new blood at DC IMO, not re-tread that plays a system that might be antiquated in today's NFL.

 

[Aven8]

This move benefits Jaylon. Going back to three linebackers is big for him

Just seeing the name Jaylon these days makes me angry

 

[Denim Chicken]

Now the Earl Thomas speculation is starting again. *puke emoji*

 

[Hawkeye0202]

 

[DoctorChicken]

I really wouldn’t like this hire.

The Legion of Boom was a Gus Bradley and Carroll creation, not a Dan Quinn creation.

 

[Kolemmitt]

I’m far more worried about the talent on defense than hiring Quinn.


Quinn’s defense will be fine if they actually get some good players on defense.

This is the absolute truth.

 

[Qcard]

Surprise Old fart doesn't know how to use Technology..... Virtual interview is simple. Then we wonder why these Retreads can't connect with young players...

Hopefully they hire Quinn as DB coach or LB coach.

 

[Gaede]

If this is the case, Mikes choice at DC just a season ago didn’t turnout so well so what do you expect? Joe Whitt Jr is a huge gamble. He could be great, but what if he isn’t?

Getting Rob Ryan vibes from this potential hiring. A guy with a name that most fans will like, but one that is chosen by the GM not the HC.

I'm not opposed, for the record. But the dynamic in Dallas is obviously messed up, no matter who we hire.

 

[gimmesix]

Quinn’s scheme has been 25th or worse each of last 3 years in opposing QB rating for the Falcons. Being a HC does not absolve him when it’s been that bad 3 years in a row. 4 years ago it was 19th.

Teams have figured out the cover 3.

When he had some talent on his defense, his defenses have been pretty good (like with most coaches). The question is whether the Joneses will give him the talent.

I'm a believer that success in football is at least 80 percent about talent. There's a reason that we haven't had much success on the defensive side of the ball since Garrett took over as head coach. despite multiple coordinators, while the offense has flourished at times. If we don't fix the talent gap, I'm not sure it's going to matter who we bring in as DC.

Now, that being said, the defense should not have been as bad as it was this year. That's on Nolan for not adjusting ... and that's why he's not here anymore.

Will Quinn go the same way? I don't know. But I do know he had some top-notch defenses when he had the talent. So I don't believe it is about teams figuring out the cover-3 as much as it is who you have manning the cover-3. If we go into it with Brown starting at one corner spot and Thompson starting at one of the safety spots, then we're doomed to having another bad defensive year. If Dallas upgrades both of those spots to pair with Diggs and Wilson, I think we'll see quite a bit of improvement in the secondary no matter what scheme we run. If we go into next season with Woods and Gallimore as our starting DTs, we're also liable to struggle, but if we get an interior player who can collapse the pocket consistently, then we're liable to see quite a bit of improvement on defense. Few teams succeed without talent. Some coaches do more with less, though, covering up some weaknesses, but none can turn untalented players into talent.

 

[CoachD]

This is the same guy that coached the team that gave up a huge lead to the Cowboys not to mention a few other huge leads that were blown during the season, man I can't wait for him to be hired as the defensive coordinator?????

 

[Cowboyny]

Just seeing the name Jaylon these days makes me angry

I actually would move Jaylon to the string-side.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

This sounds like a great potential hiring.

The bold part I noted above. The game sometimes passes this guys by. We should be looking to bring in new blood at DC IMO, not re-tread that plays a system that might be antiquated in today's NFL.

That's been my exact stance....if the offenses are getting more innovative and faster....more passing oriented.....I would want a DC that's just as innovative. I won't put age on it because there are some older guys who are innovative and open to adapting....We really screwed up letting Eberflus leave the building......but I'm sure there are other guys like him around the league.......hell it may be a guy like him in-house but we wouldn't even know.

 

[Aven8]

Getting Rob Ryan vibes from thia potential hiring. A guy with a name that most fans will like, but one that is chosen by the GM not the HC.

I'm not opposed, for the record. But the dynamic in Dallas is obviously messed up, no matter who we hire.

Well Mike has a lot of experience going against Quinn at his time at GB. I remember playoff games etc. maybe he has a ton of respect for him?

Also, supposedly Mike and McClay were working hand and hand on this hire. McClay might be telling him it’s going to be way easier to fill needs for his scheme etc.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

This is the same guy that coached the team that gave up a huge lead to the Cowboys not to mention a few other huge leads that were blown during the season, man I can't wait for him to be hired as the defensive coordinator?????

In his defense....he won't be a head coach here. Falcons just found ways to lose it wasn't just the defense they were cursed. They literally couldn't do anything right.

 

[DasTex]

Food for thought:

That one play revealed some recurring problems with the Falcons defense as constructed by Quinn: gaping holes in the zone coverage, poor angles to pass-catchers and lack of speed in the secondary. The first two things on the list are related to Quinn’s defensive design and poor technique by his players. The lack of speed can be attributed to Quinn’s personnel preferences.

Quinn likes big and long cornerbacks who can play a physical technique. His safeties tend to be hitters more than runners. Those preferences show up with all the Falcons penalties for holding, pass interference and roughing. It also means the Falcons can struggle to run with wide receivers of even average speed (Brown ran 40 yards in 4.49 seconds at the draft combine).

Quinn coordinated an all-time great defense for the Seahawks in 2013 and a league-leading unit in 2014. There was a time it appeared he would successfully import that style as head coach for the Falcons. Quinn loaded the roster with draft prospects who fit his mold and had his guys on the come by the end of the Super Bowl season.

But the defense improved only marginally in 2017. Last year’s defensive struggles were attributed to injuries. I thought Quinn scapegoated coordinator Marquand Manuel, who did a solid job under the circumstances. Now the Falcons are healthier, Quinn is running the defense and it doesn’t look any better.

Here’s what CBS game analyst Adam Archuleta, an NFL safety for seven seasons, had to say about Quinn’s group as Tennessee closed out the victory:

"I just think when you look on the defensive side of the ball, they just need more play-makers and they need more players that can affect the game at different levels of their defense. They just haven't been able to make the plays on a consistent basis this year. To play this style of defense that Dan Quinn wants to play, you need game changers and you need difference-makers and I am not sure how many of those guys they have on the defensive side."

The Falcons have not reaped the potential benefits of a basic defensive scheme. They’ve suffered plenty from the drawbacks. It’s harder and harder for Quinn’s defensive approach to work in a pass-oriented league with rules designed to juice scoring. Even Seattle’s defense became average as the core players from those great teams departed.

https://www.ajc.com/blog/mike-check...n-working-for-falcons/VOTnaCgr8x1DhRZqZBFqHO/

Well that makes me feel all warm and tingly inside

 

[OmerV]

So is this guy any good? Is it one of those "great coordinator but not a good HC" situation? I know he took the Falcons to the SB but more recently he was the HC of a team that could never hold a lead and seemed like the defense gave up a lot of points

But he was also the DC of the Seattle defenses that led the NFL in 2013-2014, so it's possible what you said about "great coordinator but not a good HC" is accurate.

 

[Gaede]

Well Mike has a lot of experience going against Quinn at his time at GB. I remember playoff games etc. maybe he has a ton of respect for him?

Also, supposedly Mike and McClay were working hand and hand in this hire. McClay might be telling him it’s going to be way easier to fill needs for his scheme etc.

That's interesting re: McClay, didn't know that

 

[stilltheguru]

Smh. More cover 3 zone coming to a 3rd down near you.........of course without the Seahawks dline which is lowkey really what made that defense go.

 

[Denim Chicken]

I'd really like some more interviews.