Dak’s Last 16 starts: 5,734 Yards, 36 Tds

[Alexander]

If things do not change, he will be a statistical monster just like Romo.

 

[USArmyVet]

Dak threw for 3 tds.

2 out of 3 outside the Red Zone as he was 1 for 4 inside the Red Zone.

 

[BobbyFlame469]

Fantasy Football has no real championships. Jamies Winston threw for +5000 yards in 2019.

and is showing why he was worth the saints taking a chance on him.


He will be MVP runner up this year

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The Daksters can’t have it both ways. If he gets credit for leading the team to victory, he should also get credit for leading them in losses. Yes, there are a lot of Dak fans that sees this one way. If Dallas loses, it was the defense’s fault, the oline’s fault, the WRs fault, Zeke’s fault, etc. If Dallas wins, Dak and his stats led them to victory. When the team loses, yes , Dak should share in some of the blame just like the rest of the team. If somebody wants to nit-pick, they could easily point out the failures that caused the team to kick field goals instead scoring TDs. That is just one example, but fans can find plenty of failures to support their argument and place blame wherever they want to.

I have never said wins/losses are on the QB and QB only. you can't find a post from me to have said that (but don't take any comments out of context of the debate in the thread)......but my question simply was everyone and all the dak bashers keep saying HIS record and they keep associating the record with him...(and all of them dismiss 2016 and credit Zeke and OL).....so I ask a very direct question, which should have a very simple yes/no answer and none of these guys ever responds (will you?)....it seems they just want to post a troll response and don't really believe what they say. if you believe what you say then stand behind it, wrong or right and if you are wrong, then you admit you are wrong, like a man or a leader would do...

and to your point, every win and all the success for dak has been attributed to Zeke, OL, WRs.....never Dak and they even credit a rookie OC devising game plans around Dak's weaknesses.......its pathetic...and it seems like you are doing the same...in a passive aggressive manner....

I always always always believe that the team bears responsibility....coaches on down...wins and losses are on the coaches......they manage the offense, defense, special teams....they are responsible for the whole. Dak is responsible for the offense and because he is the QB he bears the most responsibility (and credit) for offensive success/failure

so why is it when we win, no one credits Dak? never have I seen any of the dak bashers and perhaps you included to give credit to Dak.....its always finding fault with a throw here and throw there and even if we score 35, its about the opportunities missed....why is it Dak bashers like yourself expect perfection on every throw, every pass, every series, every down, every quarter, every half, every game.....and even then they are not satisfied.


btw, to your last comment..... the failure in the last series squarely falls on MC and Moore...they didn't manage it properly. furthermore, it falls on CD and Zeke, the stupid idiots who went out of bounds and stopped the clock and left too much time for Brady to make a comeback....stupid players. stupid plays, lead to losses.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

2 out of 3 outside the Red Zone as he was 1 for 4 inside the Red Zone.

some of the redzone problems were clearly due to Moore and how he ,,managed the game including the debacle of the last series.....he showed he has a long way to go before being a good OC....

 

[Rockport]

2 out of 3 outside the Red Zone as he was 1 for 4 inside the Red Zone.

Doesn’t matter from where he threw 3 tds. All that matters is that he threw 3 tds. Unless you’re just a hater.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The Cowboys Offense has been great from the 30 yard line to the 30 yard line ever since #4 became QB1. The problem is in the red zone and that is the same problem for all these new style QBs from the NCAA. Why? Because most of them can't hit the broad side of a barn from the inside with all the friggin doors and windows closed!! Dudes like Dak, Jackson, Murray, SCam, Mayfield, Kap, Watson, Haskins, Vick, Tebow, Manziel, Mariota, and RGIII just have problems with accuracy in tight windows and that's what you get in the red zone, VERY tight windows. All these stud athletes come from the new read option/run and gun/spread option/whatever you wanna call it/new wave veer offense that works in the NCAA because there are what 2000 schools each with 200 players on full scholarship while there only 32 NFL clubs with 53 roster spots? I wonder why that crap don't work in the league???!!!

