What will Iggles get for Wentz

[CouchCoach]

I heard several things on a Philly radio station driving home from work. One of which can't go in the forum.

1. What post 179 pointed to. The Colts offered two 2nd round picks.

2. According to someone that is supposedly in the know, he said look for a QB trade sometime today. One guy asked, is it Russel Wilson? He said no, but wouldn't say who he thought it was. But he said it was about money.

Jaworski is reporting it's 2 2nds and a 3rd or 4th down the road. I am not sure what that means unless IND has 2 2nds in this draft to offer.

If you're Roseman, you got the message. No other GM values your QB enough to give up their 1st and unless they're going for a QB or WR, this isn't a great draft and QB is arguable. He thought they'd get close to the Stafford deal. Does any GM think Wentz is close to Stafford in talent?

I must say I am surprised because I didn't think the NFL GM's, as a whole, were all that smart. New respect.

 

[Sydla]

Two seconds seems rich but not overly crazy, especially if that team is Indy with Reich who knows Wentz and thinks he could fix him.

 

[HungryLion]

Two seconds seems rich but not overly crazy, especially if that team is Indy with Reich who knows Wentz and thinks he could fix him.

2 2’s is reasonable I think.

The chances of being able to rehabilitate Wentz and get him developing in the right direction, are probably higher than the odds of drafting a good QB in the second round.


So from a pure risk/reward factor. It’s a trade that would make sense I think.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Never even talked about character. Talked about similar situations. Can’t help it if you can’t keep up with a conversation.

I can't help it if you can;'t see that when comparing two QB's that character is part of that comparison. You don't get to decide what areas of playing the QB position gets to be compared and which ones can't be compared.
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[gjkoeppen]

It's hard to tell since it is Detroit. I think that last year Barry Sanders played for the Lions soured him on the game and team. I believe it was the cause of his early retirement.

And if you remember Sanders took a lot of flack when he originally retired.
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[CouchCoach]

And if you remember Sanders took a lot of flack when he originally retired.
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Sure did with many questioning his heart because he was so close to the record.

I read an interesting article about how many NFL players really have to pump themselves up to play and if the money wasn't so big, many would just walk away. Many of these guys have been playing the game for 10-12 years when they get to play if for money and the injuries begin piling up.

I think that opening scene of "North Dallas Forty" is closer to truth than fiction. I always wondered about players like Bill Nelson, CLE QB, who had 16 knee operations and EJ Holub, KC, who had 13 until he had both replaced and was so bowlegged he walked side to side.

Lilly told me that he didn't dread the season, he dreaded camp because it was grueling by design. Those guys came out of camp, the season looked easier. Camp now is more like camp.

What is interesting about the NFL is that as the money has gotten the bigger, the work has gotten easier. These guys don't hit at camp or practice like they used to do and it shows.

 

[Flamma]

And if you remember Sanders took a lot of flack when he originally retired.
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Yes I do. Just like Andrew Luck. Something I could never understand. The guy wants out. Doesn't want to play anymore. I can understand being shocked or surprised. But to show anger and to criticize someone for retiring is borderline mentally handicapped. I say that because the "R" word in not allowed. Worry about your own retirement.

 

[HungryLion]

Yes I do. Just like Andrew Luck. Something I could never understand. The guy wants out. Doesn't want to play anymore. I can understand being shocked or surprised. But to show anger and to criticize someone for retiring is borderline mentally handicapped. I say that because the "R" word in not allowed. Worry about your own retirement.

Especially a guy like Sanders or Luck.

Sanders gave everything to the Lions. Their best player ever. He did everything he could to try and win but they never gave him a team that could. Not his fault.

Luck..... the dude got mauled physically. Can’t blame the guy for retiring while he can still walk and has his health.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Yes I do. Just like Andrew Luck. Something I could never understand. The guy wants out. Doesn't want to play anymore. I can understand being shocked or surprised. But to show anger and to criticize someone for retiring is borderline mentally handicapped. I say that because the "R" word in not allowed. Worry about your own retirement.

Neither Sanders or Luck have anything to do with the comparison between Romo and Stafford and the character of both or the lack there of for Stafford. Stafford was hearing that the lions were starting to question Stafford so he asked to be traded and the lions quickly agreed to do it. That didn't happen with Romo. While Romo was QB he led the Cowboys to the most 4th quarter comebacks than any other QB in the league at the time, meaning the team had confidence in him. Stafford didn't have that kind of belief by his team mates or team that he would pull games out.
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[Bigdog]

No, I got that, I don't get offering that much for Wentz. Does he have an out in his contract after a year or two?

Oh ok

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Jaworski is reporting it's 2 2nds and a 3rd or 4th down the road. I am not sure what that means unless IND has 2 2nds in this draft to offer.

If you're Roseman, you got the message. No other GM values your QB enough to give up their 1st and unless they're going for a QB or WR, this isn't a great draft and QB is arguable. He thought they'd get close to the Stafford deal. Does any GM think Wentz is close to Stafford in talent?

I must say I am surprised because I didn't think the NFL GM's, as a whole, were all that smart. New respect.

