Give Dak a nonexclusive franchise tag

[Robbieac]

Sure, if you want to be the Commanders, Bears, Broncos, etc.

It is easily the dumbest thing the Cowboys could do. Easily.

So in your book......the Commanders would have been wiser to have kept Kirk Cousins and paid him a record setting contract (nearly $30 million/year in 2017) instead of allowing him to test the market and potentially receive 2 1st round picks in return (if that were a possibility for them at that time)?

 

[Starforever]

I wish you were Dak.

I don't; I am glad to be who I am, but he is in a no-win situation.

 

[Dalmations202]

OK, Jerry does the Non-Exclusive.
Daks agent doesn't shop him at all, because no one would give him $40M a year and 2 -1st.
Dak signs Tag a few days before season starts.
Dak keeps Dallas at $38M and sets his value at $38M.
Dak wins this year, he owns the leverage and is playing it for all its worth - betting on himself.

See same ol, same ol, next year.

Next year, Dallas has drafted and trades for a QB.
Dak gets dropped.
Dak gets signed at 20% less than he would have made here, plus pays taxes.

Dallas lost a good QB. Dak lost money.

Welcome to how this looks like it is most likely going to play out.

 

[Future]

So in your book......the Commanders would have been wiser to have kept Kirk Cousins and paid him a record setting contract (nearly $30 million/year in 2017) instead of allowing him to test the market and potentially receive 2 1st round picks in return (if that were a possibility for them at that time)?

Yes lol. Especially since they went and gave basically the same amount of money to Alex Smith. The way they handled the QB position is the model for exactly what not to do. Cowboys fans are DETERMINED to repeat the exact same thing lol.

Their problem is that they can't throw the ball because they don't have a quarterback. Cousins isn't nearly as good as Dak, but the Commanders, in not signing him, committed to not winning. If you don't have a quarterback, you don't have anything.

 

[Rockport]

We could get lucky and receive 2 first round picks for him. The Colts traded for Wentz so they're out of the running. The Saints don't have enough cap room. Maybe a team like the Panthers (8th pick), Jets (2nd pick), or Broncos (9th pick) sign him.

CZ

 

[BobbyFlame469]

Should've transition tagged him last year.

His "market value" would've been set by the market then Dallas could've decided to match or not. Problem solved.

Maybe the cowboys won’t do that because unlike forum posters NFL executives unanimously agree Dak is a great quarterback

 

[Robbieac]

OK, Jerry does the Non-Exclusive.
Daks agent doesn't shop him at all, because no one would give him $40M a year and 2 -1st.
Dak signs Tag a few days before season starts.
Dak keeps Dallas at $38M and sets his value at $38M.
Dak wins this year, he owns the leverage and is playing it for all its worth - betting on himself.

See same ol, same ol, next year.

Next year, Dallas has drafted and trades for a QB.
Dak gets dropped.
Dak gets signed at 20% less than he would have made here, plus pays taxes.

Dallas lost a good QB. Dak lost money.

Welcome to how this looks like it is most likely going to play out.

Your scenario has a lot of ifs, ands, and buts. Complete conjecture.

And if Dak signs elsewhere for $32 million/year (with your 20% less).......that's still way way way too much for a "good" QB. That would still be in the QB market of stupidity which Dallas needs to stay out of.

Teams everywhere are bailing out of the QB market of stupidity. Dallas shouldn't jump in at this point now that teams are finally learning how outrageous and team decimating that market currently is.

 

[BobbyFlame469]

So in your book......the Commanders would have been wiser to have kept Kirk Cousins and paid him a record setting contract (nearly $30 million/year in 2017) instead of allowing him to test the market and potentially receive 2 1st round picks in return (if that were a possibility for them at that time)?

Yes.

If the Commanders kept Kirk Cousins they would have made the playoffs every year since Eagles won the Super Bowl.

 

[mardwin]

At this point, it would be stupid for Dak to sign a long-term deal. He will get $37M this year at the very least, assuming he gets another $35M next year that's $72M guaranteed in two years.

 

[erod]

and Dak isn’t getting 2 first round draft picks coming off this injury anyways. Only his fans think he’s worth that much.

Seriously.

So he's not worth two first round picks, but we should sign him to $40 million a year?

Cowboy homers are hilarious.

 

[CouchCoach]

Should've transition tagged him last year.

His "market value" would've been set by the market then Dallas could've decided to match or not. Problem solved.

Yep but if they do that now, especially after the injury, going to make them look bad. If they don't get any takers for giving up the 2 1sts, then they've got a lame duck as their QB and this is a team coming off the ropes.

