The first day should be straightforward, unless it isn't

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I think Surtain is an 80% shot.

Only way it doesn't happen is if he goes sooner.

No way does Jerry pass on this one.

The kid's influence will lean toward conservative every time.
The one thing Booger doesn't like about this pick is that there's no surprise, no wow factor. That's been the consensus pick since the mocks started up as it is apparent he's done an awful job of building a defense. He will just be taking the low hanging fruit with Surtain.
 

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The closer the draft gets, the more I get a feeling Parsons could be the pick. And he would be a great pick in 1992. As of now, we don't even know if he can cover.

If Surtain and Horn are gone, I trade down for Moehrig or Holland, maybe Barmore, depending on who is left. New England, Chicago, and New Orleans could all be interested in a trade up for a QB that's left.
 

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The one thing Booger doesn't like about this pick is that there's no surprise, no wow factor. That's been the consensus pick since the mocks started up as it is apparent he's done an awful job of building a defense. He will just be taking the low hanging fruit with Surtain.
I dont at all like using top picks on corners in consecutive years.

He sounded a little brainwashed IMO, but that could be the alcoholism, or the fact that he is a bit too old to be in the middle of all this, or the aura of pure buffoonery that he exudes.
 

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That's not ideal but not a nightmare, still end up with a good player. And that could happen.
Yep, I can't accept that a defensive player won't be taken until 10. That seems implausible.

But we'll see.
 

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If the Cowboys draft another OL or WR in the first round then I have totally given up on this senior leadership group.

There is plenty of depth in the mid rounds to compliment the OL and WR core if indeed they want to. Defense should be the way to go here and it would be utterly stupid for them to do otherwise.

I am not saying it needs to be a specific position on D, but this draft needs to be focused on strengthening the starting and depth defenders we have. I wouldnt be opposed to dealing the 10th pick as long as it means we are still focusing on strengthening the D.
 

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I mostly avoided speculating on the draft, as I prefer to do generally. So many smoke screens and bald-faced lies to sort through. So many click-bait mock drafts to keep useless people relevant. So little knowledge and so much guessing. It's interesting to discuss, but so tiring to rummage through the rubbish.

Until today. It is Draft Eve, and player study and breakdowns are complete. Teams know their scenarios and have their plans in place. The picture is in the frame, but we have to stare at it so the 3D image will reveal itself.
It's just a mystery until Thursday. Most likely defense in some capacity is my best guess. No reason for them to tip their true intentions until pick 10 rolls around.
I do believe Jerry is fascinated with Kyle Pitts and would take him. But I don't think he's interested in trading up, nor do I think Pitts will fall anywhere near 10. That scenario is gone.

I also believe the reports that coaches and scouts are bickering over Surtain and Horn. Personally, I'd prefer Horn, but I also have a feeling somebody might snatch him earlier than Dallas' pick. There's talk of Carolina doing so, but there are lots of rumors surrounding them.

That would leave Dallas pick as.....Patrick Surtain II.

It's a fine pick because I think he and Horn will both be good. I think Horn is a little more nasty, which is why I prefer him, but there's not much not to like about Surtain. That will be fine.

If suddenly there's a run on corners, that's where it gets interesting. What if Waddle, Chase, Parsons, and the tackles are there? Do you do it again? Lock up another elite receiver, this time with breakneck speed? Do you take Parsons, which is a safe pick of need and a good player? Shore up the oline? Trade out?

Honestly, any of those options are good. You're not going to care in 5 years where your Hall of Fame-bound player was taken and what the need was at the time. Get great players, period.

In the end, I think Dallas takes Surtain or Horn and calls it a first day.
 

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I mostly avoided speculating on the draft, as I prefer to do generally. So many smoke screens and bald-faced lies to sort through. So many click-bait mock drafts to keep useless people relevant. So little knowledge and so much guessing. It's interesting to discuss, but so tiring to rummage through the rubbish.

Until today. It is Draft Eve, and player study and breakdowns are complete. Teams know their scenarios and have their plans in place. The picture is in the frame, but we have to stare at it so the 3D image will reveal itself.

I do believe Jerry is fascinated with Kyle Pitts and would take him. But I don't think he's interested in trading up, nor do I think Pitts will fall anywhere near 10. That scenario is gone.

