Jerry. Don't Miss Again

[Dalmations202]

No issue at all drafting 2 at all. I wouldn’t mind seeing CB, DT, DT, CB, LB in that order for our draft.

Give me Trade down and pick up a 2:
1) DT 2) LB and FS 3) CB and DT 4) CB and OL/DL

 

[reddyuta]

I am just happy they are looking at bigger DTs which they completey ignored under Marinelli.

 

[cnuball21]

Jerry needs to quit messing around. Draft monster DT Christian Barmore in the 1st round. He would be a beast for us at 1-tech for many years to come.

Many good CBs can be had in the 2nd round.

If Barmore was as good against the run as he is against the pass I'd consider him at 10...but he's not. Like, not even close.

He lacks instincts in the run game and struggles to locate the ball. As good as he could be as a pass rusher he might be just as bad as a run defender.

 

[America's Cowboy]

If Barmore was as good against the run as he is against the pass I'd consider him at 10...but he's not. Like, not even close.

He lacks instincts in the run game and struggles to locate the ball. As good as he could be as a pass rusher he might be just as bad as a run defender.

That's funny. Everywhere I look online, everyone says he's as NFL ready as can be and can be disruptive both against the run and the pass. His only problem is game-to-game consistency.

If Quinn can mold him into becoming more consistent, Barmore most definitely would be worth drafting at the 10th pick spot. Teams like the Eagles, Commanders, Patriots, Vikings, Titans and several others, all drafting right after the Cowboys, are all willing to draft Christian Barmore if the Cowboys pass him up. Why is that? So those teams are wrong but you are right? I don't think so.

Let me guess? You would rather take that TE Pitts from Florida??? Unbelievable.

Knowing Jerry, he will continue to listen to the majority of fans who are clueless in order to sell jerseys, all while continuing to avoid seriously shoring up what truly ails this Defense: that monster DT like Christian Barmore who could seriously help take this Defense over the top and shore up the interior of our D-line.

 

[speedkilz88]

Listen up. This draft has nice DT talent in rounds 2 and 3. However, they will be flying off the boards starting in mid to late round 1. You once again have an opportunity to fix the middle of the DLine. Which is the next step at this point toward super bowl contention. Please please please don't waste this chance again to fix this problem that has been haunting us for years. No lanky guys or guys w/ stiff hips.

I know DT's are hard to draft, I get it. However, that's the missing piece. Along w/ S, of course.

Guys you should be aiming for in round 2: Tyler Shelvin, Alim McNeil, Bobby Brown at NT and Darius Stills at the 3.

Do you really think Tyler Shelvin fits a 4-3? Zone Blocking Schemes are made to take advantage of slow out of shape fat guys forcing them to try to run sideline to sideline. He looks like a pure 3-4 two gap NT.

 

[CowboyoWales]

If Barmore was as good against the run as he is against the pass I'd consider him at 10...but he's not. Like, not even close.

He lacks instincts in the run game and struggles to locate the ball. As good as he could be as a pass rusher he might be just as bad as a run defender.

Spot on. Looks like the D-Line version of Jaylon.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Do you really think Tyler Shelvin fits a 4-3? Zone Blocking Schemes are made to take advantage of slow out of shape fat guys forcing them to try to run sideline to sideline. He looks like a pure 3-4 two gap NT.

He has his limitations, but he'd be there to stop the run on first two downs. We're picking a lockdown CB in the first round so make the QB throw long yardage on 3rd down.

Reportedly Shelving attracts frequent double teaming which hopefully creates space for Hill/Gallimore.

I suppose it depends if you prefer Woods / with drafted 3-tech or Shelvin (or other rush blocker) with Hill/Gallimore (who may need assistance against bigger O-Line opponents).

 

[cnuball21]

That's funny. Everywhere I look online, everyone says he's as NFL ready as can be and can be disruptive both against the run and the pass. His only problem is game-to-game consistency.

If Quinn can mold him into becoming more consistent, Barmore most definitely would be worth drafting at the 10th pick spot. Teams like the Eagles, Commanders, Patriots, Vikings, Titans and several others, all drafting right after the Cowboys, are all willing to draft Christian Barmore if the Cowboys pass him up. Why is that? So those teams are wrong but you are right? I don't think so.

Let me guess? You would rather take that TE Pitts from Florida??? Unbelievable.

Knowing Jerry, he will continue to listen to the majority of fans who are clueless in order to sell jerseys, all while continuing to avoid seriously shoring up what truly ails this Defense: that monster DT like Christian Barmore who could seriously help take this Defense over the top and shore up the interior of our D-line.

