Where does DLAW fit?

[Doomsday101]

I just want to see DLaw step up his game this year, I know what he is capable of and with several new and young players coming in Dlaw needs to lead and not just by talking but by his work on the field, we need those double digit sacks out of him and Gregory to help take pressure off the DB and allow them to play with more aggression

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Just had to put Dak's name in there, right?

When one is talking about the cap, Dak’s massive contract is the elephant in the room. There are repercussions, potentially massive ones, to the team because of that contract.

 

[conner01]

Dallas may end up in the tough spot of Gregory putting up double digit sack numbers....largely due to the play of Lawrence...then they can't afford both.

This kind of reminds me of Greg Ellis when Parcells switched to 34. It wasn't a great fit but he kept him around because he was a "pressure player" and they aren't easy to find.

Regardless, IIRC correctly, his cap figures rise to 27 and 29m after this season, so he will need to restructure or take a massive cut.....not likely in a bad fit.

This of course assumes Quinn is still here by then lol.

Gregory putting up double digit sack numbers would be a great thing but it’s about as likely as a snow storm in July

 

[fivetwos]

The cap hit would be $44 million this year but split it after June 1st which I believe would be something like $16 million cap hit this year and roughly $30 million next year. So he will be on the roster this year. Next year the dead cap would be $19 million.

Yes and no.

The 19 mil of dead money is correct, but it would be spread over 22 and 23 (8 and 11), resulting in a cap savings of 19 mil for 2022.

 

[ChronicCowboy]

We’re stuck with him for two more seasons. We can get out of the final year of his deal with a moderate dead cap hit.

 

[fivetwos]

Gregory putting up double digit sack numbers would be a great thing but it’s about as likely as a snow storm in July

In a full season?

Nah he gets pressure. A sack in every other game now is 8.5...so 10 isn't impossible by any means.

We just aren't used to having him available or counting on him. Unless he gets hurt this year he will need a decent contract to retain.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Gregory putting up double digit sack numbers would be a great thing but it’s about as likely as a snow storm in July

Exactly!!!!!

 

[Ranched]

....with another franchise!

 

[fivetwos]

We’re stuck with him for two more seasons. We can get out of the final year of his deal with a moderate dead cap hit.

If they keep him in 2022 at 27 million instead of saving the 19 w a June 1 cut its not a great move.

That's a swing of 46 million.

Those numbers can't even trump being one of Jerry's buddies.

 

[quickccc]

I don’t think this is being talked about enough. DLaw may not fit neatly into the package that Quinn wants to implement. He’s a good (but not great) player with a bloated contract.

He isn’t a DT. He’s not a 3/4 DE. In the nickel he can be a pass rusher (and of course teams are in nickel a lot) but that’s a situational player making $20m plus per year.

What is DLaw’s cap hit on a trade situation? If it’s a reasonable hit, would the team consider trading him to a full time 4-3 team for a 2nd or 3rd round pick and save his cap hit, in part due to Daks’s massive deal?

Although i dont think he's worth the value of his contract and not a war daddy elite, i'm not ready to be talking "trade ", before giving my coaches the best chances of utilizing Dlaw's best
skill set. Under Nolan and Tomsula, and add to yet another injury related year, Dlaw was a mess last year.

- He didn't know when to stand up to rush, ..or when to drop back into passing lanes, he was never comfortable in a stand up mode as a 3-4 edge guy, much more comfortable
in 3 point stance and in a 4 man front.
Never comfortable in the " Hybrid " mode Nolan/McCarthy wanted to implement.

- Nolan/Tomsula had Dlaw and Everson Griffin bouncing around from stand up/3 point hands in the ground and rotating from left to right end virtually every 3 plays it seemed like.
and it was a joke seeing them drop back in passing lanes. ..
He was so obviously confused and frustrated, i wouldn't be surprised if he were privately one of the vocal ones behind the scenes, speaking to Jane Slater
about the awful questionable coaching and scheme.

- in this Hybrid mode (yet another) Quinn will be using, is the base 3-4 , Dlaw will be an OLB. Much like we saw Greg Ellis under Wade Phillips, big difference is we saw
exclusively the 3-4 scheme under Wade. We never changed differently. We may start out 3-4 but if we're playing majority nickel, i believe that says we are gonna be in a 4 man set 70% of the time.

- Dlaw is a good run defender, No mistaking him for ex-Cowboys Robert Quinn, He's not one diminsional, so he's not a situational player. .

- But we do need him to the double digit sack guy the Cowboys vastly paid him to be.
Tomsula Never moved Dlaw to a nickel interior rush to take mismatch advantages vs OG, as Marinelli did, i wonder could that be in the packages in Quinn's scheme.

 

[quickccc]

Dallas may end up in the tough spot of Gregory putting up double digit sack numbers....largely due to the play of Lawrence...then they can't afford both.

This kind of reminds me of Greg Ellis when Parcells switched to 34. It wasn't a great fit but he kept him around because he was a "pressure player" and they aren't easy to find.

Regardless, IIRC correctly, his cap figures rise to 27 and 29m after this season, so he will need to restructure or take a massive cut.....not likely in a bad fit.

This of course assumes Quinn is still here by then lol.

i'll never buy into that Dlaw helps the other end better.

