Whats this league coming to - Watson

[Hawkeye0202]

Not sure if he is worth a "boat load" of picks. He comes with a massive deal. You can't trade away picks and pay the large salary. You are paying twice that way. Just like we do when we pay picks for WRs then give them massive deals. The massive deal would be enough to get the WR on its own. The pick would get the WR on its own. Giving up both is madness.

Why not???? You're getting a player that makes your team an instant playoff contender. It's rare, very rare elite QBs are available for trade. Especially one w/o character or injuries concerns as the case with Watson. Take the Jets or Dolphins, for example, both teams have a ton of cap money and draft picks. Both have questions/concerns about their current young QB. Think they care about paying Watson knowing the immediate impact he brings to their team? Jets can offer the 2nd pick overall, Donald and probably 2022 1st. Dolphins can offer Tua and 2 1st rounders and I'm not sure that will be enough coz I can see as many as 4-5 teams in play.

 

[Rayman70]

That means players make soooooo much money now that they can afford to call their own shots. Watson has a contract that gives him a pretty big middle finger. Players used to make enough to live well but they still needed a job. Needing a job makes you accountable to your employer. Deshaun Watson has been paid 40M already and is guaranteed another 80M. So yeah, he doesn't have to answer to anyone b/c he doesn't have to work.

^bingo. They have become their own ceo. AND HEY, good for them...BUT they forgot the most important thing, THE FANS. ALIENATE the vast majority of fans, and you got no 'company" to be ceo of. DO YA?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Nope not at all. You think that I am wishing for the end. I am not. The NFL has been filled with prima donna's since the beginning of the game. What the younger generation of players have to deal with is access. The internet has brought the games closer to fans than it ever has. I have never liked the Michael Irvin. A lot of fans really don't know what he did when he wasn't playing because we didn't have access back then. However, today is a different story. These players actually do need to be careful because their "voice" is actually being heard. By everyone. Good and bad. The NFL is still a business and the players don't understand that. It's like trying to tell Dak that taking a little bit less money will get him so much more in endorsements because having the Star on his helmet gives him far more access than any other player. This is an example and I am not stating he really should take less money as I won't get into that completely because I am not at the table with all the facts. The NFL is still a cash cow and will be around for a long while still but Rome is starting to show cracks.

I think its just the times we are in......News stations and news outlets are thriving. That's the time we are living in right now. Sports just like a lot of other entertainment has taken a seat back to world issues.

In regards to Dak...I think he understand what he could do to get signed but he also looks at what other guys on this team have done and they have all got overpaid. Just his turn...or should he take the bullett when Lawrence, Zeke, Collins, Jaylon didn't do it? When Romo never did it?

 

[KeepinTime]

The Texans are a dumpster fire. The CEO sounds like a moron who inherited the team from his daddy. The guy essentially running things has no football background. Look at all the reports of no one wanting to be their head coach.

No one wants to work for a ****** company with terrible bosses and a terrible future. Can't blame Watson one bit. Even 90% of Texan fans are on his side.

So it’s a lot like the Cowboys.

 

[MyFairLady]

Why not???? You're getting a player that makes your team an instant playoff contender. It's rare, very rare elite QBs are available for trade. Especially one w/o character or injuries concerns as the case with Watson. Take the Jets or Dolphins, for example, both teams have a ton of cap money and draft picks. Both have questions/concerns about their current young QB. Think they care about paying Watson knowing the immediate impact he brings to their team? Jets can offer the 2nd pick overall, Donald and probably 2022 1st. Dolphins can offer Tua and 2 1st rounders and I'm not sure that will be enough coz I can see as many as 4-5 teams in play.

Remind me again how the Texans did last year.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yea, man, that was a total head scratcher. Hopkins is an incredible talent and Watson must of taken that like an unexpected gut punch from Iron Mike.

Jerry is the exact opposite from Houston Ownership. He is his players biggest fan. Unfortunately, that doesn't work either.

