Twitter: One AFC defensive coach, Cowboys need to give Zeke some of Dak money

[Diehardblues]

That's fine....I understand.

But....we should be able to decide for ourselves. I doubt it matters to many people who says what. People have their minds made up (and experts abut it too!) about most everything these days regardless of what anyone says even if they are "experts".

I doubt anyone changes their mind about zeke or dak or jaylon or you name it. It's...POSSIBLE....a Super Bowl ...*might*.

Understood but to me who says it matters. And when they said it.

I often align myself with experts , beat writers, former coaches and players I follow. People much closer to the situation than I am who do influence my opinion.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

"One AFC defensive coach" is another name for "An expert in the field", "unnamed sources", "...on the condition of anonymity", "spokesman" and "someone within the organization".

Translation:

"In my own opinion as the person tweeting this....."

See my post just above.
It's not gonna matter who this person is. Minds are made up.

 

[jnday]

Everyone has an opinion. Dak's numbers have gotten better while Zeke's numbers have gotten worse, but he's the one that needs a pay raise

The only problem is that winning games have become less frequent as Dak’s numbers have went up. When the offense was centered around Zeke, the Cowboys were winning more games. At the end of the day, the only numbers that matters is how many wins does the team have at the end of the season.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The only problem is that winning games have become less frequent as Dak’s numbers have went up. When the offense was centered around Zeke, the Cowboys were winning more games. At the end of the day, the only numbers that matters is how many wins does the team have at the end of the season.

Well the issue is probably a collective issue. The offensive line isn't as good as it use to be.....Zeke isn't as good as he use to be.....and last year Dak started off games slow....defense sucked....as a result you start games from behind and have to air it out.........at least that's based on what I saw last year from this team. Dak wouldn't have to pass if the running game could get going.

 

[Shane612]

Maybe if Elliot lost his beard he'd be quicker and faster.

 

[JoeKing]

This will fall on death ear because average fans are results oriented, no matter the issue, they don't care , they want results.

...but will it fall on deaf ears?

 

[Dre11]

I don’t expect Pollard to continue to average 5.3 yards a carry…did you?

Whether I did or not, his average dropped. I also wouldn't expect it to drop that much with the small amount of carries he gets, if he continues the occasional big run, things changed for him because the line was putrid, and the starting qb wasn't there, which allowed teams to play the run more.

 

[Dre11]

...but will it fall on deaf ears?

I've already addressed that

 

[Dre11]

He certainly has earned more money with every play he takes himself out of. Heck...let's all chip in. I want him to be able to eat name brand.

People always says this , but the guy was being ran into the ground is first couple of years

 

[JoeKing]

I've already addressed that

No, you said death ears.

 

[Dre11]

No, you said death ears.

And I addressed with another poster in this thread as I said.

 

[RonnieT24]

I think your definition of a "Change of pace back" is to justify how Zeke has been playing these last few years. We know that in this offense and on this team Zeke is a #1 back. They aren't a running back tandem by any means.

And you say the change of pace back is suppose to hav ea higher npc average than the starter? Who does that? What running back are you referring to?

How many would you like me to list?

1989 - Kenneth Davis 5.1 ypc Thurman Thomas 4.8 ypc
1998 - Ron Rivers 5.6 ypc Barry Sanders 4.3 ypc
2001 - Troy Hambrick 5.1 ypc, Emmitt 3.9 ypc
2006 - Michael Turner 6.2 ypc LT 5.7 ypc
2011 - Darren Sproles 6.9 ypc Mark Ingram 3.9 ypc

This is just the five that I could recall off the top of my head where the backup had a higher ypc average but was never quite as good as the other guy. Though kudos are in order for Michael Turner as he did have three thousand yard seasons as the lead dog for ATL. Obviously Sproles was never going to survive as a featured back at his size but he is the poster child for the role of change of pace back. There has been literally dozens of examples of this phenomenon throughout the last 25-30 years so I honestly cannot understand why someone would pretend not to know about it.