What Gregory does on his side of the field and getting his share of sacks will have nothing to do what DLaw is doing on his left side of the field.
In fact other end is going against the better pass blocking OT of opposing teams (usually left tackle) most of the times, and Randy is actually the more natural, athletic pure pass rusher of the two.

- Dlaw is the more superior player when it comes to knowing how to use a repertoire of techniques to get shed of blocks. but he has to work that much harder physically than Gregory
Gregory's biggest problem by far is a lack of game experience, caused off of course by his well documented record of game suspensions for better course of his NFL career.
but his talent comes in his explosive first step get off, his agility in being able to bend and contour his body to get around or under shoulder of OT blockers, quick feet and change of direction in a blink.
and his lengthy arms - he's just behind in game experience and technical part of the game.

- But because of those astounding physical traits and tools, he's more suited for a hybrid scheme than any edge player we have. Standing up/hands in dirt, 3 point stance, or 3-4 & 4-3 is no
problem for him at all.

 

[BlindFaith]

See Michael Bennett. Lawerence will fit in nicely as that weekside DT.

 

[jaythecowboy]

i'll never buy into that Dlaw helps the other end better.

What Gregory does on his side of the field and getting his share of sacks will have nothing to do what DLaw is doing on his left side of the field.
In fact other end is going against the better pass blocking OT of opposing teams (usually left tackle) most of the times, and Randy is actually the more natural, athletic pure pass rusher of the two.

- Dlaw is the more superior player when it comes to knowing how to use a repertoire of techniques to get shed of blocks. but he has to work that much harder physically than Gregory
Gregory's biggest problem by far is a lack of game experience, caused off of course by his well documented record of game suspensions for better course of his NFL career.
but his talent comes in his explosive first step get off, his agility in being able to bend and contour his body to get around or under shoulder of OT blockers, quick feet and change of direction in a blink.
and his lengthy arms - he's just behind in game experience and technical part of the game.

- But because of those astounding physical traits and tools, he's more suited for a hybrid scheme than any edge player we have. Standing up/hands in dirt, 3 point stance, or 3-4 & 4-3 is no
problem for him at all.

Yes it does. Teams choose which side to put a tight end or running back to help block in pass protection. I even saw D Law getting triple teamed on one play. If the Cowboys don't find a good replacement for D Law leaves all that focus would switch to Gregory.

 

[Creeper]

The cap hit would be $44 million this year but split it after June 1st which I believe would be something like $16 million cap hit this year and roughly $30 million next year. So he will be on the roster this year. Next year the dead cap would be $19 million.

$44 million is dead cap money if they cut him. If they trade him his new team picks up his guaranteed salary of $17 million so the Cowboys are only on the hook for the prorated bonus money and restructuring bonus. There is no chance Dallas cuts him outright with his $17 million 2021 salary guaranteed. It would be pointless. After 2021, it's a different story.

 

[starfan1]

I'm not a huge DLaw fan his contract is too much but in terms of players on the defensive side showing up to ball out he's not someone I'm concerned with. He is our best defensive player

 

[conner01]

In a full season?

Nah he gets pressure. A sack in every other game now is 8.5...so 10 isn't impossible by any means.

We just aren't used to having him available or counting on him. Unless he gets hurt this year he will need a decent contract to retain.

It’s possible
But in 38 games he has 10.5 so he would have to make a dramatic leap

 

[fivetwos]

i'll never buy into that Dlaw helps the other end better.

What Gregory does on his side of the field and getting his share of sacks will have nothing to do what DLaw is doing on his left side of the field.

I'm not sure I've ever disagreed with anything on here more than that.

There are endless times another DL ends up with a sack because of the efforts of another.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm not sure I've ever disagreed with anything on here more than that.

There are endless times another DL ends up with a sack because of the efforts of another.

That is true but in the end we need DLaw to get back to double digit sacks as he did in 17 and 18, last 2 season he is been at 5 in 19 and 6.5 last year. His overall tackles have stayed the same only drop off has been in sacks and while pressure also mean a lot those negative plays that sacks create are big and we need more from him in that department.

 

[fivetwos]

That is true but in the end we need DLaw to get back to double digit sacks as he did in 17 and 18, last 2 season he is been at 5 in 19 and 6.5 last year. His overall tackles have stayed the same only drop off has been in sacks and while pressure also mean a lot those negative plays that sacks create are big and we need more from him in that department.

I don't care who gets them....just play a solid defense.

Problem is, sack numbers are what their salary is driven by.

I know what a solid player DLaw is despite him being criticized because he is considered overpaid.

I also know what Gregory is capable of pass rush wise, and if those two play together for a full season you'll see Gregory with double digit sacks, making it difficult to retain both.

That was my original point in response to the OP.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't care who gets them....just play a solid defense.

Problem is, sack numbers are what their salary is driven by.

I know what a solid player DLaw is despite him being criticized because he is considered overpaid.

I also know what Gregory is capable of pass rush wise, and if those two play together for a full season you'll see Gregory with double digit sacks, making it difficult to retain both.

That was my original point in response to the OP.

Nor do I but when a player is looking to be paid you notice it is sack leaders coming up with those big paydays. DLaw got his deal based on his overall play but also being one of the top sack men in the league when he got his deal. I need him to get back to that level, as for Gregory, he joined the team in Oct so he missed a good portion of time early on before he played a down. His snaps were limited because of that. This year he has the full off season, he will have training camp and pre season and he should be fully ready to go and hopefully live up to the billing he had when we drafted him.