Who is winning championships without a Franchise QB?

[Rockport]

It’s rare. And I’m not talking about Elite QB’s. Just Franchise QB’s.

The only exception is those Generational defenses but even they had closer to a Franchise QB.

Despite however you feel about our QB and or his value , he has us over a barrel. Mostly because we hadn’t caved in earlier seasons. 35 million a year for 4 years he was asking for last year looks pretty good now. We knew it was just going to cost us more by holding out.

Anyway, If the 3 year deal he’s demanding is too much for 41 million, etc which not many would argue , our chances of drafting and developing another franchise QB in the next couple years not very likely.

It’s basically a matter of lesser of two evils. Worse case scenarios.

I certainly see our top 10 offense with an over paid QB more likely to carry a rebuilding defense to a division title and playoffs than without a Franchise QB. And if the offense really gels and we hit in a couple draft picks on defense while a couple previous picks blossom we could have closer to an average defense .

If not then it basically becomes a total rebuild. Who has much hope this dysfunctional organization will get that right. And how many years are we away from being competitive again. I just don’t see how knowing what we know with this leadership we can be hopeful that’s a better alternative.

Where’s the link were he says he’s demanding a 3 yr deal?

 

[Rockport]

"Hater clowns".....interesting how the name calling needs to accompany any debate when it comes to re-signing Dak or not. I love the adult nature of this group.

And your one of the top hater clowns.

 

[USArmyVet]

Then I guess you missed those divisional playoff games where we’ve come as close to a championship appearance as we did a couple times in 2007 and 2014.

That’s about as good as it’s been this era under our dysfunctional organization.

I'm sorry when was that? I mean Dallas lost to GB in the 2016 Divisional round but when did Dallas sniff anything beyond that since 2016?

 

[Rockport]

It’s all moot until we have a top 10-12 defense. I believe Dak is capable of delivering with a very good defense. It’s just going to be really hard to get said defense with the contracts currently on the books and a 40M QB.

Not hard at all.

 

[Diehardblues]

It's hard to reason why they shouldn't have gotten this done last year, even if meant giving him 4 years. Especially if he was willing to take $35-37M as reported.

Yep

Thats looking like we missed the best opportunity last year.

 

[USArmyVet]

And your one of the top hater clowns.

Please do me a favor and if you are going to make an accusation about me as you always seem to do with anyone that is against re-signiung Dak, then have the courtesy to use proper grammar as it's spelled you're and not your (your is a possessive adjective and you're is a contraction: examples.....I think you forgot YOUR box of tissues yet again.......As a result YOU'RE acting butthurt again).

I hope that grammar lesson has helped you for your future posts.

 

[Diehardblues]

I'm sorry when was that? I mean Dallas lost to GB in the 2016 Divisional round but when did Dallas sniff anything beyond that since 2016?

I guess you missed our divisional playoff game in 2018 season . Lol

 

[USArmyVet]

I’m not really interested in your opinion. Only what our organization decides. And it’s looking like we will probably tag him and move on in 2022.

So you are not interested in someone else's opinion in a group that consists of varying opinions? Hmmmm....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It’s rare. And I’m not talking about Elite QB’s. Just Franchise QB’s.

The only exception is those Generational defenses but even they had closer to a Franchise QB.

Despite however you feel about our QB and or his value , he has us over a barrel. Mostly because we hadn’t caved in earlier seasons. 35 million a year for 4 years he was asking for last year looks pretty good now. We knew it was just going to cost us more by holding out.

Anyway, If the 3 year deal he’s demanding is too much for 41 million, etc which not many would argue , our chances of drafting and developing another franchise QB in the next couple years not very likely.

It’s basically a matter of lesser of two evils. Worse case scenarios.

I certainly see our top 10 offense with an over paid QB more likely to carry a rebuilding defense to a division title and playoffs than without a Franchise QB. And if the offense really gels and we hit in a couple draft picks on defense while a couple previous picks blossom we could have closer to an average defense .

If not then it basically becomes a total rebuild. Who has much hope this dysfunctional organization will get that right. And how many years are we away from being competitive again. I just don’t see how knowing what we know with this leadership we can be hopeful that’s a better alternative.

Exactly...last time teams made it was Ravens...they had two HOFers in.Lewis and Reed plus Ngata, and few other top notch defenders. That ravens.defense was all time best perhaps....

