***Mega Merge Dak is not a elite QB thread***

[Zman5]

I should believe you over what Jerry and the media, and folks in the know reported, that Garrett got play calling revoked.. OK

You do you. I'll believe what I see on the field. Jerry also said Campo was a great coach. I guess you believe that too.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

So is Pat Mahomes not a franchise QB either?

Good point. Mahomes didn't play great either.

 

[khiladi]

You do you. I'll believe what I see on the field. Jerry also said Campo was a great coach. I guess you believe that too.

Yeah, because Dak using play action MORE in half a season from the moment he stepped on the field here, going from bottom of the league with Garrett, to top 3 in the league sure demonstrates your point “on the field”…. The fact that the OC completely eliminated the 5-7 step for Dak, which was the staple for Romo here when Garrett was coach, sure showed Garrett was in control of the play calling “on the field”…

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

You can’t carry on a conversation with the Dak homers. They’ll still be defending him 10 years in when we haven’t won squat!

Like Romo fans have defended Romo after 10 seasons of not winning squat?

 

[Shadowfax]

sorry this is not just a reaction to this game i have said it from a long time ago and i think my reason is correct so please respond to my reason and not just the title.

i believe a franchise qb have to be able to elevate the play of every one around him and dak does not do that at all. he is 100% relyant on every thing around him being perfect and all of the odd stacked in his favor.

here is the newsflash and scary thing. it will not get any better. it will get worse and harder now that dak will eat a huge chunk of cap. dak will have to be the one to do the heavy lifting and he have shown ZERO ability to do that.

that is my point and worry with dak....am i wrong? a franchise qb HAVE to be able to elevate every one around him and dak is the opposite.

Did you say the same thing about Patrick Mahomes when the Bucs tore him up in the Super Bowl? That is what Dak faced today. I was impressed how he stayed calm and focused on his receivers despite all the pressure.

Dak is a great QB when given just a bit of time and receivers that are getting open and catching the ball. In my opinion, everyone should be able to see that.

 

[Zman5]

Yeah, because Dak using more play action MORE in one half of his first season of 2016, going from bottom of the league with Garrett, to top 3 in the league sure demonstrates your point “on the field”…

Anyone who knows little basic football would know Dak being a rookie and having Zeke had more to do with that than JG having no say on offense. But then again, you would rather believe what Jerry tells you. I guess you also thought Quinthy Carter was another Michal Vick since that's what Jerry was saying back then.

 

[khiladi]

Anyone who knows little basic football would know Dak being a rookie and having Zeke had more to do with that than JG having no say on offense. But then again, you would rather believe what Jerry tells you. I guess you also thought Quinthy Carter was another Michal Vick since that's what Jerry was saying back then.

Did I say just a rookie? I said throughout his career here and the 5-7 step had been eliminated for Dak, so basically you got no evidence, other than “Zeke having more to do with that” as if that doesn’t also prove the point, that the OC actually adjusted with Zeke, meaning it clearly wasn’t Garrett adjusting,,

Again, Jason Garrett was consistently bottom of the league in play action usage, including with the Giants as well.

 

[Daillest88]

sorry this is not just a reaction to this game i have said it from a long time ago and i think my reason is correct so please respond to my reason and not just the title.

i believe a franchise qb have to be able to elevate the play of every one around him and dak does not do that at all. he is 100% relyant on every thing around him being perfect and all of the odd stacked in his favor.

here is the newsflash and scary thing. it will not get any better. it will get worse and harder now that dak will eat a huge chunk of cap. dak will have to be the one to do the heavy lifting and he have shown ZERO ability to do that.

that is my point and worry with dak....am i wrong? a franchise qb HAVE to be able to elevate every one around him and dak is the opposite.

I wouldn’t say that. I said he’s not elite but he’s a damn good Quarterback. This is just so frustrating

 

[PAPPYDOG]

This is Dak's Twitter page.

https://twitter.com/dak

Is this dude a QB or an advertising guru?

 

[khiladi]

You do you. I'll believe what I see on the field. Jerry also said Campo was a great coach. I guess you believe that too.

Jerry also signed Dak to this inflated contract with a no trade clause.. he also allowed Dak to start over Romo wasting a talented roster on this average QB. he also hired Garrett. Yes, we know, Jerry does many dumb things.

