The "Great" Pete Carrol

[Reid1boys]

Another coach that has been said to be great is getting a lesson on life in the NFL when you have no super star QB. Right on que, this team is atrocious and wth were the Seahawks doing run, run, run? Well, I guess when Geno is the QB, what else you gonna do.

Remember everyone always wanting to bash the Cowboys for having no "Plan," when Romo and Dak went down?? Well guess what, its the same for basically every team in the NFL when the starter goes down.
The great Pete..... not so great.

Now do not misunderstand the point im making. He is a good NFL coach, but he quickly becomes a horrible NFL coach when he is forced to play with the same sorry QB play that plagues most of the coaches in the NFL that get fired.

 

[RaZon]

Where would Vince Lombardi be without NINE Hall of Famers he had on those 60's Packers teams? Where would Chuck Noll be without his NINE Hall of Famers he had in the 70's? Where is Bill Walsh with no Joe Montana? Who was that great head coach without a great team around him?

Pete Carroll knows how to coach that is why he owns an NCAA Championship and an NFL Championship. Yes, you aren't winning with Geno Smith at QB, not George Halas, not Paul Brown,,,,

 

[Flamma]

Where would Vince Lombardi be without NINE Hall of Famers he had on those 60's Packers teams? Where would Chuck Noll be without his NINE Hall of Famers he had in the 70's? Where is Bill Walsh with no Joe Montana? Who was that great head coach without a great team around him?

Pete Carroll knows how to coach that is why he owns an NCAA Championship and an NFL Championship. Yes, you aren't winning with Geno Smith at QB, not George Halas, not Paul Brown,,,,

Only Jesus Christ is winning with Geno at QB. And that's with tapping into all miracles. But let me play a little devil's advocate here. You have to admit, Geno is no longer the reckless turnover machine he used to be. It doesn't make him good, but much better than before. Then consider that garbage Seahawk offensive line. Wilson is having fits driving the team down the field. They usually score on long passes to Lockett and Metcalf. But sustained drives? Either Wilson is running for his life or plays are getting called back on holding. If Seattle doesn't address that OL it won't matter who plays QB. Yeah, Russel will pay superman and get them to the playoffs, but not deep.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Another coach that has been said to be great is getting a lesson on life in the NFL when you have no super star QB. Right on que, this team is atrocious and wth were the Seahawks doing run, run, run? Well, I guess when Geno is the QB, what else you gonna do.

Remember everyone always wanting to bash the Cowboys for having no "Plan," when Romo and Dak went down?? Well guess what, its the same for basically every team in the NFL when the starter goes down.
The great Pete..... not so great.

Now do not misunderstand the point im making. He is a good NFL coach, but he quickly becomes a horrible NFL coach when he is forced to play with the same sorry QB play that plagues most of the coaches in the NFL that get fired.

Do we have to go down this road every time a great coach finds himself with a roster neither he nor anyone else could win with? This is not a controversial point. We have chewed this topic ad nauseam on here. Its proven throughout the annals of NFL history that every HOF dynastic coach had a great QB. That goes from Lombardi to Belechek. You don't win in the NFL alone. If great players was all it took to win, Jason Garret would have multiple super rings as a coach.

As a cowboy fan, you should be familiar with Tom Landry and the end of his era. Age didn't do him in. He found himself without a QB in the mid 80's and everyone just assumed he was washed up. If Danny White had been healthy, we might never have met Jimmy Johnson.

 

[JustChip]

Do we have to go down this road every time a great coach finds himself with a roster neither he nor anyone else could win with? This is not a controversial point. We have chewed this topic ad nauseam on here. Its proven throughout the annals of NFL history that every HOF dynastic coach had a great QB. That goes from Lombardi to Belechek. You don't win in the NFL alone. If great players was all it took to win, Jason Garret would have multiple super rings as a coach.

As a cowboy fan, you should be familiar with Tom Landry and the end of his era. Age didn't do him in. He found himself without a QB in the mid 80's and everyone just assumed he was washed up. If Danny White had been healthy, we might never have met Jimmy Johnson.

It would’ve been real interesting to see what Tom would’ve done with Troy. Troy certainly wouldn’t have started his rookie year. And his career likely would’ve lasted longer because he was beat like a big bass drum his 1st 2 years.

 

[atlantacowboy]

It would’ve been real interesting to see what Tom would’ve done with Troy. Troy certainly wouldn’t have started his rookie year. And his career likely would’ve lasted longer because he was beat like a big bass drum his 1st 2 years.