I think it's apples and oranges here. I don't necessarily think this is about value of one QB in comparison to another, I think this is more about the situation each team is in. Houston has a big number associated with Watson but they are not really wanting to get rid of him. They are being pressured to do so by Watson but they can afford to just sit and wait it out if they decided to because that's where they are. With Philly, they pretty much have to cut cap. There situation is different, I think. Teams around the league know that they are shopping Wentz and will likely cut him if they can't get their offer. There is no need to offer more because you can still go out and try to sign him after he has been released. I think that's why one is commanding so much more then the other, per say. In terms of getting the kind of value Detroit got, that's not gonna happen at all because that is about two teams fixing problems each has, in terms of cap and future team building. The Rams gave up a lot of draft capitol in order to get out from under a crippling contract. Detroit gave up a QB that helps the Rams and took on a big cap hit in exchange for a significant amount of draft capitol. Completely different situation all together so really, Philly is being kinda stupid to think that they might be able to get a comparable offer, in terms of draft compensation.

I guess I'm more in line with your original thought, which is, GMs are not that smart as. At least Philly's.......

 

[CouchCoach]

Especially a guy like Sanders or Luck.

Sanders gave everything to the Lions. Their best player ever. He did everything he could to try and win but they never gave him a team that could. Not his fault.

Luck..... the dude got mauled physically. Can’t blame the guy for retiring while he can still walk and has his health.

Luck just got tired of trying to heal up enough to play and the competitor in him was in more pain than the physical part. You could see that in his retirement press conference. His body was letting him down and he felt like he was letting his teammates and fans down. He resigned himself to the fact it was never going to get any better. And it was a shame, he was all fire on that field and I really enjoyed watching him play and get up after getting knocked silly and tell the tackler "good hit".

Guys like Luck, Lee and Watt, to some extent, are the ones that break your heart in sports. They've got more heart than their body can handle and you see a natural born athlete mail it in at times.

 

[CouchCoach]

I think it's apples and oranges here. I don't necessarily think this is about value of one QB in comparison to another, I think this is more about the situation each team is in. Houston has a big number associated with Watson but they are not really wanting to get rid of him. They are being pressured to do so by Watson but they can afford to just sit and wait it out if they decided to because that's where they are. With Philly, they pretty much have to cut cap. There situation is different, I think. Teams around the league know that they are shopping Wentz and will likely cut him if they can't get their offer. There is no need to offer more because you can still go out and try to sign him after he has been released. I think that's why one is commanding so much more then the other, per say. In terms of getting the kind of value Detroit got, that's not gonna happen at all because that is about two teams fixing problems each has, in terms of cap and future team building. The Rams gave up a lot of draft capitol in order to get out from under a crippling contract. Detroit gave up a QB that helps the Rams and took on a big cap hit in exchange for a significant amount of draft capitol. Completely different situation all together so really, Philly is being kinda stupid to think that they might be able to get a comparable offer, in terms of draft compensation.

I guess I'm more in line with your original thought, which is, GMs are not that smart as. At least Philly's.......

Agree, these are different situations but what I find the most interesting is that Lurie fires Pederson in order not to have a QB controversy and one of his QB's still wants out. Lurie thinks he's solving the problem only he still has it.

Some GM extended Goff and Wentz, which was a huge mistake, and they're still employed and unlike the Cowboys, they don't own the team.

 

[kskboys]

Stafford is a great QB and QB challenged fans are going to find that out next season if the Rams can stay healthy. Like Romo, he was in prison in Detroit.

Now, if Wentz brings two 2nds or better, I will be truly shocked.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Agree, these are different situations but what I find the most interesting is that Lurie fires Pederson in order not to have a QB controversy and one of his QB's still wants out. Lurie thinks he's solving the problem only he still has it.

Some GM extended Goff and Wentz, which was a huge mistake, and they're still employed and unlike the Cowboys, they don't own the team.

That's it exactly, this is all about the GM. What will be interesting to see is which QB they are targeting in the Draft?

 

[Typhus]

I bet they get a lot more than most here think they will get.

 

[Flamma]

Neither Sanders or Luck have anything to do with the comparison between Romo and Stafford and the character of both or the lack there of for Stafford. Stafford was hearing that the lions were starting to question Stafford so he asked to be traded and the lions quickly agreed to do it. That didn't happen with Romo. While Romo was QB he led the Cowboys to the most 4th quarter comebacks than any other QB in the league at the time, meaning the team had confidence in him. Stafford didn't have that kind of belief by his team mates or team that he would pull games out.
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Agreed. I think there was a sizeable gap between Romo and Stafford. But that doesn't mean Detroit doesn't play a role. I'd rather have Stafford than Goff or Wentz.

That said, I was half expecting Detroit to draft a QB last year. They were in perfect position to do so, and Stafford wasn't getting any younger. You know, draft your quarterbacks replacement when the opportunity arises. Now I'm left wondering what were they thinking?

 

[gjkoeppen]

Agreed. I think there was a sizeable gap between Romo and Stafford. But that doesn't mean Detroit doesn't play a role. I'd rather have Stafford than Goff or Wentz.

That said, I was half expecting Detroit to draft a QB last year. They were in perfect position to do so, and Stafford wasn't getting any younger. You know, draft your quarterbacks replacement when the opportunity arises. Now I'm left wondering what were they thinking?

To tell you the truth I don't care one way or the other.
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[Shane612]

A bag of slim-jims and lays potato chips.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I can't help it if you can;'t see that when comparing two QB's that character is part of that comparison. You don't get to decide what areas of playing the QB position gets to be compared and which ones can't be compared.
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I didnt compare two QB's, I compared the situation and environment they played in. The similarities. Again, you cant keep up.