 

[Sarge]

Exactly……

 

[Zman5]

Did I say just a rookie? I said throughout his career here and the 5-7 step had been eliminated for Dak, so basically you got no evidence, other than “Zeke having more to do with that” as if that doesn’t also prove the point, that the OC actually adjusted with Zeke, meaning it clearly wasn’t Garrett adjusting,,

This is what you posted. Last time I checked, Dak was a rookie in 2016.

Yeah, because Dak using more play action MORE in one half of his first season of 2016, going from bottom of the league with Garrett, to top 3 in the league sure demonstrates your point “on the field”/QUOTE]

 

[Captain-Crash]

This is Dak's Twitter page.

https://twitter.com/dak

Is this dude a QB or an advertising guru?

he's a money-hungry guy who puts winning down the list.

 

[Zman5]

Jerry also signed Dak to this inflated contract with a no trade clause.. he also allowed Dak to start over Romo wasting a talented roster on this average QB. he also hired Garrett. Yes, we know, Jerry does many dumb things.

Yet you believe everything he says. LOL.

 

[zeke21]

The thing I've never understood is the Dak love that has flowed since his rookie year. He comes in and takes over a fully primed offence. He has Romo and Sanchez (yeah I know.. butt fumble dude.. but he actually understood the game very weel) in his ear calling out the defence every week.. he has Dez and Witten and an O-Line giving him over 5 seconds on AVERAGE of pass protection and a hot, young RB that is literally hurdling defenders. He was asked to be a bus driver with a limited play book and keeping things 'tight'.. he EXCELS at this and the team is flying. At this point I, along with every cowboy fan, am just wondering how we got so lucky to have landed a Romo back up and perhaps secured our long term QB replacement. At this point, everything is primed for Romo to come back and take us to the SuperBowl.

Then.. the Dak love in begins to take a turn into believing he is the greatest QB to ever play, needs to 'ride the hot hand' and we need to keep our rookie in whilst our All-Pro, healthy, QB sits on the sidelines. Ummmmm what now? In a surprise to absolutely no one.. Dak ***** the bed when the pressure comes and we lose in the playoffs. However not before Dak has been anointed the chosen one. The script is now set.

Now we have Dak lovers or Dak haters and you can't be in between. You can't discuss his woeful footwork (hasn't improved much since college), you can't discuss his inaccuracy (a lovely permanent feature of mr. high and wide) and you certainly can't discuss his limitations. The media narrative that Dak is the "next big thing" is cemented and most will not deviate from this despite everything suggesting otherwise.

In 2017, Dak starts the season with Zeke and he flounders. It is not his fault because he is missing a RB and his WR. It is assumed it is just a second year glitch. Dak is still touted as the next big thing.. despite his interception rate increasing and him clearly struggling to read defences with Romo and Sanchez no longer on the sidelines.

In 2018, Dak struggles through a season beset by injuries to key players and misses long time safety blanket, Witten however the arrival of Cooper helps Dak to limp to a winning record. A solid first week play off win is Daks career highlight and potentially his best game under pressure. Even though the team is dispatched easily the week after with Dak playing a mare.. it is of course everyone elses fault and Dak is now widely regarded as a top 5 QB based on statistical analysis. Observers still note that he has woeful footwork, a weak arm, horrific accuracy and still struggles to read anything but the most basic of defences.

In 2019, Dak is given more tools on the outside and the playbook is expanded to suit his style. Witten is bought back to provide more security at the LOS and Dak is expected to step forward. Again he, and the team, struggle majorly with interceptions being a common occurrence. With Dak now approaching contract discussions, many media pundits wonder how much he is worth. Some analysts are finally seeing the gap between Dak's statistical play and actual output. The head coach is sacked and it is assumed that Dak is not the problem. Dak once again finishes as the QB of a highly rated and talent laden team outside the playoffs but with a reputation of greatness.

In 2020, Dak starts the season, along with the team, on fire. With a new coaching line up and a high flying offence of air attack.. defences are unprepared for the assault. Dak puts up some dizzying numbers yet the team still sits at 1-3 when Dak goes down with a season ending injury. The Dak love ensures that his reputation whilst sitting on the sidelines actually increases. The team finishes outside the playoffs and Daks reputation as a 'franchise' QB is entrenched.. despite his best season still being his rookie year.