The problem was the scouting department. They just sucked from '78-87' drafting very few impact players and missing on 7 out 9 first round picks.. I think Landry could have eventually rebuilt the cowboys with Troy, but they needed a much better scouting department. Jimmy Johnson was the right man at the right time. It was tough building a team quickly back in 1989 b/c free agency didn't exist in the way it does today.

I blame Jerry for Troy's shortened career. He never spent a first round pick on OL to protect Troy.

 

[visionary]

Another coach that has been said to be great is getting a lesson on life in the NFL when you have no super star QB. Right on que, this team is atrocious and wth were the Seahawks doing run, run, run? Well, I guess when Geno is the QB, what else you gonna do.

Remember everyone always wanting to bash the Cowboys for having no "Plan," when Romo and Dak went down?? Well guess what, its the same for basically every team in the NFL when the starter goes down.
The great Pete..... not so great.

Now do not misunderstand the point im making. He is a good NFL coach, but he quickly becomes a horrible NFL coach when he is forced to play with the same sorry QB play that plagues most of the coaches in the NFL that get fired.

Yep, the coach who has been to 2 SBs and won one and has had his team in the playoffs regularly is not great

signed,

Idiot Cowboys fans who slurped Garrett’s jock for year

 

[terra]

The problem was the scouting department. They just sucked from '78-87' drafting very few impact players and missing on 7 out 9 first round picks.. I think Landry could have eventually rebuilt the cowboys with Troy, but they needed a much better scouting department. Jimmy Johnson was the right man at the right time. It was tough building a team quickly back in 1989 b/c free agency didn't exist in the way it does today.

I blame Jerry for Troy's shortened career. He never spent a first round pick on OL to protect Troy.

And Bum Bright cut Landry's scouting department and what he could spend for assistant coaches.

 

[terra]

Where would Vince Lombardi be without NINE Hall of Famers he had on those 60's Packers teams? Where would Chuck Noll be without his NINE Hall of Famers he had in the 70's? Where is Bill Walsh with no Joe Montana? Who was that great head coach without a great team around him?

Pete Carroll knows how to coach that is why he owns an NCAA Championship and an NFL Championship. Yes, you aren't winning with Geno Smith at QB, not George Halas, not Paul Brown,,,,

Well to speak well of the devil Joe Gibbs won 3 SBs with what could generously be called average QBs.

 

[joseephuss]

Bill Belichick got to the playoffs and won a playoff game with Vinny Testeverde as his QB. That says everything you need to know about his coaching abilities.

 

[Reid1boys]

Bill Belichick got to the playoffs and won a playoff game with Vinny Testeverde as his QB. That says everything you need to know about his coaching abilities.

Yep, the coach who has been to 2 SBs and won one and has had his team in the playoffs regularly is not great

signed,

Idiot Cowboys fans who slurped Garrett’s jock for year

The coach that had one of the greatest defense in recent memory with a star QB?? Yea. How many other coaches could have done the same? Lane Kiffin could have done the same.

As soon as those super coaches dont have an all time great defense and star qb, they are an avg coach. Thats the same for every coach in the NFL, EVER SINGLE ONE POF THEM, including everybody's hero, Billy Boy.

Just tells me they are all good, nobody is a boy genius as proclaimed on these boards.
Billy about to miss his second straight year of playoffs.

 

[RonWashington]

It’s funny how Sean Payton and Pete Carroll both thought of highly in the NFL may both go out with one SB win each after coaching a lot of years. Same with Andy Reid . All three are very good at what they do. In the short period Jimmy coached Dallas & Miami he’s got 2 rings .

Who knows Big Mke is not in a bad position to grab his second. After the sour ending in GB he’s got the plum job in the league as far as facilities & support of ownership .

 

[atlantacowboy]

And Bum Bright cut Landry's scouting department and what he could spend for assistant coaches.

True but it doesn't explain decisions to pass on guys like Joe Montana. Or, draft Jim Jeffcoat over Dan Marino. Sure they could have had better scouting but a lot of the problems boiled down to just picking the wrong players in round 1 in particular where it should be harder to make errors.

 

[terra]

True but it doesn't explain decisions to pass on guys like Joe Montana. Or, draft Jim Jeffcoat over Dan Marino. Sure they could have had better scouting but a lot of the problems boiled down to just picking the wrong players in round 1 in particular where it should be harder to make errors.

