McCarthy over Moore in 2022

[CalPolyTechnique]

I understand everyone's excited about the offense and the hot shot coordinator but I just can't get on board with the way too popular idea of making Kellen Moore the head coach next year.

I think that's a terrible idea. This team is a legit contender. There's no reason why they won't be a contender next year. The last thing they need is a rookie head coach in training leading them when they can win titles.

Moore may turn out to be a great head coach some day. I have no idea. Neither does anyone else including the team that eventually gives him that position but he's not the right guy for this team right now.

He may not excite you but you know what you have in McCarthy. An experienced head coach who knows how to lead a team deep into the playoffs. This is the right fit for a team ready to win now.

That would mean we probably lose Moore in the offseason and that's fine. Find another. He didn't reinvent the wheel here.

Disagree on this one.

McCarthy’s coaching staff deserves the lion’s share of the praise for preparation. Moore is hitting his stride as a coordinator and has continuity with Dak and the primary personnel on offense.

Let’s not forget McCarthy is the genius that hired his buddy Mike Nolan, a demonstrated failure as a coordinator throughout his career. Quinn is brought in and has helped galvanize the defense. That’s his role as a coordinator. He’s not running McCarthy’s defensive scheme nor is Moore running McCarthy’s offense.

McCarthy is there (as most head coaches are) for game management and oversight. Yet, we’ve seen him almost on a weekly basis now look like a complete amateur when faced with critical moments in real-time.

I would liken letting Moore walk to letting Sean Payton go in the mid-2000s. At least with that decision you had the rationale (right or wrong) of hanging your hopes with Bill Parcells.

McCarthy isn’t Parcells.

 

[charron]

All depends on how much Moore wants to be a HC. Is he willing to goto a S&*T show like the lions or jags just to be a HC or does he see the value in being patient and working with a plethora of talent on this team and creating a multi year name for himself as one of the best OC's in football?

 

[Bobhaze]

I understand everyone's excited about the offense and the hot shot coordinator but I just can't get on board with the way too popular idea of making Kellen Moore the head coach next year.

I think that's a terrible idea. This team is a legit contender. There's no reason why they won't be a contender next year. The last thing they need is a rookie head coach in training leading them when they can win titles.

Moore may turn out to be a great head coach some day. I have no idea. Neither does anyone else including the team that eventually gives him that position but he's not the right guy for this team right now.

He may not excite you but you know what you have in McCarthy. An experienced head coach who knows how to lead a team deep into the playoffs. This is the right fit for a team ready to win now.

That would mean we probably lose Moore in the offseason and that's fine. Find another. He didn't reinvent the wheel here.

Well said. Gotta love Kellen Moore’s work so far this year. But the people proclaiming him as HC material over McCarthy is premature.

Moore is going to need this team to have a deep playoff run added to his resume before he’s at the front of the HC line for NFL OCs. Eric Bienemy of KC has a ring and two AFC championships and he’s probably at the head of the HC line of OCs right now. New Orleans OC Pete Carmichael has a ring and a ton of playoff wins also. Kellen Moore is a hot property right now, but too many Cowboys fans don’t have the context of the rest of the league.

 

[nightrain]

yup like the playbook and layers would go with him..this is a perfect storm of a creative OC seasoned offensive HC, and some of the best players on offense a coach could dream of..

Why would anyone want to preemptively mess with that? Oh, yea, inexperienced fandomitis.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

I understand everyone's excited about the offense and the hot shot coordinator but I just can't get on board with the way too popular idea of making Kellen Moore the head coach next year.

I think that's a terrible idea. This team is a legit contender. There's no reason why they won't be a contender next year. The last thing they need is a rookie head coach in training leading them when they can win titles.

Moore may turn out to be a great head coach some day. I have no idea. Neither does anyone else including the team that eventually gives him that position but he's not the right guy for this team right now.

He may not excite you but you know what you have in McCarthy. An experienced head coach who knows how to lead a team deep into the playoffs. This is the right fit for a team ready to win now.

That would mean we probably lose Moore in the offseason and that's fine. Find another. He didn't reinvent the wheel here.

I don't always agree with some of your posts but you nailed here......

