Adding A Wide Nine Package On D Could It Work?

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I recently saw a very interesting video on Youtube regarding how the 49ers moved away from trying to replicate the Legion of Boom defense and moved to the Wide Nine scheme. He went over the pros and cons of it and why SF was a beast using it. I know we do not have the SF defense But looking at our personal could this be effective ?

This video caught my attention for a variety of reasons - Key Takes from the video

LOB Defense

1- It stated first and foremost in the LOB defense the single high safety was one of the key ingredients among others
2- It worked for Seattle because of the talent using the scheme ! not the scheme itself which is why SF struggled using it the level of talent was not the same at the key positions !


Wide Nine Scheme - Video went into far more detail this is just quick takeaways

1- Eliminates the outside runs for the most part and funnels runs back into the teeth of the defense but LINEBACKERS must be able to read , react, and fill gaps quickly to either side and center of the DT's- Biggest Weakness if the skill at linebacker is not there, playaction and running inside can kill this scheme if the linebackers communication and read and react timing is slow.

Why i find this interesting We have a lot of talent at linebacker between Parson's , Jalen , LVE and Cox this should be a great rotation. Communication is the most important part between the linebackers in this scheme due to the fact the linebackers need to react fast to the run to plug gaps or drop back into coverage on playaction ( parsons and Cox can cover which is great ). The speed is there and from the early onset seems like Parsons is awesome at communication. With Dlaw and Gregory lining up wider gives them more room rushing and both play the run well - Biggest question can our DT's hold up in the middle to allow the Linebackers to eat ? I know we do not have the talent on the d-line like SF but could this work for us ?

2- Less stress on the safety position and gives more flexibility to drop 2 deep or place Donavan Wilson in the box to wreak havoc i think this could fit us better then trying to recreate the LOB since we do not have that all pro safety yet

3- I think we have the talent at corner to pull this off

Like every scheme this has its strengths and weaknesses. I am no expert at breaking down film or schemes seems like the guy in the video knew what he was talking about, I guess what scares me a little is after watching this video it seemed to me the key to this D is the linebacking core and their ability to read, react, and communicate i know many are down on Jalen and LVE but with the 2 new additions this could work. Yes D-line is super important also but gregory and tank might thrive here.

IF @Reality would allow me to post the link to the Youtube Video since i do not believe forum rules allow that - i will provide a link so you can see the video i just found it very interesting and just wondered what you all thought if a package utilizing the wide nine could work?

And yes i realize we do not have the San Fran Defense :muttley:
 

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I recently saw a very interesting video on Youtube regarding how the 49ers moved away from trying to replicate the Legion of Boom defense and moved to the Wide Nine scheme. He went over the pros and cons of it and why SF was a beast using it. I know we do not have the SF defense But looking at our personal could this be effective ?

This video caught my attention for a variety of reasons - Key Takes from the video

LOB Defense

1- It stated first and foremost in the LOB defense the single high safety was one of the key ingredients among others
2- It worked for Seattle because of the talent using the scheme ! not the scheme itself which is why SF struggled using it the level of talent was not the same at the key positions !


Wide Nine Scheme - Video went into far more detail this is just quick takeaways

1- Eliminates the outside runs for the most part and funnels runs back into the teeth of the defense but LINEBACKERS must be able to read , react, and fill gaps quickly to either side and center of the DT's- Biggest Weakness if the skill at linebacker is not there, playaction and running inside can kill this scheme if the linebackers communication and read and react timing is slow.

Why i find this interesting We have a lot of talent at linebacker between Parson's , Jalen , LVE and Cox this should be a great rotation. Communication is the most important part between the linebackers in this scheme due to the fact the linebackers need to react fast to the run to plug gaps or drop back into coverage on playaction ( parsons and Cox can cover which is great ). The speed is there and from the early onset seems like Parsons is awesome at communication. With Dlaw and Gregory lining up wider gives them more room rushing and both play the run well - Biggest question can our DT's hold up in the middle to allow the Linebackers to eat ? I know we do not have the talent on the d-line like SF but could this work for us ?

2- Less stress on the safety position and gives more flexibility to drop 2 deep or place Donavan Wilson in the box to wreak havoc i think this could fit us better then trying to recreate the LOB since we do not have that all pro safety yet

3- I think we have the talent at corner to pull this off

Like every scheme this has its strengths and weaknesses. I am no expert at breaking down film or schemes seems like the guy in the video knew what he was talking about, I guess what scares me a little is after watching this video it seemed to me the key to this D is the linebacking core and their ability to read, react, and communicate i know many are down on Jalen and LVE but with the 2 new additions this could work. Yes D-line is super important also but gregory and tank might thrive here.

IF @Reality would allow me to post the link to the Youtube Video since i do not believe forum rules allow that - i will provide a link so you can see the video i just found it very interesting and just wondered what you all thought if a package utilizing the wide nine could work?

And yes i realize we do not have the San Fran Defense :muttley:
I post YouTube links in the Off Topic music thread all the time.

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Quinn kind of scared me with the hints at a hybrid defense. I'm all for a multi package/more complex defenses IF it can be taught correctly. Nothing was wrong with the scheme Nolan rolled out there last year, besides he dint teach it and also lacked the players to make it effective.
 

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Quinn kind of scared me with the hints at a hybrid defense. I'm all for a multi package/more complex defenses IF it can be taught correctly. Nothing was wrong with the scheme Nolan rolled out there last year, besides he dint teach it and also lacked the players to make it effective.
I think the video basically called this a 4/3 stack also with the way the linebackers set up , yeah i hear you though they did not have the offseason to implement everything it just turned into a learn on the fly scenario which is never gonna fly in the NFL
 

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I recently saw a very interesting video on Youtube regarding how the 49ers moved away from trying to replicate the Legion of Boom defense and moved to the Wide Nine scheme. He went over the pros and cons of it and why SF was a beast using it. I know we do not have the SF defense But looking at our personal could this be effective ?

