What are the team's DL needs for next season

[quickccc]

And a 1T player is more suited for a 3-4 defense, which Dallas doesn't have the personnel for, at this point. Of course teams don't exclusively play a 4-3 or 3-4, etc. but we're talking about your primary defensive alignment...

They don't even call it a 1 tech in a 3-4 scheme.
And we've tried the 350 pounder with Dontario Poe, but the problem was he was never a factor and more so of a liability.
He's clearly on the downside of his career, and I don't expect any NFL team to sign him gain. and I had questioned if he was even a passionate high motor player.

yeh more and more 4-3 base teams are really using 5-2 nickel alignments more so. But besides our DTs vs run, we also have problems with our starting LBs.
LVE is oft- injured, and Jaylon lack instincts, coverage skills and can't swim thru blocking traffic.

 

[Cowboyny]

i've echoed this other places since his hiring. IMO i would bring back McCoy and have him man the 4T on the Strong side and move Dlaw to LEO rushing from a wide 9, Rotate Gregory/Smith (If Signed) with DLaw. then you need to sign or Draft a backup to McCoy, Crawford could have been in this 4T position but he might be retiring or CUT. we have been asking for a 1T/NT for years and now its not a WANT its a NEED so they need to get 1 new via FA OR Draft, preferably both. we have woods and some other SFA but they are not the 1T we need.

3T i think we are set with HILL and Galli on run and some passing downs. Then bring in Smith/Gregory/McCoy/??? on passing downs.

SLB is another thing we need to to Sign or Draft, Jaylon cannot run with RB and TE (cutting laterally due to his foot is not something he needs to be doing). LVE is your MLB. i think you let Jaylon play the WLB. Bernard or Gilford might be able to do the SLB, but i don't know their Pass rushing ability.

-So you don't think DLaw will man that 4T role in the base? Probably easy to fill in fa as it's just for a two down player.
-Probably going to need another interior pass rusher for the nickel, especially if Aldon doesn't return. Think a player like Crawford could fill both spots.

This is just a DL discussion, LB is a whole another topic.

 

[Cowboyny]

I thought the same about Smith until I read this quote from Jerry Jones at the conclusion of the season '....It's inspirational to see a man like Aldon Smith have the comeback here that he had," Jones said. "He played some outstanding football for us. He certainly was more positive than not, and I think he can take this year and build on it, and we want him to build on it to the benefit of the Cowboys."

Despite Tomsula leaving, perhaps he does come back after all

His return is probably up to Quinn to decide if he is a good fit for this defense.

 

[J-man]

Mods:
why were my posts deleted on this thread? I didn't create this thread in the fan zone.

 

[quickccc]

DEFENSIVE ENDS:

- Every since DLaw re-signed the big contract he’s struggled to put up double digit sack numbers, and he continues to struggle with lingering injuries.
While I admire his toughness to play thru injuries, and his solid play vs run, but you don’t shell out 100 million dollars for 4-6 sacks per season.
Leading reason why Cowboys distinctively wanted a 4-3 scheme guy was to better accommodate Dlaw, imo
I’d like to see Quinn use/move DLaw around that’s similar to Michael Bennett role from RE to DT in obvious pass downs to create mismatches

- Gregory is team’s most natural edge rusher and most versatile. He can operate both hands on the ground or standing up and he’s an underrated run stopper.
While he is very agile and athletic and can be explosive off snap, he’s still in somewhat of a developmental stage.
If he becomes a full time starter, he’d have to have an dependable rotational guy to help with relief snaps and lessen his wear-tear toll.
I tend to believe team wasn’t pleased with Gregory only getting 20% of the snaps at late stage of the season and that further led to Tomsula’s dismissal.

- Aldon Smith ? I don't want to commit big money and long term deal with him. How much was his disappearance for most of the year was due to hitting a physical wall quickly
from being out of football for 4 years,..or how much could have been from a lack of effort, a lack of motor ? He looked more lumbering than explosive.
Even average starting OTs had no issues blocking him.
Frankly i'm more for him leaving and getting a comp pick in return than having him start and slacking it for another long season.
But Kudos to Aldon for managing to stay clean/out of trouble.