actually that's a dak bashers narrative. perhaps the infamous eye test. facts are that he has been middle of the pack in some areas, good in others inside the redzone.....for example completion percentage he has been around 52% in 2019....that's awful right? except Russell Wilson is 49% and Brady 54%.....oh wait. whaaattt? but those guys get more opportunities inside the redzone than some of the other QBs (not sure why).....and the problem is that we can't seem to run inside the redzone, given Zeke's stats in that area of the field.....in 2020, Zeke has averaged 2.1 ypc inside the 20 and 1.1 inside the 10....I understand some of it is scoring TDs close to goal line, but he only had 6 TDs....in low 20s,
in 2019 he was better, at 2.7 ypc inside 20 and 1.9 ypc inside the 10... with 11 TDs that put him top 10. in 2018 again inside the 20 he was 2.5 ypc, inside the 10 only 34 yards for 1.5 YPC and total of 5 TDs....

so the redzone struggles are more than passing game and Dak, its also zeke and I think it goes back to coaching, scheme and play calls in that area of the field, where Garrett and Linehan infamously sucked at it and Moore really hasn't been better.

 

[OldJarhead]

actually that's a dak bashers narrative. perhaps the infamous eye test. facts are that he has been middle of the pack in some areas, good in others inside the redzone.....for example completion percentage he has been around 52% in 2019....that's awful right? except Russell Wilson is 49% and Brady 54%.....oh wait. whaaattt? but those guys get more opportunities inside the redzone than some of the other QBs (not sure why).....and the problem is that we can't seem to run inside the redzone, given Zeke's stats in that area of the field.....in 2020, Zeke has averaged 2.1 ypc inside the 20 and 1.1 inside the 10....I understand some of it is scoring TDs close to goal line, but he only had 6 TDs....in low 20s,
in 2019 he was better, at 2.7 ypc inside 20 and 1.9 ypc inside the 10... with 11 TDs that put him top 10. in 2018 again inside the 20 he was 2.5 ypc, inside the 10 only 34 yards for 1.5 YPC and total of 5 TDs....

so the redzone struggles are more than passing game and Dak, its also zeke and I think it goes back to coaching, scheme and play calls in that area of the field, where Garrett and Linehan infamously sucked at it and Moore really hasn't been better.

"Dak Basher" ? If you have to call me that...whatever. I have never worshipped at the alter for sure. I damn sure don't care for his passing accuracy and I don't like the OC for this team. I would prefer a smash mouth style of offense with a QB that can complete a pass in a tight window to a receiver that is well covered, but the ship has sailed on that dream with this crew (Owner, Pres, GM and HC) (oh wait, all the same guy)!!!

My point was/is that this team fails to score TD way too often when in the red zone and even though the QB may have a decent completion percentage inside said redzone, how many of those are for TDs and how many are dinky dunky to the TE or RB for less than TD? So when comparing Comp % between Dak and RW and TB12, give all the #s involved. I'll be honest, I don't have those #s and I am not going to look them up because I don't think I have to. I believe I already know.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

"Dak Basher" ? If you have to call me that...whatever. I have never worshipped at the alter for sure. I damn sure don't care for his passing accuracy and I don't like the OC for this team. I would prefer a smash mouth style of offense with a QB that can complete a pass in a tight window to a receiver that is well covered, but the ship has sailed on that dream with this crew (Owner, Pres, GM and HC) (oh wait, all the same guy)!!!

My point was/is that this team fails to score TD way too often when in the red zone and even though the QB may have a decent completion percentage inside said redzone, how many of those are for TDs and how many are dinky dunky to the TE or RB for less than TD? So when comparing Comp % between Dak and RW and TB12, give all the #s involved. I'll be honest, I don't have those #s and I am not going to look them up because I don't think I have to. I believe I already know.

you may have never worshiped, but you were not impartial. you want to bash and blame and that in itself is also the other side of worshipping at the altar......both are bad...

he is one of the most accurate QBs....you don't think that...that's your opinion, but facts...actual facts say otherwise...

you don't like the OC...neither do I...