 

[JoeKing]

And I addressed with another poster in this thread as I said.

As someone that always proofreads before posting, It's my job to make it as painful as possible for those who do not proofread. Thus, simply addressing your err with one poster is not good enough. You have to address it with every poster who cares to bring it up. Maybe that will teach you to not make that mistake again. You're welcome.

 

[RonnieT24]

Well the issue is probably a collective issue. The offensive line isn't as good as it use to be.....Zeke isn't as good as he use to be.....and last year Dak started off games slow....defense sucked....as a result you start games from behind and have to air it out.........at least that's based on what I saw last year from this team. Dak wouldn't have to pass if the running game could get going.

Under Garrett the Cowboys were a run first team that sought to establish the run first then fill in the blanks with the pass around that foundation. I don't think Kellen Moore approaches the game that way at all. And it's reflected in how slowly we have been starting games since he took over the play calling. Taking the opening kickoff down and punching it in were a hallmark of the 2016-2018 Cowboys. It's why Garrett always took the ball when we won the toss. He was confident the offense would score and he wanted us to play from ahead. And actually with the defense being suspect he NEEDED us to play from ahead. Fast forward to the Kellen Moore era and slow starts have been the rule not the exception. As has been discussed here many times I believe it's Moore's inexperience at scripting those first 12-15 plays that are to blame. I think he uses those plays too much to set things up for later as opposed to actually trying to move the ball and score. How else does one explain the fact that we go into so many games KNOWING that the opposing defense has NOBODY who can cover Amari Cooper yet we might not target him at all in our first 2-3 series and even if we do the targets are 5 yard in cuts. If the guy can't cover him why wait until the second quarter to send Coop deep? Why not get a couple of quick touchdowns before the DC can figure it out? Recall the Thanksgiving Day game? The WFTs started out with Ronald Darby on Coop in single coverage. The same Ronald Darby whom Coop has eaten for lunch every time he faced him in Philly and now in DC. I don't need 3-4 series to figure out if Ronald Darby has improved now in his 7th or 8th year to the point where he actually CAN cover Amari Cooper.. I don't think he can and I would gotten at LEAST two easy scores against him early in the game before the DC either benched him or kept a double on Coop which would have allowed CD and Gallup to eat all day. You "Dak started games off slow.." which is true.. but it wasn't just Dak. All the QBs started off games slow under Moore.. Remember who the QB was on Thanksgiving? Hint: It wasn't Dak Prescott.

 

[starfan1]

The only problem is that winning games have become less frequent as Dak’s numbers have went up. When the offense was centered around Zeke, the Cowboys were winning more games. At the end of the day, the only numbers that matters is how many wins does the team have at the end of the season.

I know thats a stat guys like to use and they would be right but the real issue has been less about dak and more about the Oline and defense. Dak is down the list of issues.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Whether I did or not, his average dropped. I also wouldn't expect it to drop that much with the small amount of carries he gets, if he continues the occasional big run, things changed for him because the line was putrid, and the starting qb wasn't there, which allowed teams to play the run more.

It dropped to a respectable 4.3.....

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

How many would you like me to list?

1989 - Kenneth Davis 5.1 ypc Thurman Thomas 4.8 ypc
1998 - Ron Rivers 5.6 ypc Barry Sanders 4.3 ypc
2001 - Troy Hambrick 5.1 ypc, Emmitt 3.9 ypc
2006 - Michael Turner 6.2 ypc LT 5.7 ypc
2011 - Darren Sproles 6.9 ypc Mark Ingram 3.9 ypc

This is just the five that I could recall off the top of my head where the backup had a higher ypc average but was never quite as good as the other guy. Though kudos are in order for Michael Turner as he did have three thousand yard seasons as the lead dog for ATL. Obviously Sproles was never going to survive as a featured back at his size but he is the poster child for the role of change of pace back. There has been literally dozens of examples of this phenomenon throughout the last 25-30 years so I honestly cannot understand why someone would pretend not to know about it.