I am.sure people will say if we don't sign Dak.then we can afford to make a defense.lime that.

My question.would be how.mcu does three players like Lewis, Reed, Nagata cost in today's market and where are they.

 

[Flamma]

I guess you missed our divisional playoff game in 2018 season . Lol

Maybe because Dallas was actually close to winning that game in 2016. Not so much in 2018.

 

[USArmyVet]

I guess you missed our divisional playoff game in 2018 season . Lol

Like to forget both of them actually but in no way was this team close to a Championship and sadly will not be for years.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It’s all moot until we have a top 10-12 defense. I believe Dak is capable of delivering with a very good defense. It’s just going to be really hard to get said defense with the contracts currently on the books and a 40M QB.

Agreed but to do that we need to build through draft and get a player or two in FA....

Mahomes made it with a top 15 defense. Brady this year had a top 10 defense. Wilson had top 5 defense.

Core of those teams came through draft.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Please do me a favor and if you are going to make an accusation about me as you always seem to do with anyone that is against re-signiung Dak, then have the courtesy to use proper grammar as it's spelled you're and not your (your is a possessive adjective and you're is a contraction: examples.....I think you forgot YOUR box of tissues yet again.......As a result YOU'RE acting butthurt again).

I hope that grammar lesson has helped you for your future posts.

Is it potato or potatoe? Thought you might know

 

[gjkoeppen]

It’s rare. And I’m not talking about Elite QB’s. Just Franchise QB’s.

The only exception is those Generational defenses but even they had closer to a Franchise QB.

Despite however you feel about our QB and or his value , he has us over a barrel. Mostly because we hadn’t caved in earlier seasons. 35 million a year for 4 years he was asking for last year looks pretty good now. We knew it was just going to cost us more by holding out.

Anyway, If the 3 year deal he’s demanding is too much for 41 million, etc which not many would argue , our chances of drafting and developing another franchise QB in the next couple years not very likely.

It’s basically a matter of lesser of two evils. Worse case scenarios.

I certainly see our top 10 offense with an over paid QB more likely to carry a rebuilding defense to a division title and playoffs than without a Franchise QB. And if the offense really gels and we hit in a couple draft picks on defense while a couple previous picks blossom we could have closer to an average defense .

If not then it basically becomes a total rebuild. Who has much hope this dysfunctional organization will get that right. And how many years are we away from being competitive again. I just don’t see how knowing what we know with this leadership we can be hopeful that’s a better alternative.

The only team I think of when asked what team won a Super Bowl with a average or below average QB is the ravens with Dilfer but they also had the record setting #1 defense too. In fact every Super Bowl winning team for the last 30 years has had a top 10 defense.
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[USArmyVet]

Is it potato or potatoe? Thought you might know

Given potatoe is not the proper spelling in any English speaking country I would hope you know it is the former but if not you are welcome.

 

[Diehardblues]

No

The only team I think of when asked what team won a Super Bowl with a average or below average QB is the ravens with Dilfer but they also had the record setting #1 defense too. In fact every Super Bowl winning team for the last 30 years has had a top 10 defense.
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I don’t think the Saints and Colts did. There might be others . But the point is most had Franchise QB which is the basis of this thread.

 

[Diehardblues]

Like to forget both of them actually but in no way was this team close to a Championship and sadly will not be for years.

I’d agree not championship caliber but it was as close as we’ve come to championship appearances which has been the Bar this era with our dysfunctional organization.

 

[Diehardblues]

Maybe because Dallas was actually close to winning that game in 2016. Not so much in 2018.

I’d agree not as close as in 2016 but 2018 still came down to our last possession with an opportunity to extend the game. And 2018 we also won a playoff game .

That’s our Bar unfortunately this era for the last couple decades , not just with Dak.

 

[gjkoeppen]

No

I don’t think the Saints and Colts did. There might be others . But the point is most had Franchise QB which is the basis of this thread.

I think you're on drugs if you don't think Brees and Peyton Manning aren't/weren't elite QB's.
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[DFWJC]

"Hater clowns".....interesting how the name calling needs to accompany any debate when it comes to re-signing Dak or not. I love the adult nature of this group.

Yeah, that immediately takes a discussion down several notches before it really even begins.