Every team in the NFL passed on Montana the first two rounds. We had Danny White as the heir apparent. Same when we passed on Marino. It looks bad now but no one at the time thought it was a massive mistake and thus hindsight is a stupid reason, The real problem was that we had locked in on physical measurements as a prime qualifier or disqualifier. Montana was thought to be too fragile and not have a strong enough arm. Marino did not have a great year in his senior season if I recall correctly. To me the real mistake was passing on Mike Singletary because he was one half inch under their minimum height for a LB.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Every team in the NFL passed on Montana the first two rounds. We had Danny White as the heir apparent. Same when we passed on Marino. It looks bad now but no one at the time thought it was a massive mistake and thus hindsight is a stupid reason, The real problem was that we had locked in on physical measurements as a prime qualifier or disqualifier. Montana was thought to be too fragile and not have a strong enough arm. Marino did not have a great year in his senior season if I recall correctly. To me the real mistake was passing on Mike Singletary because he was one half inch under their minimum height for a LB.

Singletary is another one. Montana was actually the next guy up on our board and Landry decided to pass on him b/c he had Staubach and Danny White. Ok fine. But in 1983, Danny White was 31 years old. Grooming Marino made a lot of sense. Darrell Green was the guy taken after Marino. So, that would have been another great pick and these guys were taken 4 and 5 slots after Jeffcoat.

I get one or 2 years of poor drafting, but they actually went 8-9 drafts with nothing but misses and that's what unravelled Landry's dynasty.

 

[JustChip]

The problem was the scouting department. They just sucked from '78-87' drafting very few impact players and missing on 7 out 9 first round picks.. I think Landry could have eventually rebuilt the cowboys with Troy, but they needed a much better scouting department. Jimmy Johnson was the right man at the right time. It was tough building a team quickly back in 1989 b/c free agency didn't exist in the way it does today.

I blame Jerry for Troy's shortened career. He never spent a first round pick on OL to protect Troy.

I question whether he could’ve. Landry valued experience and probably wouldn’t have made the same changes that Jimmy did, most especially the Herschel trade. And I doubt the received haul would’ve been as great had he made the trade. I think part of what made that trade was the Vikings’ perception of Jimmy as a college coach that just fell off the NFL turnip truck and underestimated Jimmy.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I question whether he could’ve. Landry valued experience and probably wouldn’t have made the same changes that Jimmy did, most especially the Herschel trade. And I doubt the received haul would’ve been as great had he made the trade. I think part of what made that trade was the Vikings’ perception of Jimmy as a college coach that just fell off the NFL turnip truck and underestimated Jimmy.

I agree. I don't think Landry could have won back to back Super Bowls. I think if he had been given a better scouting department he could have rebuilt the team to super bowl contender status in time with Troy. But what Jimmy Johnson did was so out of the box in regard to the Walker trade that I doubt Landry could have got the team to the level Jimmy Johnson did. Jimmy was really the first guy who valued draft picks over veterans which is how he duped the Vikings GM Mike Lynn. If you recall, we got a cache' of veterans from the Vikings and each had a draft pick attached to him in the event they couldn't make the roster. Mike Lynn never dreamed Jimmy's plan was to cut all of them and take the draft picks.

With all those draft picks and Jimmy's intimate knowledge of college talent and motivational ability, it was a perfect fit for rebuilding a team quickly. The proverbial lightening in a bottle.

 

[Reid1boys]

Pow... just like that, the Cards and Bengals have stud young coaches. Strangely right at the exact moment they got young stud QBs. Its a good thing management was smart enough to hire these truly superior coaches.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Pow... just like that, the Cards and Bengals have stud young coaches. Strangely right at the exact moment they got young stud QBs. Its a good thing management was smart enough to hire these truly superior coaches.

Any chance you can highjack another thread with this garbage?

 

[Reid1boys]

Any chance you can highjack another thread with this garbage?

Hijack? I started this thread, and I guess you cant figure out the point of this thread wasnt really about Pete Carrol. My "Garbage," on the Cardinals and Bengals falls right in line with what this thread is about. I will continue to post as I see fit, data that absolutely backs up the point Ive been making for a very long time. You certainly can just skip over the "Garbage." It isnt hard.

And why are you posting about Landry and the Cowboys scouting department back in the 70s? Talk about hijacking a thread.