If you're asking me if I'd rather have one of the best 3-5 players in the draft in Pitts over one of the top 32 players in the draft in Barmore than the answer is yes.

I'm not going to try and explain it bc if that isn't enough for you I"d rather just drop it now.

 

[kskboys]

I am just happy they are looking at bigger DTs which they completey ignored under Marinelli.

Not sure they are.

 

[kskboys]

Do you really think Tyler Shelvin fits a 4-3? Zone Blocking Schemes are made to take advantage of slow out of shape fat guys forcing them to try to run sideline to sideline. He looks like a pure 3-4 two gap NT.

Yes, I do.

 

[Daygoboy6191]

Don’t forget the Ohio St DT. They are said to love him

He would be someone in the third that you have to keep your eyes on. The dude was a difference-maker in the Clemson game.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Serious question: Why do we keep focusing on guys who can't change direction? Do we not know how important this is? Wilson is a question mark for me as his lack of durability and possible core stiffness may keep him from being more than a rotational type. He's also had 3 surgeries. No idea what for, but he missed 7 games in 2 seasons.

Milton Williams looks like a Crawford clone to me. At his size(278), wouldn't he be a tweener w/ no real position?

Milton was 285 at his pro fwiw

 

[darthseinfeld]

Realistically if you can draft a Crawford clone in the 2nd/3rd it’s not a bad pick. Crawford was a solid starting player from ‘14-‘18...not his fault Jerry overpaid.

Williams was 284 at his pro day and still tested as good/better than most 260 lb edge players. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think that going from La Tech diet and training to the NFL’s will allow him to maintain a healthy 290 and still be an athletic freak at DT.

I think there is a narrative forming with Williams is that it would be just like the Hill pick. Its not. Hill was pretty much a bad football player at UCF. He was a pure traits pick. Williams was actually a good player at LA Tech.

 

[CowboyoWales]

That's funny. Everywhere I look online, everyone says he's as NFL ready as can be and can be disruptive both against the run and the pass. His only problem is game-to-game consistency.

If Quinn can mold him into becoming more consistent, Barmore most definitely would be worth drafting at the 10th pick spot. Teams like the Eagles, Commanders, Patriots, Vikings, Titans and several others, all drafting right after the Cowboys, are all willing to draft Christian Barmore if the Cowboys pass him up. Why is that? So those teams are wrong but you are right? I don't think so.

Let me guess? You would rather take that TE Pitts from Florida??? Unbelievable.

Knowing Jerry, he will continue to listen to the majority of fans who are clueless in order to sell jerseys, all while continuing to avoid seriously shoring up what truly ails this Defense: that monster DT like Christian Barmore who could seriously help take this Defense over the top and shore up the interior of our D-line.

If Barmore was "NFL ready" (and it certainly isnt 'everyone' saying that) and he plays the run and pass rush then he would be a dead cert top 20 pick, especially as there isnt another DT expected to go first round.

He is the kind of guy we draft, someone who shows up on college highlight reels, especially when left 1 on 1 plays.

The problem with him (as with Jaylon) is that running around trying to prove personal talents and game plan and isnt conducive to a team strategy. A number of the video highlight's showed him rushing the QB, but leaving massive holes.....which a NFL OC will exploit.

Alot will depend upon who we see as the other DT. If it's Gallimore ( who's smaller athletic, quick 3 tech type) we'd need a larger NT type to take double teaming and create space for others.

We have a shed full of players able to pass rush, maybe look to players that assists the rest of the D, rather than picking 6 pass rushers all working on their own.

 

[The Realist]

We’re awful on all 3 levels of the defense. What makes DT a priority vs an outside pass rusher, CB a Micah Parsons (10) or good LB, FS, DE, CB at 44?

 

[Dalmations202]

We’re awful on all 3 levels of the defense. What makes DT a priority vs an outside pass rusher, CB a Micah Parsons (10) or good LB, FS, DE, CB at 44?

That is easy.
If you can get the DT that can demand a double team, everyone else is singled up unless they keep extras in to block. An outside pass rusher would only sit Tank or Gregory on the bench. You have Diggs, Lewis, and Brown already at CB --- I know, yes you could use another, especially one that would start and push Lewis and Brown to slot, but you have 3 that are at least starter quality now. You just took Kazee so FS might and I repeat might be resolved - just don't know yet. Neal at Will means you have LVE and Smith at Mike and Sam. Although I think LVE will be hurt shortly because he leads with his head when he tries to stack and shed, and Smith runs around blockers instead of through them -- you also have Gifford and Bernard who both have shown some ability.