 

[MMObserver]

As a non-Cowboy fan but longtime Mike McCarthy observer, I think the Cowboys may just have found MM's coaching sweet spot.

With Moore in charge of the offense, and Jerry and the front office stepping in and firing Mike's buddy Nolan as DC and replacing him with a competent DC in Quinn the coaching pieces are in place at the coordinator level.

You give MM perhaps the worst competition among the 8 divisions in the NFL, a top 5 (top 3?) QB, a good offensive Line (save for one very notable exception), 2 very good RBs, a great set of WRs and competent TEs, perhaps the NFL defensive player of the year in #7, a talented stud rookie who plays all over the place, and that may, just may, be enough for MM to maximize his squad's regular season win total. MM's greatest attribute as a coach is realized under these circumstances.

Now, as for MM's maddening failure to make appropriate in-game decisions and bewildering inability to learn from his prior coaching errors, well that is who he is and has always been.

 

[Point-of-the-Star]

I understand everyone's excited about the offense and the hot shot coordinator but I just can't get on board with the way too popular idea of making Kellen Moore the head coach next year.

I think that's a terrible idea. This team is a legit contender. There's no reason why they won't be a contender next year. The last thing they need is a rookie head coach in training leading them when they can win titles.

Moore may turn out to be a great head coach some day. I have no idea. Neither does anyone else including the team that eventually gives him that position but he's not the right guy for this team right now.

He may not excite you but you know what you have in McCarthy. An experienced head coach who knows how to lead a team deep into the playoffs. This is the right fit for a team ready to win now.

That would mean we probably lose Moore in the offseason and that's fine. Find another. He didn't reinvent the wheel here.

I posted this on another forum:

"I am proud of this team who won despite some untimely flags and a lot of them. Also some coaching decisions that put a monkey on their collective backs. Play calling on the goal line, 4th down try on the 1st series were head scratchers. Lotta meat left on that bone.

But despite what I mentioned above Fat Mac deserves credit that under his head coaching tenure the Cowboys have become a hard team . The culture is changed. Several times our Cowboys had a chance to lay down and be soft, screw up, quit, and it didn't happen. Mike McCarthy has changed this. Our old Cowboys would not have snatched victory from the jaws of defeat.

This should be celebrated by Cowboy fans.

Yes, there are things that need work, improvements to be made, but for today and this week I'm celebrating these new Cowboys."

 

[rags]

I understand everyone's excited about the offense and the hot shot coordinator but I just can't get on board with the way too popular idea of making Kellen Moore the head coach next year.

I think that's a terrible idea. This team is a legit contender. There's no reason why they won't be a contender next year. The last thing they need is a rookie head coach in training leading them when they can win titles.

Moore may turn out to be a great head coach some day. I have no idea. Neither does anyone else including the team that eventually gives him that position but he's not the right guy for this team right now.

He may not excite you but you know what you have in McCarthy. An experienced head coach who knows how to lead a team deep into the playoffs. This is the right fit for a team ready to win now.

That would mean we probably lose Moore in the offseason and that's fine. Find another. He didn't reinvent the wheel here.

The Apocalypse is upon us. I'm agreeing with Risen Star. LOL!

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Jerry isn't firing MM if Dallas keeps playing well.

If Urban Meyer gets the boot, Moore could end up in Jacksonville.

No owner in his right mind would.........this is nothing more than fan driven fairy tale .....lol

 

[blueblood70]

Why would anyone want to preemptively mess with that? Oh, yea, inexperienced fandomitis.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I understand everyone's excited about the offense and the hot shot coordinator but I just can't get on board with the way too popular idea of making Kellen Moore the head coach next year.

I think that's a terrible idea. This team is a legit contender. There's no reason why they won't be a contender next year. The last thing they need is a rookie head coach in training leading them when they can win titles.

Moore may turn out to be a great head coach some day. I have no idea. Neither does anyone else including the team that eventually gives him that position but he's not the right guy for this team right now.

He may not excite you but you know what you have in McCarthy. An experienced head coach who knows how to lead a team deep into the playoffs. This is the right fit for a team ready to win now.

That would mean we probably lose Moore in the offseason and that's fine. Find another. He didn't reinvent the wheel here.

