Give Dak a nonexclusive franchise tag

[Typhus]

Now it would. Because if they tag him again it will be with the mindset to trade him. Not play him.

Yes.
There come a point in time when you either get a deal done or we go a different direction,, this drama is getting deeper than OJ

 

[jaythecowboy]

I think people are just trying to understand what you mean by relatively quickly? As opposed to what? Yeah it was quick, but far from easy. I think Wentz broke a record for dead cap.

It is the biggest dead cap hit, but they actually save $800k over what his salary is. I would have thought they would be eating dead money for at least two years. The number of Wentz was cut was almost $50 million of I'm not mistaken. People say signing Dak will cripple the franchise for five years but the Eagles were able to reverse course in two years and got draft picks. People also act as though it will take two years to clear all the bad contracts on this team but basically every contract the Cowboys have either could be moved now or moved after next year.

 

[Typhus]

It is the biggest dead cap hit, but they actually save $800k over what his salary is. I would have thought they would be eating dead money for at least two years. The number of Wentz was cut was almost $50 million of I'm not mistaken. People say signing Dak will cripple the franchise for five years but the Eagles were able to reverse course in two years and got draft picks. People also act as though it will take two years to clear all the bad contracts on this team but basically every contract the Cowboys have either could be moved now or moved after next year.

Im pretty sure it was around 34 million that the eagles eat.

 

[Flamma]

It is the biggest dead cap hit, but they actually save $800k over what his salary is. I would have thought they would be eating dead money for at least two years. The number of Wentz was cut was almost $50 million of I'm not mistaken. People say signing Dak will cripple the franchise for five years but the Eagles were able to reverse course in two years and got draft picks. People also act as though it will take two years to clear all the bad contracts on this team but basically every contract the Cowboys have either could be moved now or moved after next year.

Well I guess any team can do that. As long as you trade the player, the receiving team takes on the guarantees except for bonus. Unless the player is untradeable for whatever reason.

 

[Flamma]

Yes.
There come a point in time when you either get a deal done or we go a different direction,, this drama is getting deeper than OJ

They might not even do it. Id say there's a better chance Dak hits the open market. Dallas has to clear space just to tag Dak. About 17 million. The Cowboys aren't a good team right now. Poor coach, bad defense, pretty much every position is in question except for WR. What's the point of signing him? To come along for the ride and make rebuilding more difficult?

 

[jaythecowboy]

Im pretty sure it was around 34 million that the eagles eat.

Well I guess any team can do that. As long as you trade the player, the receiving team takes on the guarantees except for bonus. Unless the player is untradeable for whatever reason.

The amount of dead cap from a trade was lower than the amount of dead cap had they cut him. I think most big NFL contracts are getting structured that way now.

 

[DandyDon52]

We could get lucky and receive 2 first round picks for him. The Colts traded for Wentz so they're out of the running. The Saints don't have enough cap room. Maybe a team like the Panthers (8th pick), Jets (2nd pick), or Broncos (9th pick) sign him.

jones boys dont have the stones, or the good sense to do that lol. I predict the same exclusive tag again.

 

[DandyDon52]

They might not even do it. Id say there's a better chance Dak hits the open market. Dallas has to clear space just to tag Dak. About 17 million. The Cowboys aren't a good team right now. Poor coach, bad defense, pretty much every position is in question except for WR. What's the point of signing him? To come along for the ride and make rebuilding more difficult?

What's the point of signing him?......because jerry runs the team like a circus ! lol
He likes big names , and dak has a big name .
Jerry puts on shows, likes attention, not having a great team and winning.
That is why he focuses so much on offense, people love offense and td's.
Jerry wants to win too, but he just doesnt know how lol even after 25 years of doing this. Talk about a slow learner lol.

 

[StarBoyz83]

Love the romo hate. Oh he had good teams a lot.. Not! shows they know nothing about this teams history or football. He had 2 decent teams. daks had better teams in 3 years lol unreal. This fanbase didn't deserve romo and that's facts

 

[Flamma]

The amount of dead cap from a trade was lower than the amount of dead cap had they cut him. I think most big NFL contracts are getting structured that way now.

Yes, like 33 instead of 61, something like that. The difference is probably signing bonus.

 

[Flamma]

Love the romo hate. Oh he had good teams a lot.. Not! shows they know nothing about this teams history or football. He had 2 decent teams. daks had better teams in 3 years lol unreal. This fanbase didn't deserve romo and that's facts

Yep, and he was fresh out of the womb for that 2007 team. But even the 2014 team, that defense sucked. His only all around solid team was 2007.

 

[StarBoyz83]

Yep, and he was fresh out of the womb for that 2007 team. But even the 2014 team, that defense sucked. His only all around solid team was 2007.

Other funny thing . They gave romo tons of unwarranted money..um at least 15 other teams would've paid romo that much or more!

 

[StarBoyz83]

Yep, and he was fresh out of the womb for that 2007 team. But even the 2014 team, that defense sucked. His only all around solid team was 2007.

Romo had a top 10 rb in 14. Romo had an above average defense in 07 08. romo had and above average oline 07 08 14. Ya his teams were stacked bro!