- Armstrong is JAG. High Effort guy with low performance productivity. He’s not just an effective pass rusher and he was up-down as a run defender and it was ridiculous to have him
in man to man pass coverage. He did contributed to special teams and factor in a fumble strip recovery vs Niners
Cowboys were once so high on his potential but he just hasn’t stood out in the least since. Further more this is JAG that takes away snaps from rookie Bradley Anae

- Anae, I get the sense that coaches did not like his work on special teams, nor in pass rush packages, I think we’ll eventually find out what irk the coaches about Bradley that had him
virtually red shirted his entire rookie year. there’s something bizarre going on when a guy that has impressed at every level with his edge rush ability cannot even get on the field.
But this was a rookie that was clearly out performing Armstrong In training camp.

Dunno if this new coaching staff will be impressed with Rondell Carter as the last defensive coaching staff was,.. I wouldn’t be surprised if we drafted additional DEs in late rounds.
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DEFENSIVE TACKLES:
- Woods is a rotational type period, the more snaps he has to play, the more he wears down and he’s not a powerful agile enough guy to split double team blocks
and I’d still like competition vs him, he still has a year on his Restricted FA contract. I’d swear to be seeing Woods at the 3 tech, while Gallimore is lined up as the 1 tech.
Tomsula did some strange, puzzling moves among the DL.

- I’m liking what I have in Hill and Gallimore as 3 tech types, would not be surprised if both were in lineup at same time in obvious nickel rush packages- and one would rotate behind the other.
Both still in developing stages and need improvement vs the run.
Gerald McCoy who I believe physically is at an end, should never be starting ahead of either young guys, imo. He was damaged goods upon arrival per his quad clause in contract.

- How long have we’ve been sorely needing a quality thick body 1 tech inside guy ?
Stephen doesn’t want to invest/spend a considerable draft pick on one, nor pay high dollars to a quality vet.
He wants a bargain based vet or very late round project. But the 1 tech here continues to be an ever revolving door with scrub play results.

- The late round draft trade for Akou blew up in our faces, utter JAG. Ditto for Justin Hamlington. .. expect another run on JAG DTs this offseason or summer camp.

Note: Thank goodness Crawford stint “ should “ be finally coming to an end. Worthless 2020 campaign. Scary thought is what If team wants to return him on a 1 year deal ?

 

[speedkilz88]

Mods:
why were my posts deleted on this thread? I didn't create this thread in the fan zone.

You have two threads in the roster zone.

 

[J-man]

You have two threads in the roster zone.

What does that mean? I can't comment on other threads?

 

[speedkilz88]

What does that mean? I can't comment on other threads?

I don't know, I thought maybe they got moved there and that was what you were referring to.

 

[quickccc]

I thought the same about Smith until I read this quote from Jerry Jones at the conclusion of the season '....It's inspirational to see a man like Aldon Smith have the comeback here that he had," Jones said. "He played some outstanding football for us. He certainly was more positive than not, and I think he can take this year and build on it, and we want him to build on it to the benefit of the Cowboys."

Despite Tomsula leaving, perhaps he does come back after all

But that's typical Jerry.
He is gonna continue to be always the optimist and will " carefully" say all the positives or non hint rants about a player or coach in an effort to protect that person,.
or he is trying to his best effort to detour certain descriptions and distractions away from the team based on players or coaches.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

They don't even call it a 1 tech in a 3-4 scheme.

Right, a 3-4 has 0 tech, heads up over the center. Just saying any player could be put on the line, just off the center and he'd be at the 1T position. When teams have the defensive end drop into coverage, does the defensive end become a cornerback, e.g.? Of course not, he's still a DE in reality, he is just playing cornerback.

Obviously you aren't putting X. Woods there, he doesn't have the size and power to handle 325 lb guards or 300 lb centers, but if you use the terminology the way some here he'd be not a safety, but a "1Tech", which would make no sense....