and you like smash mouth football, then perhaps rewatch the 90s and 80s era games...the rules of the NFL changed, to allow more passing, to provide more big plays and to create more scores....times have changed.....and so have the offenses..... and Dak as I have provided actual facts and numbers is accuate as any of them, but you have a biased colored glasses looking to find faults than see reality...that's your choice.

and I agree, we don't score TDs in the redzone...Zeke is very bad in the redzone....Moore is down right stupid at times in the redzone. and as mentioned Russell Wilson had 49% completion rate inside the redzone. dak 52% and brady 54% in 2019.... your biased perception is not reality.

and I gave you all the numbers involved for inside the 20....

there are also numbers for outside the 20....

you choose to ignore and focus on 2 or 3 plays that's your choice.

tell me the missed TD at the 2 against Tampa was Dak's fault...go ahead. tell me.

 

[USArmyVet]

Doesn’t matter from where he threw 3 tds. All that matters is that he threw 3 tds. Unless you’re just a hater.

Captain Positive, thanks for the....oh wait, back to hating again I see.

Well, Winston threw 5 TD's so he must be light years ahead of Dak.

 

[KJJ]

I was just watching ESPN and in Dak’s last 16 starts he’s had it has been nearly 2 ENTIRE seasons since Dak has thrown under 300 passing yards or had less than 3 touchdowns.


Could he win MVP this year?

Could definitely be an MVP year IF we make the playoffs. A QBs play has to lead to wins to be a league MVP. A successful season is a must. Health permitting he’ll definitely have the numbers it’s going to come down to whether he has enough wins. League MVPs carry their football teams and Dak definitely carries the Cowboys.

 

[OldJarhead]

you may have never worshiped, but you were not impartial. you want to bash and blame and that in itself is also the other side of worshipping at the altar......both are bad...

he is one of the most accurate QBs....you don't think that...that's your opinion, but facts...actual facts say otherwise...

you don't like the OC...neither do I...

and you like smash mouth football, then perhaps rewatch the 90s and 80s era games...the rules of the NFL changed, to allow more passing, to provide more big plays and to create more scores....times have changed.....and so have the offenses..... and Dak as I have provided actual facts and numbers is accuate as any of them, but you have a biased colored glasses looking to find faults than see reality...that's your choice.

and I agree, we don't score TDs in the redzone...Zeke is very bad in the redzone....Moore is down right stupid at times in the redzone. and as mentioned Russell Wilson had 49% completion rate inside the redzone. dak 52% and brady 54% in 2019.... your biased perception is not reality.

and I gave you all the numbers involved for inside the 20....

there are also numbers for outside the 20....

you choose to ignore and focus on 2 or 3 plays that's your choice.

tell me the missed TD at the 2 against Tampa was Dak's fault...go ahead. tell me.

You are totally missing my point, but I would guess you don't care.

 

[Rockport]

You are totally missing my point, but I would guess you don't care.

No one cares.

 

[plasticman]

Dak was the 3rd team QB at the beginning of the 2016 training camp.

Now, the former 1st string quarterback going into 2016 describes Dak's exploits for fans watching TV. Not only that, but the former 2nd string quarterback going into 2016 actually designs the plays that feature Dak's exploits.

A little weird?

 

[black label]

 

[RonWashington]

I was just watching ESPN and in Dak’s last 16 starts he’s had it has been nearly 2 ENTIRE seasons since Dak has thrown under 300 passing yards or had less than 3 touchdowns.


Could he win MVP this year?

Dak is wasted if the D less then 2 mins can’t be counted on to hold a lead. Did we settle for FG’s did Zuerlein miss an extra point and a gimme FG sure but Dak and that offense put up 29 on the road against a top tier D .

 

[jnday]

I have never said wins/losses are on the QB and QB only. you can't find a post from me to have said that (but don't take any comments out of context of the debate in the thread)......but my question simply was everyone and all the dak bashers keep saying HIS record and they keep associating the record with him...(and all of them dismiss 2016 and credit Zeke and OL).....so I ask a very direct question, which should have a very simple yes/no answer and none of these guys ever responds (will you?)....it seems they just want to post a troll response and don't really believe what they say. if you believe what you say then stand behind it, wrong or right and if you are wrong, then you admit you are wrong, like a man or a leader would do...

and to your point, every win and all the success for dak has been attributed to Zeke, OL, WRs.....never Dak and they even credit a rookie OC devising game plans around Dak's weaknesses.......its pathetic...and it seems like you are doing the same...in a passive aggressive manner....

