Dak beat GB in post-season, Dallas’s defense lost it

[gjkoeppen]

QBs need to be able to play a full game. Dak hasn't proven to do that yet. Don't let a lot of second half prevent defenses persuade you.

But the point is that Prescott drove the Cowboys down for a field goal to take the lead and the defense in the last 35 seconds of the game let the packers drive from their own 25 yard line all the way to the Cowboys 33 yard line to get the winning field goal. The defense couldn't hold them for 35 seconds and they had no time outs.
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[CowboysFaninHouston]

Funny thing is, this thread actually points out why we can't pay Dak huge money. We need a D to win in the playoffs, and that's w/ any QB!!!

what does paying Dak has to do with building a defense. please elaborate...are you suggesting we should build a defense through FA? who did that? when was the last time that worked out?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The Seahawks would have molested romo in the nfc championship game though

we will never know. will we?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

So continue to kick money down the road on older players to make cap room now? That approach has failed Dallas repeatedly. As for "a little extra money means nothing in the long run".....Dak would count at least $25-$30M against the cap depending on a new contract structure whereas a rookie QB taken in the #6-#10 range of the 1st round would count about $5M against the cap.....so that extra $20-$30M would go a long way to improving the team.

which Rookie QB potato man? tell us which Rookie QB and we will mark your response and get back to you in three year. or as Parcells said, is there a 1-800-NEED-QB line we should call? or are you tying your fortune to a Andy Dalton Anvil and jumping in the deep end?

lets just assume for the sake of argument, you hit on the rookie QB (20% chance) and he develops and we have to now pay him $50M a year to be/stay competitive. are you going to bulk again?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

We can actually pay Dak.

But in order to build the defense we may not be able to surround Dak offensively with as many weapons. Which if Dak is the top 10 or Elite QB many claim we should be ok as Dak elevates those around him.

The fans arguing against paying Dak don’t feel he has that ability to elevate those around him. And needing all of the supporting cast on offense aren’t able to invest on defense.

how do you build a defense? and I am all for not paying as many offensive people. I love Martin, but do we really need to have the highest paid RG on the team? could a cheaper version do? has any team won a superbowl in the past 15 years because they had the best dang RG on their team?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

But the point is that Prescott drove the Cowboys down for a field goal to take the lead and the defense in the last 35 seconds of the game let the packers drive from their own 25 yard line all the way to the Cowboys 33 yard line to get the winning field goal. The defense couldn't hold them for 35 seconds and they had no time outs.
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in the process, they had several chances to stop them and gave up two huge plays....a 25 yard completion to put them in position...at least make them work for it and not easily give up....

and that was a rookie QB, losing to an Elite QB...yet everyone complains....they wanted the rookie to be better than a future HOF QB and they complain why he wasn't.

 

[gjkoeppen]

what does paying Dak has to do with building a defense. please elaborate...are you suggesting we should build a defense through FA? who did that? when was the last time that worked out?

I can tell you when it didn't. In 1999 washington had a really bad defense so in the off season washington went out and signed every big name free agent they could like Bruce Smith and Danna Subblefield and Dan Wilkinson and after the season that defense moved up exactly 2 places from the year before.
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[Aviano90]

But the point is that Prescott drove the Cowboys down for a field goal to take the lead and the defense in the last 35 seconds of the game let the packers drive from their own 25 yard line all the way to the Cowboys 33 yard line to get the winning field goal. The defense couldn't hold them for 35 seconds and they had no time outs.
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You have misremembered. We didn't take the lead, we tied the game. The Packers also had 2 timeouts.

 

[gjkoeppen]

You have misremembered. We didn't take the lead, we tied the game. The Packers also had 2 timeouts.

Actually that is right we did tie the game, but the defense let them kick a field goal in 35 seconds. I'll bet you're really proud of that defense.
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[Aviano90]

Actually that is right we did tie the game, but the defense let them kick a field goal in 35 seconds. I'll bet you're really proud of that defense.
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I bet you're proud of this year's defense. You thought we could win a SB with it.

 

[Zekeats]

But the point is that Prescott drove the Cowboys down for a field goal to take the lead and the defense in the last 35 seconds of the game let the packers drive from their own 25 yard line all the way to the Cowboys 33 yard line to get the winning field goal. The defense couldn't hold them for 35 seconds and they had no time outs.
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I wish that where the case. The New England game was the worst. Defense got him the ball back 3 time’s in the 4th and Dak couldn’t even get a first down. I never felt that way as a fan ever, like it was impossible for our team to move the ball a little to compete.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

All I have to say is if Dak had a consistent top 10 defense in his first 4 years he would have made it to the NFC championship game each year minimum.

The front office has wasted 4 years down the drain, pathetic.