In 2021, Dak signs a monster contract that many don't believe he deserves. He injures his calf and misses a game and upon his return has 2 shockers out of 3 to lead the team to a mid season wobble. Dak struggles to read defences, is inaccurate and has no footwork.

So despite the SAME flaws since his rookie year.. some still believe this guy in a franchise QB? He is an above average QB (yep.. happily will say that) but he is not elite and he is NOT a guy you pay 40M for. Bus driver at best and still has all the same flaws he had in his rookie year but now he is slower and the OLine has dropped off.

We are in big trouble moving forward when his contract actually starts to bite.

 

[Proof]

Yeah 5 sacks and 4 drops will help any QB be elite.

hey man, he said it wasn't based off this game. (or any of the others this year apparently)

 

[khiladi]

This is what you posted. Last time I checked, Dak was a rookie in 2016.

I actually modified it, before you responded:

Yeah, because Dak using play action MORE in half a season from the moment he stepped on the field here, going from bottom of the league with Garrett, to top 3 in the league sure demonstrates your point “on the field”…. The fact that the OC completely eliminated the 5-7 step for Dak, which was the staple for Romo here when Garrett was coach, sure showed Garrett was in control of the play calling “on the field”…

And even going by the first post, it still doesn’t change the point, because:

1. Dallas in 2016, became a top 3 play action team. And that actually continued for Dak for years. Garret on the other hand was bottom of the barrel in terms of play action.

2. Even in 2014, with Romo and Linehan, play action for Romo was at its most and Dak surpassed it in a half, meaning Linehan completely tailored the offense for Dak. This was Linehan, not Garrett and Garrett completely abandoned play action to 29th or so in the league when he was in full control of the offense here.

3. Linehan also eliminated the 5-7 step drop, which is a staple of the Coryell and the Garrett offense here as well.

4. You even said they did it because of Zeke, meaning you had no response, you looked for an excuse. But even that excuse actually supports my point, which is, they adjusted the offense around Zeke. Garrett even with the Giants sucked at running the ball and using play action.

 

[khiladi]

Yet you believe everything he says. LOL.

You also believe like Jerry, that Dak is worthy of 40 million a year and a no trade clause..

 

[Zman5]

I actually modified it, before you responded:



And even going by the first post, it still doesn’t change the point, because:

1. Dallas in 2016, became a top 3 play action team. And that actually continued for Dak for years. Garret on the other hand was bottom of the barrel in terms of play action.

2. Even in 2014, with Romo and Linehan, play action for Romo was at its most and Dak surpassed it in a half, meaning Linehan completely tailored the offense for Dak.

3. Linehan also eliminated the 5-7 step drop, which is a staple of the Coryell and the Garrett offense here as well.

4. You even said they did it because of Zeke, meaning you had no response, you looked for an excuse. But even that excuse actually supports my point, which is, they adjusted the offense around Zeke. Garrett even with the Giants sucked at running the ball and using play action.

Romo ran the offense and had fulll control over it even before 2014. Even if what you are saying without any proof is true, winning in the playoffs has more to do with HC controlling the whole team than just the offense. Anyone who played a team sport beyond junior high level knows this. Your assumption JG not having control over the offense is the reason he should not be responsible for the Cowboys' poor showing in the playoffs s ridiculous.

 

[rambo2]

sorry this is not just a reaction to this game i have said it from a long time ago and i think my reason is correct so please respond to my reason and not just the title.

i believe a franchise qb have to be able to elevate the play of every one around him and dak does not do that at all. he is 100% relyant on every thing around him being perfect and all of the odd stacked in his favor.

here is the newsflash and scary thing. it will not get any better. it will get worse and harder now that dak will eat a huge chunk of cap. dak will have to be the one to do the heavy lifting and he have shown ZERO ability to do that.

that is my point and worry with dak....am i wrong? a franchise qb HAVE to be able to elevate every one around him and dak is the opposite.

What if Cowboys go 14 and 3 or 13 and 4?