Great post and i completely agree. Most on here won't give McCarthy credit but he is the biggest reason the Cowboys are playing so well. His preparation really shows and Moore has been here for years as a coach and player and didn't have the offense playing at this level.

 

[Easyout66]

It's McClay other teams want, not Moore

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I understand everyone's excited about the offense and the hot shot coordinator but I just can't get on board with the way too popular idea of making Kellen Moore the head coach next year.

I think that's a terrible idea. This team is a legit contender. There's no reason why they won't be a contender next year. The last thing they need is a rookie head coach in training leading them when they can win titles.

Moore may turn out to be a great head coach some day. I have no idea. Neither does anyone else including the team that eventually gives him that position but he's not the right guy for this team right now.

He may not excite you but you know what you have in McCarthy. An experienced head coach who knows how to lead a team deep into the playoffs. This is the right fit for a team ready to win now.

That would mean we probably lose Moore in the offseason and that's fine. Find another. He didn't reinvent the wheel here.

very true....its us being caught in a rock and a hard place. we lost payton to NO, because Parcells was here and having some success......so if Moore leaves and in a few years has success we will be regretful. but you make a great point. no rookie HC ever made it to the superbowl..... you have to take your lumps in the NFL.....its the way it is and not changing anytime soon. so if we have a 3-4 year window of opportunity do we waste a couple of them in getting a rookie head coach ready.....

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I guess going for it on your own 30 on the first drive of the game on the road against an inferior team is the way to go deep into the playoffs.

I'm fine with how he has gotten the team ready to play, but if he doesn't wise up he is going to cost them eventually.

I actually like that call. You have seen it all year and i like being aggressive in hostile territory and give your offense more confidence. Plus this isn't Garrett's offense that goes stagnant at times. Even if they don't make it and go down 7, this offense can score at will..... almost

 

[Zman5]

Norv was a considered a offensive genius when he was with us. We all know how he did as a HC. Moore could turn out to be a good HC but when you have a good roster, you don't need to gamble on an unknown.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Something else I think is overlooked a bit.......how many we heard Garrett was nothing but Jerry's puppet. MM is an alpha with some serious skin on the wall. I don't he's at all afraid to stand up to Jerry. Do you honestly see that in Kellen Moore? I don't .....see him closer to Garrett type than MM.

 

[camaro69]

Always thought it was silly to believe another good oc wouldn't have similar success with all the talent this offense has.

Just a Question
Do you trust Mike to bring in the right OC, This is the guy who hired Mike Nolan because of his love of the 3-4 and Nolan is a friend
I don't know this for sure but I think Jerry & Steven hired Quinn

 

[lspain1]

I'll take luck over talent any day.

Yeah, we're winning right now, but McCarthy is still a weak link. I mean, there's a reason that he is blasted every week in the media.

I liked your comment...but it was really only the second part. The Cowboys are winning and attitude matters so McCarthy gets some credit for that. Assuming the Cowboys make it to the playoffs (and that should happen unless we get a catastrophe), I think McCarthy's game management skills could cost us badly against top level competition. I'm not sure I am ready to climb on the "replace him" bandwagon, but it is a concern. It is good to be in a position where the media is fawning over the Cowboys again.

 

[Idgit]

It’s a situation where there may be no optimal option. McCarthy isn’t winning a championship next year without a top-shelf OC. I’m not sure one would be available. If one isn’t, you’re letting a special offensive coach go to keep a competent retread in place. Fast forward two years and that’s going to look like a really bad decision if Moore makes the transition to HC. It’d be a redux of letting Sean Payton go with Parcels contemplating retirement again.

This offense runs through Dak and Moore. We can find another guy to make the wrong call in short yardage situations for us.

 

[Denim Chicken]

I tend to agree that Moore is not ready to be an HC (he's just 5 years removed from being out back-up QB). There are some coordinators that are just good coordinators and should not look for the additional responsibilities that comes with HC. Quinn is a good example & I believe Moore is as well.

That said, there are not a lot of HC jobs available, so it's hard to turn one down if you have an opportunity. Just remember that we also heard all of this about Kris Richard & look how that worked out.