Are WRs Chase and Dovanta considered better than Lamb?

[Croomraider]

My guess is all of the teams that need wideouts could surprise us and go OLine. Darrisaw and Slater could be gone before 10.
Same could be said about Surtain and Farley. If either of these scenarios happen, then expect cowboys to take one of these wideouts.
If Chase and/or Smith are available at 10, you just can't pass on them.

I also think the Smith size is not a problem. The league cracking down on secondary hitting defenseless receivers really opened a door
for the less physical guys. I know Smith did leave the National Championship game, so it's a fair concern, but he also had 200 plus yards already and was all over the field making plays. They knew Smith was going to be a top ten pick so probably took him out for his NFL future.

 

[quickccc]

Truth be frank I haven’t seen the best of Lamb for what he was advertised to be.

Coming out of OU, he was supposed to be a spectacular open field runner. Not a good but spectacular.
In the role we had him in per receiver or returner, I’ve yet to see that.
As a returner I thought he was average in that area.

Maybe a year more adjusted, he becomes a much more deadly returner.
Otherwise I’d prefer we seek a more effective, more explosive punt returner.

I've seen more of Chase than I have D. Smith, and the highlight of Chase's career is embarrassing our own CB Trevor Diggs.

 

[quickccc]

My guess is all of the teams that need wideouts could surprise us and go OLine. Darrisaw and Slater could be gone before 10.
Same could be said about Surtain and Farley. If either of these scenarios happen, then expect cowboys to take one of these wideouts.
If Chase and/or Smith are available at 10, you just can't pass on them.

I also think the Smith size is not a problem. The league cracking down on secondary hitting defenseless receivers really opened a door
for the less physical guys. I know Smith did leave the National Championship game, so it's a fair concern, but he also had 200 plus yards already and was all over the field making plays. They knew Smith was going to be a top ten pick so probably took him out for his NFL future.

i'm gonna wait until the Pro Day Workouts are here. .. if Dovante runs a 4.65 at his workout, then the usual skeptical scouts will back off romancing him and we could
see Smith's stock drop and he does the Lamb trend with surprisingly dropping in the first round.

It happens with scouts and draft duru's all the time. Every single year.
They become so infatuated and in love with pure workout numbers that they flat forget what a player as done and performed on the actual playing field.

 

[J-man]

That seems like you're letting your fear of philthydumpia getting their idea player in the draft totally dictate the way you want to draft. Picking a CB for the sake of fear of a Chase or Smith.
What if the Cowboys are infatuated and have the OT Slater or the LB Collins that high on their draft board over Surtain, Farley ? Do they jump pass the much better rated players on the board for the sake of need ?

Let Fhilly alter and direct their draft in fear of us …
i.e. supposedly Filly Fility chose RB bust Donnel Pumphrey because they suspected he was a must-have for Cowboys ?
- Supposedly Filly draft TE Dallas Goebert because they suspected Cowboys coveted him …
- and again Filly suspected that Cowboys would snag Lamb and tried to make a trade with ATL to get ahead of us to pick Lamb. Deal failed through- and thus we ended up with Lamb.

Yeah after I wrote that I knew I shouldn't have. Not that I' don't think the pick should be CB at 10 though. But I would never draft in response to how other teams do.
However, if both players are considered 1st rd, day 1 starters at their positions, unless a guy is that much higher on your board as the next guy (Lamb was last year), you tend to take the need over talent. Again, only in moderate amounts of grading. If Slater is graded 1:3 and Surtain is 1:7 you take the need over grade. But if Slater is graded 1:3 and Surtain is 1:16 you take grade.

ps. I love seeing the igglets trying to compensate for us!

 

[ESisback]

I’ll give my answer to the question before I read any replies, to see how accurate I am. OF COURSE they’re considered better, especially by most “experts”, Cowboy Eeyores and Dallashaters. We already have Lamb, which of course makes him more “flawed”.

Me? Not sure. Gotta see them all play at the NFL level for a year or two, THEN consider their surroundings.

 

[tyke1doe]

I really can't say who is better, and, really, it's not up to them.
It depends on who you have as a quarterback and your offense scheme.
Does anyone think Jerry Rice is Jerry Rice if he gets drafted by the Cowboys, the Bears, the Browns?
Rice had Montana and Young throwing to him.

For Lamb, Smith and Chase, it will all depend on what scheme they fall into and which quarterback is throwing them the ball.

Having said that, I'm satisfied with Lamb. It usually takes a receiver a year to get adjusted to the NFL. Both Jefferson and Lamb will be lights out next year, if their respective quarterbacks get them the ball. If Chase gets drafted by the Lions, he'll fade into obscurity.

 

[Kolemmitt]

To me, the more interesting question is if Smith or Chase is better than Gallup and if so, if one were to fall to #10, do we take him, have him on a cheap rookie deal for five years, and trade Gallup, hopefully for a good defensive starter.

 

[CouchCoach]

To me, the more interesting question is if Smith or Chase is better than Gallup and if so, if one were to fall to #10, do we take him, have him on a cheap rookie deal for five years, and trade Gallup, hopefully for a good defensive starter.

I don't think either will be there but if they were picking for the offensive power, Pitts would be that pick. For the offense, the best LT left.

 

[quickccc]

I really can't say who is better, and, really, it's not up to them.
It depends on who you have as a quarterback and your offense scheme.
Does anyone think Jerry Rice is Jerry Rice if he gets drafted by the Cowboys, the Bears, the Browns?
Rice had Montana and Young throwing to him.

For Lamb, Smith and Chase, it will all depend on what scheme they fall into and which quarterback is throwing them the ball.

