Early Vision For Chauncey Golston?

[gimmesix]

If you’ve got the talent to play and contribute early in the NFL, you’ll probably get better with time.

Most likely. Some players don't, though, for various reasons, such as injuries cropping up, other teams figuring out how to handle them, etc.

 

[jnday]

He was a good DT, but we played him mostly out of position at DE. Reminds me of Ratliff.

He was identical to Ratliff except for his lack of a decent pass rush and him being an average run defender.

 

[SlammedZero]

I'm just glad I clicked into this thread. Took me into a mental journey I had not expected filled with belly bumps and Cowboys bean bags.

 

[xwalker]

How He Got Here: Taken just nine spots after Osa Odighizuwa in the third round of this year's NFL draft, Golston was part of a back-to-back effort to bolster the Cowboys' defensive line heading into Dan Quinn's first year on the job.

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/role-call-early-vision-for-chauncey-golston

There are 2 basic types of edge rushers:
1: Von Miller type
2: Terrell Suggs type

Category 1: Speed/Bend.
Category 2: Leverage, technique, power over pure speed.

Golston is in the #2 category.
DLaw is also in that category.

Obviously some HoF types like DWare could win with either style.

It is very easy to see why Quinn liked Gholston.
- Based purely on game footage, Gholston could easily have been drafted earlier.
- Lack of freak athletic measurables likely dropped him to the 3rd.

Gholston just knows how to play the game.
- He knows how to use length to his advantage.
- He has good technique and great awareness.
- His style and physical ability have similarities to DLaw.
- He uses his length similar to what we saw with David Irving, but he is much more relentless than Irving.
- He also played snaps at DT in college despite being 269 in pre-draft measurements.

Fans and media draft analysts don't get excited about players that don't have freakish athletic measurables, but Belichick has tended to have a team full of guys are that are excellent football players but not freak athletes.

 

[Typhus]

------Bet You Didn't Know: Golston is just the second Iowa Hawkeye to be drafted by the Cowboys during Jerry Jones' tenure as owner and general manager, along with 2014 fourth-round pick Anthony Hitchens.

I knew it....Dallas went TWENTY EIGHT straight years (1986 - 2014) without drafting an Iowa player. When in doubt, draft Hawkeyes....nobody will be as NFL ready, disciplined, or work harder.

The ONLY mistake I ever blame Jimmy for is passing on Merton Hanks in the FIFTH round.

Man did have some neck,, what was it.. the chicken dance?

 

[xwalker]

I honestly think the senior bowl was a big factor for them. Apparently, because of the pandemic, the senior bowl was the ONLY thing that the higher ups in the FO actually attended in person. They picked two guys that looked good at the senior bowl that everybody else had rated much lower. I believe it was Goldston and Osa.

I just have a hard time believing that Jerry and CO know something that everyone else doesnt. All our third round picks were reaches.

There was also like actual college game footage where Gholston looked terrific.

He just didn't have the wow measurables that make fans and media get hyped up.

Fans/media love the Vernon Gholston type draft prospects with freak measurables but have minimal interest in pluggers like DT Lawrence Guy who has started multiple Super Bowls...

 

[Risen Star]

He was a good DT, but we played him mostly out of position at DE. Reminds me of Ratliff.

He was as mediocre at DT as he was at DE.

He reminds me of Ratliff in that they both played in the NFL.

 

[xwalker]

I'd be ecstatic if Golston were Crawford part deux. Craws was a very good player who was grossly overpaid and misused here. Keep Craws at DT where he belonged, don't pay him too much, and let him be a nice rotational type, and he's a good player.

Crawford was better than average as a 3rd round pick.

He was over-paid, but that has nothing to do with his draft status.

The Cowboys over-paid him but he could have had a better career on another team because Marinelli played him everywhere except at his best position.

In a 4-3 under like Marinelli used, Crawford would have been a decent Strong Side (Left) DE.

The problem was that DLaw was only good at SDE (Left DE).

That forced them to yo-yo Crawford back and forth between DE and DT.

Crawford was definitely NOT a WDE (Right Side in Marinelli's scheme) but that is where he ended up for the majority of his starts.

The Cowboys made it to the playoffs with Crawford starting at RDE in base, then being replaced by Gregory in Nickel with Crawford moving to DT in Nickel.

 

[CowboyRoy]

There was also like actual college game footage where Gholston looked terrific.

He just didn't have the wow measurables that make fans and media get hyped up.

Fans/media love the Vernon Gholston type draft prospects with freak measurables but have minimal interest in pluggers like DT Lawrence Guy who has started multiple Super Bowls...

Well he was a 3rd round pick I would expect him to look good at times. Plug guys are a dime a dozen. Im more interested in did we get a difference maker. A play maker. A sure fire starter. How may plug guys is too many plug guys?

 

[CATCH17]

There is no way to have the name Chauncey Gholston and not be a solid DLinemen at least.

 

[Alexander]

There was apparently a long-term plan for Golston and Odighizuwa when they were drafted. Patience may be required to see that plan pan out.

Patience how?

Like patience with Maliek Collins was? Trystan Hill now?

 

[Alexander]

There is no way to have the name Chauncey Gholston and not be a solid DLinemen at least.

Name the solid DLs ever named Chauncey. I know I cannot think of a single one. Now Gholston, not too great with those solid DLs either. I guess William is a journeyman type and of course we know about Vernon.

 

[kskboys]

He was identical to Ratliff except for his lack of a decent pass rush and him being an average run defender.

Craws was a noted run defender and not much of a pass rusher. However, he wasn't a bad disrupter inside. We played him at DE because we screwed up the position so badly. Our ineptitude caused him to fail. There's a shocker.

 

[kskboys]

Well he was a 3rd round pick I would expect him to look good at times. Plug guys are a dime a dozen. Im more interested in did we get a difference maker. A play maker. A sure fire starter. How may plug guys is too many plug guys?

Since we had zero quality plug guys(Maybe Galley), it was a need. And this was a relatively poor draft for disrupting DE's. To get one, we'd have had to take a shot at one of the top ones, and they all came w/ major questions. Not to mention that Parsons was simply way too good to pass up.

For every Charles Haley, you need a Tony Tolbert. And if you can get a Tolbert in the 3rd, you did good.

 

[Alexander]

I remember those idiots doing their day 2 press conference talking about how they had a target they almost took in round 3 and were worried whether he'd be there in the 4th for them. That player turned out to be Armstrong.

More Armstrong slander? Silence!

 

[kskboys]

He was as mediocre at DT as he was at DE.

He reminds me of Ratliff in that they both played in the NFL.

He never played DT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, except for that one season, the one in which he played well enough to earn a big contract. Way too big!!!!

Ratliff was a beast of a player who was not built for where we played him. Ruined his career.

 

[JoeKing]

Patience how?

Like patience with Maliek Collins was? Trystan Hill now?

Like patience with Randy Gregory.

 

[xwalker]

Well he was a 3rd round pick I would expect him to look good at times. Plug guys are a dime a dozen. Im more interested in did we get a difference maker. A play maker. A sure fire starter. How may plug guys is too many plug guys?

There percentage of 3rd round players that become "sure fire starters" is actually quite low.

 

[Alexander]

Like patience with Randy Gregory.

I don't see the correlation.

Gregory was beyond patience, more doglike devotion.

 

[JoeKing]

I don't see the correlation.

Gregory was beyond patience, more doglike devotion.

Then disagree. I don't insist that everyone agrees with me as some posters seem to do.