 

[khiladi]

It doesn't matter if there were rumors about Dez or not, the fact they were pursuing Watkins is the key piece of information. It shows the Cowboys were looking for for a high quality receiver and were not looking to be left with the group they ended up with. That applies whether Dez was better than Watkins or not.

You're right that I didn't have the timing of the Rams/Chiefs right - my fault on that. But the point remains that the Cowboys were willing to pay Watkins a big contract, and the Chiefs (not Rams) were willing to pay him even more, which still proves my point that teams viewed Watkins as a top receiver, and were willing to pay him accordingly - and in turn that proves the Cowboys weren't planning on going into the season with the guys they did - they were trying to get something better.

And, again, none of what you have said proves Dak dictated to the team who to sign or not sign at WR, or that Dak told the team he didn't care about having higher quality receivers than they ended up with.

No, the point doesn’t remain. Nobody said Dallas wasn’t going to get WRs. They went and got WRs to replace Dez, who they claimed was a distraction for the team, particularly Dak. And they were willing to do it with guys like Watkins. Your argument was that Dak wasn’t in anyway considered in this and he just put on a ‘happy face’. You have no clue what your talking about and still don’t, because they were willing to pay a guy like Watkins big bucks and when that failed, they went and got Hurns and then released Dez.

And then Dak went and fired his agent and hired Todd France, and even after taking a week to throw a TD in training camp, he turned down a 30 million dollar extensions.

The fact you even mentioned the Rams in the context you mentioned it, just reveals how you make stuff up as you go along, flip-flopping. And now your changing your argument once again to “Dak dictating” the terms, which nobody said, but it’s typical of you in your ‘debates’ with me where you constantly change the argument and refute points I never made. Your claim was that Dak just showed a smiley face at the WR situations that he didn’t accept, which is straight op garbage.

 

[OmerV]

No, the point doesn’t remain. Nobody said Dallas wasn’t going to get WRs. They went and got WRs to replace Dez, who they claimed was a distraction for the team, particularly Dak. And they were willing to do it with guys like Watkins. Your argument was that Dak wasn’t in anyway considered in this and he just put on a ‘happy face’. You have no clue what your talking about and still don’t, because they were willing to pay a guy like Watkins big bucks and when that failed, they went and got Hurns and then released Dez.

And then Dak went and fired his agent and hired Todd France, and even after taking a week to throw a TD in training camp, he turned down a 30 million dollar extensions.

The fact you even mentioned the Rams in the context you mentioned it, just reveals how you make stuff up as you go along, flip-flopping. And now your changing your argument once again to “Dak dictating” the terms, which nobody said, but it’s typical of you in your ‘debates’ with me where you constantly change the argument and refute points I never made. Your claim was that Dak just showed a smiley face at the WR situations that he didn’t accept, which is straight op garbage.

Really - chasing Watkins and making a high dollar contract offer doesn't make the point that the Cowboys were looking to build a better receiving group than they ended up with? If that's your claim you are seriously lacking in the ability to reach a logical conclusion. That and/or you are just unwavering in your commitment to your personal narrarite regardless where facts lead.

As for your claim that I said Dak wasn't in any way considered in this - please show me where I said that? You won't be able to, because you fabricated that for the sake of an argument.

What I said was that Dak did not tell the team he wasn't interested in better receivers than he was given, and that the team didn't put the decisions on what receivers they signed solely in Dak's hand. Your narrative is that by signing Cooper the team was bailing Dak out for what you claim was Dak's decision to not different or better receivers, as if the team has no responsibility for team talent and the players are the ones calling all the shots on where talent needs to be added and who that talent is. It's a nonsensical narrative.

As for Dak putting on a good face after the fact, that's what players do all the time. But if you don't think players do that, I'll just wait for you to provide examples of QB's who have complained before a season that he has lousy receivers to work with and that he expects the offense to fail because of it.

 

[khiladi]

Really - chasing Watkins and making a high dollar contract offer doesn't make the point that the Cowboys were looking to build a better receiving group than they ended up with? If that's your claim you are seriously lacking in the ability to reach a logical conclusion. That and/or you are just unwavering in your commitment to your personal narrarite regardless where facts lead.

As for your claim that I said Dak wasn't in any way considered in this - please show me where I said that? You won't be able to, because you fabricated that for the sake of an argument.

What I said was that Dak did not tell the team he wasn't interested in better receivers than he was given, and that the team didn't put the decisions on what receivers they signed solely in Dak's hand. Your narrative is that by signing Cooper the team was bailing Dak out for what you claim was Dak's decision to not different or better receivers, as if the team has no responsibility for team talent and the players are the ones calling all the shots on where talent needs to be added and who that talent is. It's a nonsensical narrative.

As for Dak putting on a good face after the fact, that's what players do all the time. But if you don't think players do that, I'll just wait for you to provide examples of QB's who have complained before a season that he has lousy receivers to work with and that he expects the offense to fail because of it.