Having said that, I'm satisfied with Lamb. It usually takes a receiver a year to get adjusted to the NFL. Both Jefferson and Lamb will be lights out next year, if their respective quarterbacks get them the ball. If Chase gets drafted by the Lions, he'll fade into obscurity.

yeh , but Rice was still performing at such a high level even when he had the likes of Elvis Grbac.
Still in remembering of what Rice did to us in our own stadium when we oddly had LB Darrin Smith (instead of Deion Sander) trying defending Rice in the slot … Ouuch !!

 

[tyke1doe]

yeh , but Rice was still performing at such a high level even when he had the likes of Elvis Grbac.

Because he was ALREADY a developed pro. What he turned out to be is a product of who he had throwing to him initially and what system he played in.

Still in remembering of what Rice did to us in our own stadium when we oddly had LB Darrin Smith (instead of Deion Sander) trying defending Rice in the slot … Ouuch !!

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Something I keep thinking back on concerning Chase.

I remember before the draft last year when people were talking about which CB they liked coming out and how some of those CBs have people thinking they were not very good and a few always pointed to how bad they did vs Chase when playing LSU when LSU was killing it that year.

Turns out some of those CBs were pretty good and Chase made them look bad when he played them. It's fair to say that LSU was loaded with Chase Burrow and Jefferson but still it was Chase that seemed to beat those CBs.

That says a good deal to me.

I think he is going to be a good NFL WR. As good as Jefferson has been his rookie year and when he Played he was not the top WR because chase was.

I hate the idea of the eagles possibly getting him.

 

[Croomraider]

I hate the idea of the eagles possibly getting him.

I think Chase is going to be really really good in the NFL and I hope the Eagles and Giants
don't get either Chase/Smith.

 

[visionary]

I really can't say who is better, and, really, it's not up to them.
It depends on who you have as a quarterback and your offense scheme.
Does anyone think Jerry Rice is Jerry Rice if he gets drafted by the Cowboys, the Bears, the Browns?
Rice had Montana and Young throwing to him.

For Lamb, Smith and Chase, it will all depend on what scheme they fall into and which quarterback is throwing them the ball.

Having said that, I'm satisfied with Lamb. It usually takes a receiver a year to get adjusted to the NFL. Both Jefferson and Lamb will be lights out next year, if their respective quarterbacks get them the ball. If Chase gets drafted by the Lions, he'll fade into obscurity.

So you’re saying Lamb has no shot?

 

[tyke1doe]

So you’re saying Lamb has no shot?

 

[Doomsday101]

I guess we will find out once they get a chance at playing in the NFL. Lamb already has

 

[unionjack8]

I'm gonna get ripped for this bit I'm not a massive fam of Devonta Smith. He's small, no problem, so are other wr but he just doesn't have blazing speed to make up for it

Chase is the best WR in this class and I have waddle second.

I Thibk lamb is on the waddle level

 

[cnuball21]

You will not get a real assessment until they suit up but the fact you're asking about a Cowboy. you are going to get some homer call in that. He's better cuz he's ours.

Lamb is a good WR but nothing like he was at OU because he's playing better tackling secondary's and it was RAC that put him in the 1st round. He is good, he is not great. He is Hollywood Brown, the WR he replaced at OU. And you watch OU again this season, they will have a new Brown/Lamb in that role, they get the weapons.

Chase hasn't played enough to gauge but when he did, he was as impressive as any college WR I ever saw. He was virtually uncoverable at the college level and he played in a better conference for defense.

Smith is the most interesting WR to come out in years. At his size, can he last in the NFL? Can he make it look as easy as he did in college? Is he the second coming of Marvin Harrison, the other WR to cause viewers to ask "how in the hell is he open"?

With Smith, the size thing gets over emphasized as does the speed because until he got passed, Steve Largent held the WR records.

I think the key is who is going to be throwing to Chase and Smith? Are they going to have to be the WR1 or get the opportunity Lamb did as the #2 and 3? Lamb came into an excellent situation for a rookie WR and was allowed to be the icing until he has to be the cake.

No offense, but I think this is an incredibly narrow evaluation of how great Lamb was as a prospect.

- Elite length / catch radius
- Ability to work short / middle / long areas of field
- Tough and physical (as indicated by his slot production)
- Ability to lineup anywhere across the field
- Ball skills (albeit some bad drops this year)
- + quickness / feet for his size
- + YAC

The knock on him was he played in a spaced out offense and didn't have to beat press as much. Outside of that he had a TON of +s and was a clear cut 1st rounder for me. Way, way better of a prospect than Brown was.

 

[cnuball21]

I'm gonna get ripped for this bit I'm not a massive fam of Devonta Smith. He's small, no problem, so are other wr but he just doesn't have blazing speed to make up for it

Chase is the best WR in this class and I have waddle second.

I Thibk lamb is on the waddle level

You shouldn't...it's a legit concern. I love Smith, and he's one of the most decorated WR's in CFB history. But there's a very short list of undersized WRs who've lived up to being top 20 selections.

Too early to take the outlier and hope he hits IMO.

 

[baltcowboy]

I'm gonna get ripped for this bit I'm not a massive fam of Devonta Smith. He's small, no problem, so are other wr but he just doesn't have blazing speed to make up for it

Chase is the best WR in this class and I have waddle second.

I Thibk lamb is on the waddle level

Your not alone. Bucky Brooks has him in the teens in round one in one of his mocks. I think he is good but you need a creative offensive coordinator. I would not mind seeing him as a Giant with Jason Garrett.

 

[Chuck 54]

We took Lamb at a point of value. I would never have taken him at #10. He will be an excellent receiver for us, but I want my guy to be faster than 4.51 (combine) to be taken at the top of the draft.