I'm talking about in modern NFL.....not 40 years ago lol. Or in the case of the Saints....10 years ago....If you gotta go back 10+ years then that says it all.

 

[RonnieT24]

I'm talking about in modern NFL.....not 40 years ago lol. Or in the case of the Saints....10 years ago....If you gotta go back 10+ years then that says it all.

I went back 30 years to illustrate that this idiotic notion that the backup must be better because he has a higher ypc average is nothing new and has been around the game forever. I also included hall of famers to illustrate that some of the best to ever do it have had backups who would come in and shine in spot duty. I could find you a dozen examples from the past 2-3 seasons and it still wouldn't change your mind obviously. I mean if you're Cowboys fan you saw it with Julius and Marion then Marion and Felix then Felix and DeMarco then DeMarco and Randle.. just on our own team in the last decade. You acted as if it never happens.. I countered with multiple examples across time that it does and your response is : Well if you have to go back.... Seriously!?!?! I didn't HAVE to go back.. I did it on purpose to highlight the lunacy of the argument that it is some sort of rarity. It's not... it's fairly common for all the reasons already outlined. If you wish to pretend otherwise feel free to do so. The facts will continue to say you're wrong.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Under Garrett the Cowboys were a run first team that sought to establish the run first then fill in the blanks with the pass around that foundation. I don't think Kellen Moore approaches the game that way at all. And it's reflected in how slowly we have been starting games since he took over the play calling. Taking the opening kickoff down and punching it in were a hallmark of the 2016-2018 Cowboys. It's why Garrett always took the ball when we won the toss. He was confident the offense would score and he wanted us to play from ahead. And actually with the defense being suspect he NEEDED us to play from ahead. Fast forward to the Kellen Moore era and slow starts have been the rule not the exception. As has been discussed here many times I believe it's Moore's inexperience at scripting those first 12-15 plays that are to blame. I think he uses those plays too much to set things up for later as opposed to actually trying to move the ball and score. How else does one explain the fact that we go into so many games KNOWING that the opposing defense has NOBODY who can cover Amari Cooper yet we might not target him at all in our first 2-3 series and even if we do the targets are 5 yard in cuts. If the guy can't cover him why wait until the second quarter to send Coop deep? Why not get a couple of quick touchdowns before the DC can figure it out? Recall the Thanksgiving Day game? The WFTs started out with Ronald Darby on Coop in single coverage. The same Ronald Darby whom Coop has eaten for lunch every time he faced him in Philly and now in DC. I don't need 3-4 series to figure out if Ronald Darby has improved now in his 7th or 8th year to the point where he actually CAN cover Amari Cooper.. I don't think he can and I would gotten at LEAST two easy scores against him early in the game before the DC either benched him or kept a double on Coop which would have allowed CD and Gallup to eat all day. You "Dak started games off slow.." which is true.. but it wasn't just Dak. All the QBs started off games slow under Moore.. Remember who the QB was on Thanksgiving? Hint: It wasn't Dak Prescott.

The team wasn't prepared that was evident soon as the season started. Everyone being off equally is signs of poor coaching.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I went back 30 years to illustrate that this idiotic notion that the backup must be better because he has a higher ypc average is nothing new and has been around the game forever. I also included hall of famers to illustrate that some of the best to ever do it have had backups who would come in and shine in spot duty. I could find you a dozen examples from the past 2-3 seasons and it still wouldn't change your mind obviously. I mean if you're Cowboys fan you saw it with Julius and Marion then Marion and Felix then Felix and DeMarco then DeMarco and Randle.. just on our own team in the last decade. You acted as if it never happens.. I countered with multiple examples across time that it does and your response is : Well if you have to go back.... Seriously!?!?! I didn't HAVE to go back.. I did it on purpose to highlight the lunacy of the argument that it is some sort of rarity. It's not... it's fairly common for all the reasons already outlined. If you wish to pretend otherwise feel free to do so. The facts will continue to say you're wrong.

I'ms saying currently int his reincarnation of the NFL what backup describes what you stated originally...