At DT - which is the shortest distance to the QB, and the guys who make sure the pocket is moved back far enough for the DE's to get the bend is probably the weakest position on the team presently. While I like Gallimore, and I think Woods is OK for a few plays, both are usually out weighed by the Guards, and can usually be single blocked or just chipped to stop the quick rush, and they are done for the play.
Having a DT that can overpower a lineman causing the need for two linemen to double him --- causes lots of problems when they aren't running themselves out of plays by trying to jump one gap and just being allowed to and pushed right on -- while running in the hole the big guy just created. Whether you use speed and strength like Donald, or size speed and strength like Suh or Vince Wilfolk did is irrelevant --- but you really need to find that guy because he makes everyone else's job much easier. Line backers don't have OL getting to the second level, CB's don't have to cover as long, gameplans go the short quick throws instead of developing plays, and all the other linemen only have 1 person to beat.

So yes, DT is the biggest need for the D. Now finding the "right" guy, and whether you draft him in the 1,2,3 is another question altogether, but IMO he needs to be found.

 

[Aven8]

Don’t forget the Ohio St DT. They are said to love him

He reminds me of a mini Suh. Very powerful upper body.

 

[The Realist]

That is easy.
If you can get the DT that can demand a double team, everyone else is singled up unless they keep extras in to block. An outside pass rusher would only sit Tank or Gregory on the bench. You have Diggs, Lewis, and Brown already at CB --- I know, yes you could use another, especially one that would start and push Lewis and Brown to slot, but you have 3 that are at least starter quality now. You just took Kazee so FS might and I repeat might be resolved - just don't know yet. Neal at Will means you have LVE and Smith at Mike and Sam. Although I think LVE will be hurt shortly because he leads with his head when he tries to stack and shed, and Smith runs around blockers instead of through them -- you also have Gifford and Bernard who both have shown some ability.

At DT - which is the shortest distance to the QB, and the guys who make sure the pocket is moved back far enough for the DE's to get the bend is probably the weakest position on the team presently. While I like Gallimore, and I think Woods is OK for a few plays, both are usually out weighed by the Guards, and can usually be single blocked or just chipped to stop the quick rush, and they are done for the play.
Having a DT that can overpower a lineman causing the need for two linemen to double him --- causes lots of problems when they aren't running themselves out of plays by trying to jump one gap and just being allowed to and pushed right on -- while running in the hole the big guy just created. Whether you use speed and strength like Donald, or size speed and strength like Suh or Vince Wilfolk did is irrelevant --- but you really need to find that guy because he makes everyone else's job much easier. Line backers don't have OL getting to the second level, CB's don't have to cover as long, gameplans go the short quick throws instead of developing plays, and all the other linemen only have 1 person to beat.

So yes, DT is the biggest need for the D. Now finding the "right" guy, and whether you draft him in the 1,2,3 is another question altogether, but IMO he needs to be found.

Everyone says this a weak draft at DT. Good at 1T rounds 2-4. Suh, or some elite 3T in first round is it there. Convincing yourself that someone is and reaching is dangerous business.

 

[America's Cowboy]

If Barmore was "NFL ready" (and it certainly isnt 'everyone' saying that) and he plays the run and pass rush then he would be a dead cert top 20 pick, especially as there isnt another DT expected to go first round.

He is the kind of guy we draft, someone who shows up on college highlight reels, especially when left 1 on 1 plays.

The problem with him (as with Jaylon) is that running around trying to prove personal talents and game plan and isnt conducive to a team strategy. A number of the video highlight's showed him rushing the QB, but leaving massive holes.....which a NFL OC will exploit.

Alot will depend upon who we see as the other DT. If it's Gallimore ( who's smaller athletic, quick 3 tech type) we'd need a larger NT type to take double teaming and create space for others.

We have a shed full of players able to pass rush, maybe look to players that assists the rest of the D, rather than picking 6 pass rushers all working on their own.

You don't study film well, do you?

 

[Dalmations202]

Everyone says this a weak draft at DT. Good at 1T rounds 2-4. Suh, or some elite 3T in first round is it there. Convincing yourself that someone is and reaching is dangerous business.

I didn't say there was an elite 1T or 3T to be had at 10. But, if I am dropping down to the mids or 20's then Barmore comes in to play for sure. Either way, I think Dallas needs one............now whether they will find one a little later or when..........??????? I just don't think they have seen the need, but the need is obvious to me and many posters on this board.