The question is what team would be willing to meet his contract demands and give up 2 1sts? Is there a team?

 

[Starforever]

Your scenario has a lot of ifs, ands, and buts. Complete conjecture.

And if Dak signs elsewhere for $32 million/year (with your 20% less).......that's still way way way too much for a "good" QB. That would still be in the QB market of stupidity which Dallas needs to stay out of.

Teams everywhere are bailing out of the QB market of stupidity. Dallas shouldn't jump in at this point now that teams are finally learning how outrageous and team decimating that market currently is.

Teams everywhere?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I think the non exclusive vs exclusive debate is largely a bigger deal here, than to anyone that would sign him either way. You can tag him with the non exclusive *and* still deal him to someone who wants him. It can be for more than two first round picks or it can be for less than two first round picks. It's really just a matter of extra money in Dak's pockets, which as someone who wants to see Dak signed long term, could really care less about in either direction to be honest.

 

[Robbieac]

Yes.

If the Commanders kept Kirk Cousins they would have made the playoffs every year since Eagles won the Super Bowl.

I agree. The Commanders would have remained completely mediocre and probably made the playoffs and been "relevant" but never truly good enough to compete for the Superbowl. Just like Dallas will be if they give Dak an outrageous QB contract.

I am not interested in "making the playoffs" if my team is still pretty much average all around. I either want to be really good or really bad.

 

[Robbieac]

Teams everywhere?

Yes. For the most part. Teams that have been signing QBs to stupid contracts have been regretting it rather quickly more often than not.

For example: see the Rams and Goff
For example: see Houston and Watson
For example: see the Eagles and Wentz
For example: see the trade talk about Seattle and the fighting Russell Wilsons
For example: see the trade talk with Vegas and Carr

 

[BobbyFlame469]

I agree. The Commanders would have remained completely mediocre and probably made the playoffs and been "relevant" but never truly good enough to compete for the Superbowl. Just like Dallas will be if they give Dak an outrageous QB contract.

I am not interested in "making the playoffs" if my team is still pretty much average all around. I either want to be really good or really bad.

From an owners perspective most just care about making the playoffs. A single playoff game for a team means an additional 50+ million dollars in revenue.


As a fan, I’d MUCH rather make the playoffs ever year than thinking we should blow everything up if we don’t make the NFC championship every year


Since the year 2000 only 3 SuperBowl teams favored to win the Super Bowl actually won.

anything thing can happen in the playoffs we just need to get there like the Giants did in 07

 

[CouchCoach]

Before anything is done, they should go through an honest assessment where they are in regards to contending. Is this team a true contender with or without Prescott? I don't think it is.

So, instead of a long term deal at 40M or a tag at 37.7M, see if a team will give up 2 1sts (doubtful) and if not let him walk and start fixing the defense that has held them back for decades. However, they're going to need help in building it because if they could do that, they would have already done that. This always circles back to that one major hindrance.

 

[CouchCoach]

From an owners perspective most just care about making the playoffs. A single playoff game for a team means an additional 50+ million dollars in revenue.


As a fan, I’d MUCH rather make the playoffs ever year than thinking we should blow everything up if we don’t make the NFC championship every year


Since the year 2000 only 3 SuperBowl teams favored to win the Super Bowl actually won.

anything thing can happen in the playoffs we just need to get there like the Giants did in 07

Where did you get that 50M figure?

 

[JustChip]

The market and the price aren't the same thing.

The market is $40. If, say, Chicago came in and said "we'll go to $45," that's now the price. The reason you don't do non-exclusive is because it forfeits all of your control. It's the same as not letting a guy get to UFA before signing him.

Just a really bad idea with a quarterback. 0 upside.

Actually, you still have control - the decision of what is better for your team? The forfeited picks or the contract offer. No team, none, is going to over offer for Dak just to try to box the Cowboys in. A competing team will make a market offer, maybe a little more, only if they they are willing to give up the draft capital for Dak. There is also the possibility that an offer comes in less than what the market is perceived. I venture to say the RB market topped with Zeke.

The “loss of control” is illusionary. Dak and his agent don’t have to sign your contract offer. They don’t even have to sign the tag. The team isn’t controlling anything other than their ability to make a value decision the same as with the NEFT.

 

[john van brocklin]

We could get lucky and receive 2 first round picks for him. The Colts traded for Wentz so they're out of the running. The Saints don't have enough cap room. Maybe a team like the Panthers (8th pick), Jets (2nd pick), or Broncos (9th pick) sign him.

I like your thinking!