I always always always believe that the team bears responsibility....coaches on down...wins and losses are on the coaches......they manage the offense, defense, special teams....they are responsible for the whole. Dak is responsible for the offense and because he is the QB he bears the most responsibility (and credit) for offensive success/failure

so why is it when we win, no one credits Dak? never have I seen any of the dak bashers and perhaps you included to give credit to Dak.....its always finding fault with a throw here and throw there and even if we score 35, its about the opportunities missed....why is it Dak bashers like yourself expect perfection on every throw, every pass, every series, every down, every quarter, every half, every game.....and even then they are not satisfied.


btw, to your last comment..... the failure in the last series squarely falls on MC and Moore...they didn't manage it properly. furthermore, it falls on CD and Zeke, the stupid idiots who went out of bounds and stopped the clock and left too much time for Brady to make a comeback....stupid players. stupid plays, lead to losses.

If you go back and look , Dallas was winning more games when Zeke was the focus of the offense. Dak was throwing for 200 yards a game and playing the part as a bus driver, but the team was winning, which is the only stat that matters to me. I was wrong to think that the team would win more games if Dak has more yards passing. I was wrong and the number of wins started declining as Dak started passing for more yardage. I have stated numerous times that Dak played a good game against the Bucs. Those comments are easy to find. I have no problem saying that. The Cowboys lost, and I don’t blame Dak for all of it. From all of these comments from the Dak lovers, you would have thought that he had led them to a Super Bowl win. All of these comments about Dak proving everybody wrong was comical. Dallas lost. His stats didn’t prove anything. There was some posters that was giddy after the Bucs game which was ridiculous, Dallas lost. The Dak lovers are quick to say how Dak won this game or that game, as rare as that may be, but it is always somebody else that was the reason for losing. They can’t have it both ways. There is a large portion of Dak fans that puts Dak and his stats above above their fandom of the team. I don’t know if you fall into this crowd. I really don’t keep up with who posts what unless something really outrageous is posted. The most pathetic thing about the Dak crowd is that the Bucs game was some kind of moral victory. There was nothing to celebrate or proving anybody wrong when they lost a very winnable game to last year’s Super Bowl winners that played a very sloppy game. Maybe things are different these days compared to the days when I played and coached. If we lost, there was no celebrating at all. Again, I don’t know if this applies to you, but it does apply to a lot of posters here.

 

[IslandCowboy]

I'm a big Dak fan, but how many wins does he have in those last 16 starts? At the end of the day, that's all that matters. I agree that wins are a team stat, but at the end of the day if we are going to start calling Dak "elite" he should be able to overcome some of the weaknesses on our team and pull out some wins.

 

[CowboyFrog]

I'm a big Dak fan, but how many wins does he have in those last 16 starts? At the end of the day, that's all that matters. I agree that wins are a team stat, but at the end of the day if we are going to start calling Dak "elite" he should be able to overcome some of the weaknesses on our team and pull out some wins.

The problem is no QB can pull teams out of 30+ a game from the defense....Sure we can run the ball and play field position and try and keep the D offf the field...there is problem though..that kind of offense actually leads to less margin for error....the first time a run play gets blown up your behind the chains...this happens 2 or 3 times and now your down 14 because the same defense comes out wether you throw or pass the ball in your offensive series. Do I want to see more runs/ Screens ..yes but not for that reason, I want to see it so we have real PA opps in the redzone.
If we try and establish a power run game last week we lose by 20....

 

[Fontaine]

Dak is elite.

He’s now top 5.

1. Brady
2. Mahomes
3. Rodgers
4. Allen
5. Dak
6. Wilson

Dak is by far the best QB in our division, so it would be a fireable offense for Big Mike if we don’t win the East.

Personally, I put Dak over Allen and after last weeks performance he’ll be ahead of Rodgers soon as well. I’m not so sure about Wilson being below him however.