 

[quickccc]

Right, a 3-4 has 0 tech, heads up over the center. Just saying any player could be put on the line, just off the center and he'd be at the 1T position. When teams have the defensive end drop into coverage, does the defensive end become a cornerback, e.g.? Of course not, he's still a DE in reality, he is just playing cornerback.

Obviously you aren't putting X. Woods there, he doesn't have the size and power to handle 325 lb guards or 300 lb centers, but if you use the terminology the way some here he'd be not a safety, but a "1Tech", which would make no sense....

Once that biggie heads over the center in a 3-4 scheme, i believe he becomes the NT (nose tackle).
Otherwise you hear 1 tech as a term referring for a run-stuff DT in a 4-3 scheme.

We see DEs occasionally dropping in coverage, and that's usually dropping in passing lanes and zones, ..but we don't see DEs trying to handle TEs in one on one man coverage from point A to B.
But our beloved DC Nolan even took the cake a step further when he actually our DTs dropping in coverage !

Any true legit OC should see that and take huge advantage of that mismatch every time out.
There's a means to go to, and not go to,.. when it comes to change up and mismatch creation.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Once that biggie heads over the center in a 3-4 scheme, i believe he becomes the NT (nose tackle).

Per Wiki "In the 3–4 defensive scheme the sole defensive tackle is referred to as the nose tackle.[2] The nose tackle aligns across the line of scrimmage from the offense's center before the play begins in the "0-technique" position."

Same thing, just depends if you want to use name terminology or number combined with name terminology...

 

[calicowboy54]

-So you don't think DLaw will man that 4T role in the base? Probably easy to fill in fa as it's just for a two down player.
-Probably going to need another interior pass rusher for the nickel, especially if Aldon doesn't return. Think a player like Crawford could fill both spots.

This is just a DL discussion, LB is a whole another topic.

honestly i don’t think dlaw can handle the constant double teams he would face at the 4t position. you really need more of a dt or big de for that position.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

honestly i don’t think dlaw can handle the constant double teams he would face at the 4t position. you really need more of a dt or big de for that position.

4T and DE line up very close to the same position, it's not like moving over a couple of feet is automatically mean he gets double teams, most guards are plenty mobile enough to pull out a little ways and get to the DE anyway.

And even if 4T is much farther over, once the ball is snapped the player can move to the outside and he's right back to the DE position...

 

[Ranched]

One "need"? Release Aldon Smith. He literally faded significantly down the stretch. No clue what his value on the open market will/would be.

 

[visionary]

If we keep up with the “mid tier” people you are talking about Quinn will be fired next year or the year after

we need real starters at the DL and I don’t see any except D Law. I don’t think D Law has the intestinal fortitude to play like a 3-4 DE so he’ll have to be the LEO

 

[Verdict]

Yeah, I’m talking about one of the highest rated ones. I’m just disagreeing with those who say 10 is too high for a DT. That’s bull****! It’s been killing us year after year. It’s past time to do something about it.

Sure, but if we draft a Taco type of player at #10 does that fix the problem? If the grade is there, I'm all for it, but if you draft a DT at #10 you want a Donald type of player, not soggy Taco. Donald has to be there to draft him, or you get Soggy Taco. (Yes I realize they play a different position).

 

[Verdict]

One "need"? Release Aldon Smith. He literally faded significantly down the stretch. No clue what his value on the open market will/would be.

We dont need to release him. Hes a FA.

 

[JayFord]

You need a dominant DT

no no no its a need not a plug anyone in there and lets see what they got

you need a Dexter Lawrence, Matt Ionnadis, Aaron Donald, Daron Payne up there in the middle

its not a luxury it is a certifiable need

 

[Mr_437]

DL Needs:
SDE
1Tech

Quinn needs to find a 4Tech because there isn't one on the roster, and Stephen's cheap idea of placing McCoy there is a typical loser move. I think Barmore would be soild for this position, plus he can line up at either DT on nickel.

New coach is gonna need two 1Techs. I like some draft available players in rounds 2-4, but signing a veteran to stabilize the position early would be ideal.

3 players needed in the trenches, and maybe 1 edge.