I don't have to show you where I 'said anything', because I'm not refuting you. You entered yourself into the conversation and tried to refute "my narrative" with completely inaccurate claims, including that Watkins, who sucked with the Rams, was actually being sought after by the Rams.

Let me summarize what your essential 'narrative' to counter my narrative was. You tried to refute me by saying Dak didn't want these WRs, basically knew they sucked and just "put on smiley face". It was YOU that claimed that Dak wasn't part of this process by saying "he just put on a smiley face" and I said it's ridiculous to assume that Dak wasn't part of it. IT WAS YOU THAT CLAIMED DAK WAS JUST A VICTIM TO THE CIRCUMSTANCES, NOT I.

That's nonsense. Hell, the team chased Sammy Watkins - do you think they didn't get him because Dak told them no? The Cowboys got outbid.

Hell, TO was acquired without the Cowboys consulting Bill Parcells, and now you are trying to argue that Dak dictated who the 2018 receivers would be?

Even if that nonsense was true, it doesn't make an iota of sense to suggest Dak would advise the team he didn't want quality receiving options. No NFL QB would do that.

Ultimately the Cowboys assumed they could make something happen and failed at it, and after the fact Dak was just trying to put a good face on it.

Whether Dallas went to pursue other WRs, nobody on this planet denied. And nobody is claiming QBs would not love to have a line-up of DeAndre Hopkins, a prime Larry Fitzgerald and Randy Moss to throw to. That's another bogus tangent your adding into the argument.

This is without even discussing the fact you brought up Watkins as an example of a "legit" WR, while he completely sucked with the Rams previously, even though you thought the Rams were pursuing him in line with Dallas. This is without even discussing the fact that you bringing up TO actually further cements the point regarding Dez, because both WRs were viewed as reasons for the offense suffering, because they were 'distractions.

Further, pursuing WRs is not mutually exclusive to the fact they thought these WRs were going to be an improvement over Dez and plenty of Dak-stans on there thought Hurns was going to make them better, but now they pretend like they never asserted it. The reason they went to pursue other WRs, is because they wanted to get rid of Dez, who they believed was a distraction for Dak and an excuse for his awful play in 2017, because he was supposedly causing Dak to not spread the bad around and force it to him. This was further cemented by the claim that Dak had majority of his success in 2016, throwing to Beasley, not Dez.

All of what you claim is contradicted by the fact of everything I said and you still haven't refuted a single point. Dak called out Dez while Jones called him a distraction in 2017, while Dak completely sucked in 2017. Jones defended Dak after his awful 2017 season, Dallas went and looked for WRs to replace Dez, who they believed was a distraction, the Cowboys went for Watkins, who didn't want to play here and then went to Hurns, who signed and the organization immediately dumped Dez, Dak fired his agent and hired France after the offense became ak-friendly", Dak came out and said he didn't 'need a number 1', Dak refused his extension after taking a week to throw a TD in training camp as if him not throwing a TD in training camp for a week was the WRs fault, per the natural corollary of your argument, which is comical.

So every action of Dak refutes your narrative, not mine. And then Dak has the audacity to talk about 'respect' in his interview. That is the reality.

 

[lk8701]

Since we now know Dak's contract demands the nonexclusive franchise tag is the only solution. Dak can sign an offer with another team. The Cowboys can decide to match if it's reasonable or get 2 1st round picks in return.

 

[khiladi]

It is the biggest dead cap hit, but they actually save $800k over what his salary is. I would have thought they would be eating dead money for at least two years. The number of Wentz was cut was almost $50 million of I'm not mistaken. People say signing Dak will cripple the franchise for five years but the Eagles were able to reverse course in two years and got draft picks. People also act as though it will take two years to clear all the bad contracts on this team but basically every contract the Cowboys have either could be moved now or moved after next year.

Dak already crippled our franchise that including a top flight RG and OL, which forced plenty of man looks and would have made life easy for any elite QB. The Eagles won a SB and are rebuilding, we are 'assuming' that Dak can carry this team to a SB after wasting our previous roster, baby-sitting him along the way. They do this because of an offense tailored for five years to his mediocre skills, heavily reliant on play-action, that lead to only garbage-time stats, against soft defenses.

 

[OmerV]

Dak already crippled our franchise that including a top flight RG and OL, which forced plenty of man looks and would have made life easy for any elite QB. The Eagles won a SB and are rebuilding, we are 'assuming' that Dak can carry this team to a SB after wasting our previous roster, baby-sitting him along the way. They do this because of an offense tailored for five years to his mediocre skills, heavily reliant on play-action, that lead to only garbage-time stats, against soft defenses.

Yep, not a single other player or coach had anything to do with the Cowboys falling short the last 4-5 years - it's all and only Dak's responsibility.

That really is a weak narrative.

 

[khiladi]

Yep, not a single other player or coach had anything to do with the Cowboys falling short the last 4-5 years - it's all and only Dak's responsibility.

That really is a weak narrative.

So by blaming Dak, that means I don't think coaches like Garrett sucked or other players as well... Some more fabrications of what 'my narrative is', only for you to 'refute the fabrications'. You just keep doing it and don't stop.