This video caught my attention for a variety of reasons - Key Takes from the video

LOB Defense

1- It stated first and foremost in the LOB defense the single high safety was one of the key ingredients among others
2- It worked for Seattle because of the talent using the scheme ! not the scheme itself which is why SF struggled using it the level of talent was not the same at the key positions !


Wide Nine Scheme - Video went into far more detail this is just quick takeaways

1- Eliminates the outside runs for the most part and funnels runs back into the teeth of the defense but LINEBACKERS must be able to read , react, and fill gaps quickly to either side and center of the DT's- Biggest Weakness if the skill at linebacker is not there, playaction and running inside can kill this scheme if the linebackers communication and read and react timing is slow.

Why i find this interesting We have a lot of talent at linebacker between Parson's , Jalen , LVE and Cox this should be a great rotation. Communication is the most important part between the linebackers in this scheme due to the fact the linebackers need to react fast to the run to plug gaps or drop back into coverage on playaction ( parsons and Cox can cover which is great ). The speed is there and from the early onset seems like Parsons is awesome at communication. With Dlaw and Gregory lining up wider gives them more room rushing and both play the run well - Biggest question can our DT's hold up in the middle to allow the Linebackers to eat ? I know we do not have the talent on the d-line like SF but could this work for us ?

2- Less stress on the safety position and gives more flexibility to drop 2 deep or place Donavan Wilson in the box to wreak havoc i think this could fit us better then trying to recreate the LOB since we do not have that all pro safety yet

3- I think we have the talent at corner to pull this off

Like every scheme this has its strengths and weaknesses. I am no expert at breaking down film or schemes seems like the guy in the video knew what he was talking about, I guess what scares me a little is after watching this video it seemed to me the key to this D is the linebacking core and their ability to read, react, and communicate i know many are down on Jalen and LVE but with the 2 new additions this could work. Yes D-line is super important also but gregory and tank might thrive here.

IF @Reality would allow me to post the link to the Youtube Video since i do not believe forum rules allow that - i will provide a link so you can see the video i just found it very interesting and just wondered what you all thought if a package utilizing the wide nine could work?

And yes i realize we do not have the San Fran Defense :muttley:

Niners have a good defense because they draft quality players on defense instead of always picking the fancy offensive toy. They value DL over RB.
 

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Quinn kind of scared me with the hints at a hybrid defense. I'm all for a multi package/more complex defenses IF it can be taught correctly. Nothing was wrong with the scheme Nolan rolled out there last year, besides he dint teach it and also lacked the players to make it effective.
Which is what ticked me off because Fat Mike preached player over scheme.
 

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Niners have a good defense because they draft quality players on defense instead of always picking the fancy offensive toy. They value DL over RB.
LOL but this is not really about the niners more about if this scheme would possibly be a better fit based on our players hahahahah
 

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LOL but this is not really about the niners more about if this scheme would possibly be a better fit based on our players hahahahah

What I am trying to say is that is doesnt matter what scheme you run if you dont have the talent or draft the talent. So the Cowboys could switch to whatever they want and its not going to work until they start nailing D picks.

On the other side I doubt its the scheme as much as its the great players SF drafted.
 

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What I am trying to say is that is doesnt matter what scheme you run if you dont have the talent or draft the talent. So the Cowboys could switch to whatever they want and its not going to work until they start nailing D picks.

On the other side I doubt its the scheme as much as its the great players SF drafted.
No i hear ya - and yeah Lynch has drafted D very well there for sure especially on there line !
 

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And that's exactly why their offense is a mess.

I wouldnt say that. last year was a disaster with injuries but that team has a great run game and a good Oline. They even have some receivers now. The problem has been QB play. Guroppolo has either been hurt or played poorly.
 

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And that's exactly why their offense is a mess.

Just as a reference, the Niners in 2019 were #2 in the NFL in rushing with 144 per game. Ahead of the Cowboys. And they didnt need to use a top 4 pick on RB to get that.

I know you are a big Zeke fan. :thumbup:
 

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Just as a reference, the Niners in 2019 were #2 in the NFL in rushing with 144 per game. Ahead of the Cowboys. And they didnt need to use a top 4 pick on RB to get that.

I know you are a big Zeke fan. :thumbup:

Offensive and defensive rankings, mean nothing, if it does not translate into a championship. Of course, that is only my opinion.
 

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I wouldnt say that. last year was a disaster with injuries but that team has a great run game and a good Oline. They even have some receivers now. The problem has been QB play. Guroppolo has either been hurt or played poorly.
Cowboys had injuries too.....I don't want to hear the injury excuse because you don't use that excuse for why Zeke had a down year last year with a 3rd string offensive line. You guy skill me you will defend the 49ers before your own players....
 

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Just as a reference, the Niners in 2019 were #2 in the NFL in rushing with 144 per game. Ahead of the Cowboys. And they didnt need to use a top 4 pick on RB to get that.

I know you are a big Zeke fan. :thumbup:
Big time Zeke fan. Fan of anyone in that star that isn't a woman beater or a criminal.
 

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I wouldnt say that. last year was a disaster with injuries but that team has a great run game and a good Oline. They even have some receivers now. The problem has been QB play. Guroppolo has either been hurt or played poorly.

Cowboys had Dalton, Gilbert and Denucci, no better....
 

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The Eagles ran a very wide nine many years ago. I think they had mixed success and then it all fell apart. Don’t remember if it was scheme or talent.
 
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Wide 9 is just a passrush set that allows the DE to capture the edge more easily. There's no utility to it other than that.
 
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