Revisionism.
Give Dak every excuse that great QBs don't need.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Step #1 in Dak Love Recovery: Admit that you have a problem

Winning cures all. Dak just needs to win.

 

[gjkoeppen]

I bet you're proud of this year's defense. You thought we could win a SB with it.

Stop putting word in my mouth, that's what little kids do. At no time in any thread have I said that this years defense was good and could win a Super Bowl. What I've said though is if the Cowboys got to the playoffs no matter how slim the chances of them winning the Super Bowl there is still a very slim chance that they do. Bad try, don't bother trying again because I'll just ignore it.
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[Aviano90]

Stop putting word in my mouth, that's what little kids do. At no time in any thread have I said that this years defense was good and could win a Super Bowl. What I've said though is if the Cowboys got to the playoffs no matter how slim the chances of them winning the Super Bowl there is still a very slim chance that they do. Bad try, don't bother trying again because I'll just ignore it.
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You're the sucker at the poker table, aren't you? Never lay down pre-flop because there is a slim chance that 7-2 off suit is going to hit.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I can tell you when it didn't. In 1999 washington had a really bad defense so in the off season washington went out and signed every big name free agent they could like Bruce Smith and Danna Subblefield and Dan Wilkinson and after the season that defense moved up exactly 2 places from the year before.
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that was my point, that no one has ever successfully build an offense or defense through FA. you can sign a key FA here or there, but mostly FAs that hit the market are head cases, over rated, older, injured and they want one last pay check....Clowney is a great example. he was asking for 20M/year and when he didn't get a byte, he settled for 16M...was he worth it!!!!

and when I ask these people about how much money they expect to save not signing Dak, what their plans are at QB and who they planning to sign and how much will that cost and how much better the team will be with that FA, I get total silence. they just have a line they all run with, how can we build a defense if we pay Dak and no QB ever won at 15% of salary cap (forgetting the cap goes up every year and that percentage drops, so no QB with a large contract ever won in his first contract year is the qualifier here)....

these people have no plan. they just want to complain. they just don't like the numbers. that's it.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You have misremembered. We didn't take the lead, we tied the game. The Packers also had 2 timeouts.

and the defense still gave up two big plays, one of them a 35 yard completion. I mean seriously....how can you give up a big play like that and not keep the play in front of you forcing them to use a timeout.....

 

[Aviano90]

and the defense still gave up two big plays, one of them a 35 yard completion. I mean seriously....how can you give up a big play like that and not keep the play in front of you forcing them to use a timeout.....

Oh, I'm not defending the defense. It was embarrassing that day.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I wish that where the case. The New England game was the worst. Defense got him the ball back 3 time’s in the 4th and Dak couldn’t even get a first down. I never felt that way as a fan ever, like it was impossible for our team to move the ball a little to compete.

so Dak and Garrett and Moore couldn't devise a plan to beat a Bilicheck team and defense, in New England....wow, I wonder if anybody else ever failed at that in new england against the patriots. I bet the list is very short (sarcasm fully intended).....let not forget the bogus call against the offense on that last drive.

 

[khiladi]

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your expectations that the offense should score every time they have the ball? if they don't its then garbage?

so I spin that around. how many times did the defnese didn't make a stop and give the ball back to the offense. they just allowed the rams to RUSH their way into TDs possession after possession.

btw, Dallas was down 20-7 in the first half. two rushing TDs by anderson and Gurley. Gurley's TD was actually a 35 yard run.

23-15 by end of third quarter. within one score. defense had already given up over 200 yards rushing....then another RUSHING TD in 4th quarter.....score is now 30-15.....

2:11 to go in the game, Dallas scores again. 30-22..we just need the ball back one more time....perhaps the defense can muster up one last stop for once in this game

defense knowing they are going to run run run to kill the clock. couldn't make a stop. they gave up 25 yards...

coem on dude, you have no clue. just come out and admit it.

No, my expectation is that Dak stans will cry about how it's everybody's else's fault but the glorious Dak, who kept giving the ball right back to the opposing offense when our drives relied on his 'magical arm' that only 'performs' when in garbage time.

My expectation is Dak-stans will hype up yardage against our "bend-dont-break" defense that held the Rams to two field goals, despite all this rushing, while Dak kept floundering around giving the ball right back to the Rams, not chewing up any clock, and allowig our bend-don't-break defense, which we all know is the philosophy, to wear down over time..

Every time with Dak it's "if we just could get it one more time", meaning after the opposing defense goes soft, burns out the clocks, lets Dak pile up meaningless yardage only to lose, over and over and over again, like he did against the Rams, Jets, Bills, Bears, Seattle, Cleveland, unless your Atlanta, ad you decide to not even fall on an onside kick.