Yeah I guess there's some medium there but I don't think Jerry will ever change in that regard. I've never heard a ex-player say anything bad about him. Which is odd because around here I think most of us believe Jerry is running things...yet people will take it out on Stephen, Garrett, etc.....Jerry's loyal to a fault for sure...a great guy to work for though....just not sure if its a winning formula.

 

[atlantacowboy]

^bingo. They have become their own ceo. AND HEY, good for them...BUT they forgot the most important thing, THE FANS. ALIENATE the vast majority of fans, and you got no 'company" to be ceo of. DO YA?

I wish these guys cared about the game, but they don't. Most could care less what happens to the next generation of players. The fact they are still getting huge contracts in spite of empty stadiums and lower TV ratings just reinforces their belief that they aren't accountable to anyone.

 

[ghosttown cowboy]

Didn't JJ pay Zeke a ton of money after he held out with two years left on his contract, and after Zeke's off the field problems. This is why players feel embolden to hold the organization hostage...Owners let them...

 

[Bigdog]

Houston would need a young stud quarterback in any trade for Watson or a high draft pick to get that stud quarterback. Washington and Watson is highly unlikely.

Agree. I have seen people reporting high skilled players like Chase Young and picks like 3 first round picks. No one will do that I believe.

 

[tyke1doe]

Players being upset and wanting to be traded is nothing new.

What makes this one interesting is that it's a franchise QB, in a new deal and we know the reason(s) for why he's upset.

Teams can cut contracts or trade players at any time and no one bats an eye. But when a player wants out of a team, he's a bad guy or entitled.
Watson had to deal with BoB for years, trading away talent, unable to build a team around him. He talks to the owner who promises him something then backs out of it. While a player doesn't have anything in his contract to make demands about a GM, it's also sort of bad business for the owner to say something to his star player and then throw it away.

Watson really hasn't gone public about wanting to be moved or gone on twitter rants. Right now it' mainly, "sources tell me" type of articles.

I say if the players are putting their bodies on the line, and the owners are reaping the money in their cushy stadium boxes, why shouldn't the players ask for more money. It's not like the owners don't have the money.

Have you seen these players after their careers have ended? I've interviewed John Niland, Rosie Grier and other lesser known NFL players. These guys can barely walk. It's almost painful to watch.

I just think the fans are used to the "old system" and don't want their entertainment to be spoiled.

But times are always changing. Think of this as another change in how things are done in sports.

Football will survive.

 

[Rayman70]

I wish these guys cared about the game, but they don't. Most could care less what happens to the next generation of players. The fact they are still getting huge contracts in spite of empty stadiums and lower TV ratings just reinforces their belief that they aren't accountable to anyone.

well said. Yup..its a new breed of player. More concerned about social issues and speaking venues, social media and merch, rather than the job at hand, which is pleasing the fans that pay there way. We are clearly secondary to them. SADLY, winning is only a happenstance these days.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Didn't JJ pay Zeke a ton of money after he held out with two years left on his contract, and after Zeke's off the field problems. This is why players feel embolden to hold the organization hostage...Owners let them...

Yep, but DLAW is the one who started the precedent of being rewarded for holding the team hostage. Zeke saw the success of DLAW's strategy and knew Jerry could be pushed over. So why not holdout?

 

[Rayman70]

I say if the players are putting their bodies on the line, and the owners are reaping the money in their cushy stadium boxes, why shouldn't the players ask for more money. It's not like the owners don't have the money.

Have you seen these players after their careers have ended? I've interviewed John Niland, Rosie Grier and other lesser known NFL players. These guys can barely walk. It's almost painful to watch.

I just think the fans are used to the "old system" and don't want their entertainment to be spoiled.

But times are always changing. Think of this as another change in how things are done in sports.

Football will survive.

I want them to get all they can get. Its free market. BUT I think like a rookie cap, we should have a tiered system vet cap too. I dont think we would have these nasty public situations like with Watson. HE CLEARLY gave up on the team.