I also believe the reports that coaches and scouts are bickering over Surtain and Horn. Personally, I'd prefer Horn, but I also have a feeling somebody might snatch him earlier than Dallas' pick. There's talk of Carolina doing so, but there are lots of rumors surrounding them.

That would leave Dallas pick as.....Patrick Surtain II.

It's a fine pick because I think he and Horn will both be good. I think Horn is a little more nasty, which is why I prefer him, but there's not much not to like about Surtain. That will be fine.

If suddenly there's a run on corners, that's where it gets interesting. What if Waddle, Chase, Parsons, and the tackles are there? Do you do it again? Lock up another elite receiver, this time with breakneck speed? Do you take Parsons, which is a safe pick of need and a good player? Shore up the oline? Trade out?

Honestly, any of those options are good. You're not going to care in 5 years where your Hall of Fame-bound player was taken and what the need was at the time. Get great players, period.

In the end, I think Dallas takes Surtain or Horn and calls it a first day.

Yes, although a trade back up into the bottom of the first round wouldn't suprise me either.
 

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The nightmare I have is Horn/Surtain both gone
Pitts gone
And no one wants to trade up

That shouldnt be a nightmare its not the end of the world a good corner can be had in round 2. if 2 corners are gone 4 QBS and pitts most likely 1 or 2 receivers then Sewell or Slater is there for the taking and that may be a better pick for the cowboys anyhow at 10
 

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I have a feeling that they might trade down depending on who's still available at #10 pick. But, you just never know with the Jones'. o_O

I say trade down and pick Horn or Darrisaw, pick up an extra second and get Richie Grant and another impact player.
 

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I think the prospect of a trade at 10 is very real, the cost of a team trying to move into the top 5 can be very costly, I think sitting in the 10 spot will give Cowboys better options be it staying at 10 or being in a situation where several teams could be looking to make a deal.
 

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I guarantee a team picking in the top 10 will throw a monkey wrench into this draft and make all of us do this... :huh:.

When that happens plans will change and nothing anyone thought would happen will fall in that order. It won't be described as "straight forward".

That's why you have to be confident in your draft board. You spent months putting it together.

If things change, and you can't move back, then take the highest rated guy you have left.
 

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That shouldnt be a nightmare its not the end of the world a good corner can be had in round 2. if 2 corners are gone 4 QBS and pitts most likely 1 or 2 receivers then Sewell or Slater is there for the taking and that may be a better pick for the cowboys anyhow at 10
Sewell will be gone
I’m not that high on slater
I don’t think tackle is a big need but Sewell is too good to pass up
In that scenario I’d take a WR again and trade Gallup since he will be gone after this year anyway
But man there would be a melt down here if we took a WR lol
I wouldn’t be surprised if we take a WR at some point anyway just not high
This is another really good WR class
We need a DT class like the last few WR classes have been
 

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i hear ya. sadly, I do think this will be Tyron's last year and he hangs them up, so if Sewell or Slater where the pick I wouldn't hate it...tomorrow will be fun
Unless smith doesn’t return from the neck surgery, which I expect, he’s got several more years at his age
 

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That's not ideal but not a nightmare, still end up with a good player. And that could happen.

It's been far too quiet regarding the CB's and they're always in demand in the draft. The Cowboys have been connected to Surtain almost as much as JAX to Lawrence.

There are going to be some surprises in those first 15 picks. Maybe half of them.
I think the lack of good dline players will force CB up peoples boards
If you can pressure you better be able to cover
And this dline class is really weak
 

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Sewell will be gone
I’m not that high on slater
I don’t think tackle is a big need but Sewell is too good to pass up
In that scenario I’d take a WR again and trade Gallup since he will be gone after this year anyway
But man there would be a melt down here if we took a WR lol
I wouldn’t be surprised if we take a WR at some point anyway just not high
This is another really good WR class
We need a DT class like the last few WR classes have been
agreed with DT class. I heard Cavenaugh on 105.3 the fan say something similar a few weeks back about WR as they would be BPA. I myself consider OT a huge need for nothing else but how last year progressed when we were beat up on the line. I don't trust Collins or Smith at all. Zach may be hurt more as hes aging and Williams is weak. Slater or Sewell are immediate impact folks as either one of them pushes Williams to bench.

my real hope is LB Im a Parsons or Zaven Collins guy with first pick but I realize Im in the minority. I dont think the Cowboys can screw up pick 10 because everyone Ive heard them discussing fit a need
 
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