 

[Rayman70]

IMO, the NFL has created a monster...a culture problem. Its like enabling a spoiled brat that wants a toy or a piece of candy..you appease them by getting them whatever they want. SAME DEAL.

 

[Tio]

I don't know, I listen to some of these situations play out and I just don't get it. I know they are not an organization that is ran well but where does any player regardless of how great or good they might be get to pull this off.
I heard Randy Moss the other day and quote " The days of just shut up and play are over" what the hell does that mean?
You are an employee of a business, you have a union, you have a job to do, you have been there X amount of years and just signed a monster contract.
Becaus you have a union certain rules were put in place one of them being after a certain amount of years your a FA free to sign with whatever team you want for whatever dollar amount you want.
I don't know much about Watson except he is a talented guy but I don't care who it is, these guys need to play out contracts and not have the power to hold a team hostage.
Just mark my words, he forces a trade it will change the thoughts of players every time they are not happy. Since when in any business does an employee get to have a say in who is hired or interviewed. Even if they told him that , it shows that they are incompetent and not trust worthy but you neeed to soldier on and play your new contract.
The kids coming in today are very entitled this isn't the way the world works.
Personally I would not trade him, not pay him and just let him sit. I believe their is a clause in the new CBA where players do not get paid when they sit out while on a contract.
I know it would hurt the team but sometimes a little balls goes a long way in sending a message.
He also has other teammates and a city and fan base that he is playing for and that are depending on him.
Feel bad that he is in that situation but after just signing that contract he had the right to wait the contract out. Now that you not only signed it but you have a no trade clause in it. Man up, honor it and yeah Randy "just shut up and play".
Many great players had careers wasted by being in **** organizations, there are only a few solid ones. God only knows we don't have to look far. So on this topic go ahead and fire back, Im not one to start controversial posts but Im hanging on by a thread with this league and the more I see the more turned off I am in watching and supporting these players.

If the dynamics of power are shifting towards the players, that is the way the world works.

It may not be the world used to work, but things change my friend.

 

[Rayman70]

THE HORSE has left the barn years ago. Can't put the toothe paste back in the tube. But what the league can do is create a vet tiered pay system based on years in the league and position. I think they could have avoided these issues if they were more prudent like 10 years ago and did this. Gonna be really hard to fix it now. Its run ammuck.

 

[atlantacowboy]

well said. Yup..its a new breed of player. More concerned about social issues and speaking venues, social media and merch, rather than the job at hand, which is pleasing the fans that pay there way. We are clearly secondary to them. SADLY, winning is only a happenstance these days.

Funny thing is that in 40 years of watching the NFL, I've never once tuned in to learn a players opinion on.........anything. So, I pretty much root for the uniform and the nostalgia of my youth at this point.

I had the opportunity as a young man to work in the academic study hall of a large division 1 university as a way to pay for college. It was all basketball and football players. I wasn't helping them with physics or chemistry. It was more like 4th grade level math and remedial reading. So yeah, I'm not super interested in what they have to say about anything beyond football.

 

[CATCH17]

Just don’t sign Sak.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

The other side OP is missing or not seeing ........it's interesting he seeing Watson as an entitled player on a power trip. Maybe the kid wanna win and he doesn't trust the franchise ( with good reasons ). Think about it, HE'S ALREADY getting paid. What would say if he had the I don't care who they attitude. In fact, they can hire 'you', why should I care, I'M GETTING PAID, careless who it is. It's interesting how fans fail to understand other than being professional athletes, they are normal people who care about the same things we care about. JJ Watts has all but said he wanted no part of rebuilding......hints, the franchise sucks. I'm not saying the NFL doesn't have selfish/entitled players but Watson isn't one of them IMO.

 

[baltcowboy]

Agree. I have seen people reporting high skilled players like Chase Young and picks like 3 first round picks. No one will do that I believe.

The Jets, Dolphins, and Falcons are the only teams that can get him. They have a high enough pick that the Texans can grab at least the third best quarterback in the draft. I don’t think they trade Watson. He just signed an extension and it would rip apart their salary cap.